Let me go

TeddyTedson

I heard about the website count me out shortly after Xmas and have been checking on it every so often to leave the Catholic Church. But they aren't letting anyone defect right now. WTF! In soviet Russia it would be easier to defect.
How long are they going to hold us by our balls against our will?

orourkeda

TeddyTedson wrote: »

I heard about the website count me out shortly after Xmas and have been checking on it every so often to leave the Catholic Church. But they aren't letting anyone defect right now. WTF! In soviet Russia it would be easier to defect.
How long are they going to hold us by our balls against our will?

Just f*cking leave will you

TheZohanS

If this is another Maddie McCann joke you should be ashamed of yourself young man.

A s h a m e d.

KeithM89_old

TeddyTedson wrote: »

How long are they going to hold us by our balls and our willy?

FYP

TeddyTedson

This is what has happened

In April of this year, the Catholic Church modified the Code of Canon Law to remove all references to the act of formal defection, the process used by those who wish to formally renounce their membership of the Church.

Since then, the Catholic Church in Ireland has been reflecting on the implications of this change for those who wish to leave the Catholic Church. Despite our requests for clarification, the Church have yet to reach a firm position on how or whether they will continue to accept requests for the annotation of the baptismal register.

In recent weeks we have been contacted by an increasing number of people whose defections have not been processed, due to the limbo created by this canon law amendment.

Because of this uncertainty, we have taken the decision to suspend the creation of declarations of defection via CountMeOut.ie from today (12th October 2010).

In response to this, the Church in Ireland released the following statement to RTE News:

The Holy See confirmed at the end of August that it was introducing changes to Canon Law and as a result it will no longer be possible to formally defect from the Catholic Church. This will not alter the fact that many people can defect from the Church, and continue to do so, albeit not through a formal process. This is a change that will affect the Church throughout the world. The Archdiocese of Dublin plans to maintain a register to note the expressed desire of those who wish to defect. Details will be communicated to those involved in the process when they are finalised. Last year 229 people formally defected from the Church through the Archdiocese of Dublin. 312 have done so, so far this year.

Why has the Church made this change?


The first reference to the act of formal defection was introduced in the 1983 revision of the Code of Canon Law and was intended to create a special dispensation that absolved those who had defected from canon law pertaining to marriage. The Church considers canon law to hold for everyone who has been baptised; this change introduced a special case such that the marriages of estranged former-Catholics were now considered to be valid.

In practice, the Church found this difficult to interpret, as it was unclear what the process of formal defection actually entailed. So in 1997, a process of consultation began with the intention of removing these dispensations.

In parallel to this discussion, an issue arose in countries such as Germany, where citizens are required to pay a Church Tax unless they make a statement to the tax authorities. An annotated baptismal cert was sometimes requested for this purpose, resulting in a 2006 papal note that finally explained the process of defection in more detail. These are the steps we describe on CountMeOut.ie.

This position remained unchanged until November 2009, when the Vatican approved the document "Omnium in Mentem", removing the dispensations introduced in 1983 and with them all references to formal defection. This came into effect on April 9th 2010.

hondasam

what do you get if you leave

Skid

hondasam wrote: »

what do you get if you leave

An invoice for the return of all your First Communion and Confirmation Money?

TeddyTedson

hondasam wrote: »

what do you get if you leave

A lot less rape

hondasam

TeddyTedson wrote: »

A lot less rape

I might stay

hondasam

SkidMark wrote: »

An invoice for the return of all your First Communion and Confirmation Money?

spent on alcohol. I will give them an IOU

TeddyTedson

hondasam wrote: »

I might stay

Are you sure?

hondasam

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Are you sure?

ok maybe not

Captain Darling

You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave......

*guitar solo*

ScumLord

hondasam wrote: »

what do you get if you leave

You get to go to hell, all the cool people are in hell.

pragmatic1

Do something really blashpemous and get excommunicated.

Something like allowing an abortion for a rape victim or a woman who would die in child birth.

TeddyTedson

Don't get your hopes up though, you'll never fully be out of it in their eyes:rolleyes:

"It remains clear, in any event, that the sacramental bond of belonging to the Body of Christ that is the Church, conferred by the baptismal character, is an ontological and permanent bond which is not lost by reason of any act or fact of defection."

Thus the RCC believes that baptism is an immutable act that creates a permanent bond between the Church and the person. Defecting unsubscribes the individual from the Catholic Church and prevents them from receiving the sacraments but, in the eyes of the Church, the bond of baptism is unbreakable.

We asked the Diocese of Cork and Ross about this and received the following response:

"In relation to one's status as a Christian, it would depend on how you would define the term 'Christian'. Is it somebody who believes that Jesus Christ is Lord? or is it someone who is a member of the Christian church? The renunciation of one's baptism is a formal act of leaving a Christian church. Most Christian churches recognise each other's baptism. The deciding factor being whether the baptism is in the name of the Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit"

This is only the Church's point of view. It is up to the individual to decide their own identity and, for many, committing an act of defection is an important step on the road to establishing this. Moreover there are many who may hold to the beliefs or moral teaching of Christianity but have no wish to be a member of the Roman Catholic Church. For such people, a defection might be appropriate

We have asked the Church to further clarify the distinction they draw between a Catholic, a defected Catholic, an excommunicated Catholic and a non-Catholic. We'll post the response once we receive it.

:rolleyes:

hondasam

ScumLord wrote: »

You get to go to hell, all the cool people are in hell.

angels go to heaven.

Jesus Wept

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BXR5dgRmO0

Glico Man

hondasam wrote: »

angels go to heaven.

Angels fall from heaven...doesn't mean they go back


Don't really know what I'm talking about at all at all

Coriolanus

There's a list of things you can do to get automatically excommunicated teddy.

Caoimhín

Nevore wrote: »

There's a list of things you can do to get automatically excommunicated teddy.

Ooooh, post that list and ill see if i can do them all before breakfast.

busyliving

Maybe a read of this will help

http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/articles/easy-steps-excommunication

skip down a bit to the letter, if you don't like alot of reading

Caoimhín

busyliving wrote: »

Maybe a read of this will help

http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/articles/easy-steps-excommunication

skip down a bit to the letter, if you don't like alot of reading

Sure i do most of those things every day.

busyliving

Caoimhín wrote: »

Sure i do most of those things every day.

So maybe a video of you doing all this included with the letter and you should be fine:D

abouttobebanned

TheZohan wrote: »

If this is another Maddie McCann joke you should be ashamed of yourself young man.

A s h a m e d.

Wha?

Uriel.

Just turn gay, they don't like the gays

Dravokivich

TheZohan wrote: »

If this is another Maddie McCann joke you should be ashamed of yourself young man.

A s h a m e d.

If this is another TL;DR joke, try reading the OP young man...

T h e O P.

mackerel

Wha do they do roll call?