Quail Hollow Championship

heavyballs

Going to stick up a few outsiders before i decide if i want to back Phil tomorrow
Get the bets up before the racing post goons

Steve Marino@
no point in putting up price............not in the mood of another zimmermania onslaught on betting advise

Marino missed the cut last week which is great news as he almost always bounces back from a missed cut which is a trend i like...decent bet on Marino for me

Derek!

Im goin for Webb Simpson, Im hopin he will be lookin to bounce back from last week. Dustin Johnson as well as Hunter Mahan. Goodluck everyone

ValueSeeker

It's Watney and Laird for me as we try to keep the run going after Watson added another victory last week. Neither have a recent long run of events under their belt but if it's stats and attributes you're after, these 2 are the standout for a difficult Quail Hollow course. Both already winers for me this season on site and both have reached another level this year.

Full picks / reasoning for anyone interested.

zimmermania

Suggested lay bets quail hollow Simpson,R Moore,Sabbatini,V Taylor,T Matteson,DiMarco.Others to consider laying,Holmes,Cink,Henry,Bohn.The first group are my banker lays i.e they are well known and some are not huge prices.The second group are also worh laying.Both groups can be layed outright,matchbets and 1st round 3 balls.Mickelson McIlroy,Furyk,Mahan and Fowler are all fancied to go well,though i wont be backing any of them.A hansen,J Edfors and O Wilson are my best lays and Maybin,Ramsey and Morrison might be worth small win wagers and then lay at shorter prices in the spanish open.

heavyballs

i just discovered the 'ignore' button.....although after laying 2 playoff conterders out of a field of 150 or so you're due a god week

Nuri Sahin

No golf bets in awhile (since the Masters) so just getting back into it all, the summer period is where my interest and form picks up so hopefully things will pan out well :P

Anyway, going for Mahan, D Johnson and Van Pelt this week.

Legwinski

Goydos and Herron each way outsiders :cool:

Speak Now

Tommy 2 gloves all the way

premierstone

zimmermania wrote: »

Suggested lay bets quail hollow Simpson,R Moore,Sabbatini,V Taylor,T Matteson,DiMarco.

Simpson 69/1, Moore 109/1, Sabbatini 139/1, V Taylor 269/1, T Matteson 339/1 and Di Marco 499/1 :rolleyes:

Thanks for that Zimmer all we need now is a bankroll of €100K and we can start laying them, although on recent form the winner is probably in there somewhere!

If you honestly are telling us you are consistently making money with this strategy Im afraid Im going to have to call bluff, you are risking huge amounts to win peanuts and one bad week and your screwed ( like two weeks ago when you layed the two who eventually ended up in a playoff).

When you have your lays done for this just put up a screenshot (and again near the end of the tournament) and I'll be the first to admit I was wrong, but from what Ive seen so far I think your bluffing here.

thedini

premierstone wrote: »

Simpson 69/1, Moore 109/1, Sabbatini 139/1, V Taylor 269/1, T Matteson 339/1 and Di Marco 499/1 :rolleyes:

Thanks for that Zimmer all we need now is a bankroll of €100K and we can start laying them, although on recent form the winner is probably in there somewhere!

If you honestly are telling us you are consistently making money with this strategy Im afraid Im going to have to call bluff, you are risking huge amounts to win peanuts and one bad week and your screwed ( like two weeks ago when you layed the two who eventually ended up in a playoff).

When you have your lays done for this just put up a screenshot (and again near the end of the tournament) and I'll be the first to admit I was wrong, but from what Ive seen so far I think your bluffing here.

I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as some people obviously are willing to lay golfers at massive odds, until I read in another thread that he has a few k on betfair, if that's the case what's he laying €2 a bet?

Speak Now

In fairness he did also mention match bets and 3 ball betting.

thedini

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

In fairness he did also mention match bets and 3 ball betting.

the point is how does he have any money left to lay match bets after getting the win bets matched.

Speak Now

thedini wrote: »

the point is how does he have any money left to lay match bets after getting the win bets matched.

