Irish people who join foreign armies

swordofislam

In the past there was a tradition of Irish people joining the British Army. Conscription by starvation as it was called.
Many people also joined as a way of participating in the imperial project and because of family tradition. More recently many people joined the RAF because they were seen as a way to learn a highly skilled trade.
The United Stated Marines used to be called the Irish branch of the service.
The Wild Geese built Ireland a great reputation.
Surely those times are past it must be a basic requirement of any nation state that it can demand the primary loyalty of its citizens. As such it is no longer appropriate for Irish citizens to join foreign militaries.
I would suggest the criminalisation of this action with immediate effect. Sanctions could include: the repayment of all money spent on education, loss of citizenship, the requirement to sign on at a Garda station every week when in Ireland.
However there would be the possibility of getting a special permission basically this could apply to people who want to join an army other than the British Army. Good idea? Madness?

fedor.2.

I like your username. Unlucky yesterday

Ghandee

swordofislam wrote: »

In the past there was a tradition of Irish people joining the British Army. Conscription by starvation as it was called. Many people also joined as a way of participating in the imperial project and because of family tradition. More recently many people joined the RAF because they were seen as a way to learn a highly skilled trade. The United Stated Marines used to be called the Irish branch of the service. The Wild Geese built Ireland a great reputation. Surely those times are past it must be a basic requirement of any nation state that it can demand the primary loyalty of its citizens. As such it is no longer appropriate for Irish citizens to join foreign militaries. I would suggest the criminalisation of this action with immediate effect. Sanctions could include: the repayment of all money spent on education, loss of citizenship, the requirement to sign on at a Garda station every week when in Ireland. However there would be the possibility of getting a special permission basically this could apply to people who want to join an army other than the British Army. Good idea? Madness?

My mate Malachy left Naas and joined Al Qaida.
He got discharged after repeatedly trying to fly a blimp into Big Ben,!

CJhaughey

There are people from lots of countries that join other countries armed forces. Its part of life, how do you explain the French foreign legion?
There are lots of soldiers in the British army that are from the Commonwealth, as well as Gurkhas from Nepal.
I don't think you can stop it.

holystungun9

Ghandee wrote: »

My mate left Naas and joined Al Qaida.
He got discharged after repeatedly trying to fly a blimp into big ben!

What an idiot, he would have a better chance with the spire

swordofislam

Ghandee wrote: »

My mate Malachy left Naas and joined Al Qaida.
He got discharged after repeatedly trying to fly a blimp into Big Ben,!

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Turtyturd

swordofislam wrote: »

In the past there was a tradition of Irish people joining the British Army. Conscription by starvation as it was called.
Many people also joined as a way of participating in the imperial project and because of family tradition. More recently many people joined the RAF because they were seen as a way to learn a highly skilled trade.
The United Stated Marines used to be called the Irish branch of the service.
The Wild Geese built Ireland a great reputation.
Surely those times are past it must be a basic requirement of any nation state that it can demand the primary loyalty of its citizens. As such it is no longer appropriate for Irish citizens to join foreign militaries.
I would suggest the criminalisation of this action with immediate effect. Sanctions could include: the repayment of all money spent on education, loss of citizenship, the requirement to sign on at a Garda station every week when in Ireland.
However there would be the possibility of getting a special permission basically this could apply to people who want to join an army other than the British Army. Good idea? Madness?

Yes because they are shown so much loyalty in return.

prinz

swordofislam wrote: »

I would suggest the criminalisation of this action with immediate effect. Sanctions could include: the repayment of all money spent on education, loss of citizenship, the requirement to sign on at a Garda station every week when in Ireland.

So they would be treated worse than murderers? Right. What about people who join foreign police services? Them too? Why would there be a special permission so that it would be ok to join any army other than the British?

swordofislam

CJhaughey wrote: »

There are people from lots of countries that join other countries armed forces. Its part of life, how do you explain the French foreign legion?
There are lots of soldiers in the British army that are from the Commonwealth, as well as Gurkhas from Nepal.
I don't think you can stop it.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't try. The French and the Americans and the English don't let their citizens join foreign armies why should we?