I have no idea!
I dont know anything about his account or betting history just what was posted in this thread.

frat

Watson and McIlroy outright and 1st round leader. Johnson, Kaymer and Cabrera outright only, although I think Cab may have withdrawn.

Speak Now

frat wrote: »

Watson and McIlroy outright and 1st round leader. Johnson, Kaymer and Cabrera outright only, although I think Cab may have withdrawn.

Yeah El Pato is gone.

wiger toods

did harvet in running this morning at 60/1 in powers. Currently 3 behind so far, this is his week!:D
Not too sure about pga tour yet.

frat

zimmermania wrote: »

Suggested lay bets quail hollow Simpson,R Moore,Sabbatini,V Taylor,T Matteson,DiMarco.Others to consider laying,Holmes,Cink,Henry,Bohn.The first group are my banker lays i.e they are well known and some are not huge prices.The second group are also worh laying.Both groups can be layed outright,matchbets and 1st round 3 balls.Mickelson McIlroy,Furyk,Mahan and Fowler are all fancied to go well,though i wont be backing any of them.A hansen,J Edfors and O Wilson are my best lays and Maybin,Ramsey and Morrison might be worth small win wagers and then lay at shorter prices in the spanish open.

What does "suggested" mean? Are you laying all of these and if so, based on the prices you would be looking at making a max of around €20 if none of them win (based on the assumption you have 2k in your account - any less would reduce this amount accordingly)!

Or by saying suggested if any of them win its your get out clause i.e. you suggested to lay them but didn't actually follow through on it!!

Considering you lost €250 on Sneds a while back (and apparently layed Donald at a shorter price for a profit,hmmmm), then your strategy means you will be only breaking even if you don't pick a winner in the next 8-10 events.

I really can't understand how you envisage making money this way, but as you are so quick to criticise other selections you might breakdown your betting theory (if you understand it) to clarify these points for the rest of us!

zimmermania

premierstone wrote: »

Simpson 69/1, Moore 109/1, Sabbatini 139/1, V Taylor 269/1, T Matteson 339/1 and Di Marco 499/1 :rolleyes:

Thanks for that Zimmer all we need now is a bankroll of €100K and we can start laying them, although on recent form the winner is probably in there somewhere!

If you honestly are telling us you are consistently making money with this strategy Im afraid Im going to have to call bluff, you are risking huge amounts to win peanuts and one bad week and your screwed ( like two weeks ago when you layed the two who eventually ended up in a playoff).

When you have your lays done for this just put up a screenshot (and again near the end of the tournament) and I'll be the first to admit I was wrong, but from what Ive seen so far I think your bluffing here.

For those who think you need a fortune let me explain.In the us this week i layed,Cink Holmes,Sabbatini, Moore. Holmes at 74 to1 was the shortest price taken,Sabbitini at 139 to 1 the longest price.A layer can have as many bets as he wants and as long as his liability is not greater than the largest amount he wishes to risk.To give an example thi week i risked 1390 euro by laying Sabbitini to win a tenner.As long as any other bet i lay does not reuquire a payout greater than 1390 i can back as many players as i wish without risking a cent more than 1390.In running and right up to the last putt i can keep laying,sometimes laying 3 0r 400 to 1 hovering up small amounts on no hopers.One could wind up having as many as 50 bets on a tournament and bearing in mind there can only be one winner and lots losers laying one that wins at 7.4 to 1 is not a disaster.This is what bookmakers do every day of the week and i find after years of punting its the only way i can make money.My 3 lays so far in spain Wilson 139 to 1 Edfors 89 t0 1 A Hansen 41 to 1,in running i expect to be laying many more and i do realise its not for everone.

zimmermania

frat wrote: »

What does "suggested" mean? Are you laying all of these and if so, based on the prices you would be looking at making a max of around €20 if none of them win (based on the assumption you have 2k in your account - any less would reduce this amount accordingly)!

Or by saying suggested if any of them win its your get out clause i.e. you suggested to lay them but didn't actually follow through on it!!

Considering you lost €250 on Sneds a while back (and apparently layed Donald at a shorter price for a profit,hmmmm), then your strategy means you will be only breaking even if you don't pick a winner in the next 8-10 events.