Nijmegen

There are plenty of nations that have no trouble with it.

Unless they're invading Ireland (in before 'they're occupying the top of it'), the Republic of, who gives a crap? What material damage are they doing to you or me?

Take back the money we used to educate them, sure what about everyone emigrating?

MagicSean

Stupid thread is stupid. If someone joins an army we are at war with then by all means hang them at dawn. As it stands we are all just European anyway.

old_aussie

I don't see how someone from Ireland can just up and leave Ireland and join the US Marines. :eek:

Trashbat

swordofislam wrote: »

That doesn't mean you shouldn't try. The French and the Americans and the English don't let their citizens join foreign armies why should we?

is this serious? the army is underfunded as is, so cannot cope with that many applicants. You'd create another mass unemployment crisis.

Why don't we just start up our own un regulated militias instead?

swordofislam

prinz wrote: »

So they would be treated worse than murderers? Right. What about people who join foreign police services? Them too? Why would there be a special permission so that it would be ok to join any army other than the British?

Permission could be granted to join any foreign army including the British; in practise requests to join other armies would come from People who already live in that country Irish people with dual citizenship who have to do Wehrpflict to keep one citizenship Wouldn't always be granted but could be granted. They are not worse than murderers at the moment the action is not criminal.

OP, what does it feel like to walk around all day with no one respecting anything that could possibly come out of your mouth?

LondonIrish90

swordofislam wrote: »

That doesn't mean you shouldn't try. The French and the Americans and the English don't let their citizens join foreign armies why should we?

Yes they do. It is more to do withy the fact they aren't eligible to join foreign armies most of the time, as opposed to the governments blocking their way. Also, the fact that a Briton or an American will more than likely experience their fair share of fighting in their own armed forces probably lessens the amount of people with a desire to go through the procedure of joining a foreign army.

prinz

swordofislam wrote: »

They are not worse than murderers at the moment the action is not criminal.

..but under your ideas they would be. Why?

MagicSean

Deleted User wrote: »

OP, what does it feel like to walk around all day with no one respecting anything that could possibly come out of your mouth?

Probably feels a lot like being in the Real IRA

swordofislam

Nijmegen wrote: »

There are plenty of nations that have no trouble with it.

Unless they're invading Ireland (in before 'they're occupying the top of it'), the Republic of, who gives a crap? What

Nijmegen wrote: »

material damage are they doing to you or me?

They might not be doing any material damage but Irish Pride is more than bread to me I am surprised you don't feel the same way
on the other hand when you see the way the country has gone in the past while it is no surprise at all.

Pauleta

If Pete "Maverick" Mitchell was Irish he may have flown a couple of helicopters. He never would of made it to Top Gun or had any sort of Top Gun like action.

fedor.2.

Deleted User wrote: »

OP, what does it feel like to walk around all day with no one respecting anything that could possibly come out of your mouth?

This made me lol

swordofislam

Deleted User wrote: »

OP, what does it feel like to walk around all day with no one respecting anything that could possibly come out of your mouth?

Why did you move to the country that Gary Glitter called home?

prinz

swordofislam wrote: »

They might not be doing any material damage but Irish Pride is more than bread to me I am surprised you don't feel the same way.

I have more pride in people who have gone abroad to find gainful employment and offered service to the countries that have accepted them (military, police, firemen, medical staff etc etc etc) than others back here scratching their hole coming up with the stupidest ideas possible.

Badgermonkey

swordofislam wrote: »

I would suggest the criminalisation of this action with immediate effect.

I would suggest you take a long march off a short pier.

Crazy talk.

fergpie

Yes we should also remove irish citizenship from all emigrants and place a special tax on irish people working abroad as they are contributing to foreign economies.....

Traitors!

swordofislam

Trashbat wrote: »

is this serious? the army is underfunded as is, so cannot cope with that many applicants.

Increase the army's funding then

Rabies

This smells if one big troll fest