I really can't understand how you envisage making money this way, but as you are so quick to criticise other selections you might breakdown your betting theory (if you understand it) to clarify these points for the rest of us!

Suggested means that the players mentioned were considered by me to worth opposing this weekend,whether one backs them to lose depends on a number of factors.I have listed my lay bets this weekend,and i will be laying a lot more in running.Occasionally one will lay someone then back it to reduce liability then lay the same player again as the tournament progresses.The theory is one looks for players who do not play well at the course and who might not be playing well at the time,if they represent value before the off one bets,however if one of them has a 2 or 3 under first round their price reduces and in running bets on players in that category offer great value.Many punters will leave bets for players who are doing reasonably well that are not matched they will not be sitting with a laptop watching the golf and those that are will snap up those bets as various players chances unravel during play.

Fursttimer

zimmermania wrote: »

Suggested means that the players mentioned were considered by me to worth opposing this weekend,whether one backs them to lose depends on a number of factors.I have listed my lay bets this weekend,and i will be laying a lot more in running.Occasionally one will lay someone then back it to reduce liability then lay the same player again as the tournament progresses.The theory is one looks for players who do not play well at the course and who might not be playing well at the time,if they represent value before the off one bets,however if one of them has a 2 or 3 under first round their price reduces and in running bets on players in that category offer great value.Many punters will leave bets for players who are doing reasonably well that are not matched they will not be sitting with a laptop watching the golf and those that are will snap up those bets as various players chances unravel during play.

You take Fantasy Golf to a whole different level

heavyballs

heavyballs wrote: »

Going to stick up a few outsiders before i decide if i want to back Phil tomorrow
Get the bets up before the racing post goons
Bo Van Pelt
Steve Marino
no point in putting up price............not in the mood of another zimmermania onslaught on betting advise

Marino missed the cut last week which is great news as he almost always bounces back from a missed cut which is a trend i like...decent bet on Marino for me

so busy i actually forgot to back him...............dope!

Fursttimer

heavyballs wrote: »

so busy i actually forgot to back him...............dope!

Perhaps you should set up the after-timing no one cares thread?

What were you holding out for? to see if he was on Zimmerman's suggested lays?

zimmermania

Fursttimer wrote: »

You take Fantasy Golf to a whole different level

Well,i suppose ignorance is bliss,just because you cannot grasp what i was talking about does not entitle you to dismiss as fantasy my method of golf betting.Could it be that yourself and the other guy who dispense "wisdom" do not like anyone else expressing a contrary view to your own?

Fursttimer

zimmermania wrote: »

Well,i suppose ignorance is bliss,just because you cannot grasp what i was talking about does not entitle you to dismiss as fantasy my method of golf betting.Could it be that yourself and the other guy who dispense "wisdom" do not like anyone else expressing a contrary view to your own?

I grasped your statement no problem, not sure where I perceived I didn't.

You aren't giving a different opinion than me cause I'm not offering one. I simply asked a couple of times for you to provide evidence of your trading venture, but you still evade to.

Don't see much conflict there auld son

zimmermania

Fursttimer wrote: »

I grasped your statement no problem, not sure where I perceived I didn't.

You aren't giving a different opinion than me cause I'm not offering one. I simply asked a couple of times for you to provide evidence of your trading venture, but you still evade to.

Don't see much conflict there auld son

I never asked you for any evidence of your bets,so why should i provide evidence of mine? I was trying to show that after ones initial lay it is possible to lay a lot of bets without further liability.INfact the more one lays the less liability one has.For those who never laid a bet let me give an over simplistic example.First bet a lay at 10 to 1 200 euro to win 20.Throughout a tour event if one could lay say 12 players at 10s to lose 200 one would win eleven bets for certain and one could lose one bet.That would guarentee a profit of 20 euro and if one could manage to avoid laying the winner a profit of 240 euro

x PyRo

Cut out the nonsense please lads and just keep these threads for posting golf selections, chat, etc.

zimmermania

x PyRo wrote: »

Cut out the nonsense please lads and just keep these threads for posting golf selections, chat, etc.

Good advice,i had a good weekend all lay bets i posted and some more in running came good,bring on the players championship