Weed and talent

TangyZizzle

Simple question.

When someone with immense talent admits to using weed as inspiration when creating one of their most acclaimed pieces - be it a painting, a script or a building design.. Should they be praised for being as talented as they are perceived to be? Or should we point out that without the THC they'd be as talentless as the rest of us?

joshrogan

What about the tens of millions who took weed who didn't create a masterpiece? If they have it in them it'll eventually happen. /thread

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

TangyZizzle wrote: »

Simple question.

When someone with immense talent admits to using weed as inspiration when creating one of their most acclaimed pieces - be it a painting, a script or a building design.. Should they be praised for being as talented as they are perceived to be? Or should we point out that without the THC they'd be as talentless as the rest of us?

If that last sentence was correct, surely everyone who takes weed would be a fantastic artist...?

No - the weed might act as a conduit or as a catalyst, but there's got to be something in the genesis.

18AD

Drugs don't give you talent. Ask any number of drug users who have done jack with their drug experiences.

Captain_Generic

18AD wrote: »

Drugs don't give you talent. Ask any number of drug users who have done jack with their drug experiences.

Heroin users are probably pretty good at sewing

Fukuyama

sigh

TangyZizzle

18AD wrote: »

Drugs don't give you talent. Ask any number of drug users who have done jack with their drug experiences.

I know it myself. I'v never done anything amazing with my high. Maybe one or two reports have come out a little more flowery than they would have had I been completely sober. But the better halves paintings definitely take a different turn when she's smoked before hand.

ScumLord

Weed gives you focus not talent.

slavetothegrind

focus on getting more weed.......

18AD

TangyZizzle wrote: »

I know it myself. I'v never done anything amazing with my high. Maybe one or two reports have come out a little more flowery than they would have had I been completely sober. But the better halves paintings definitely take a different turn when she's smoked before hand.

But I'm guessing she's already a good painter? If you have good skills you can apply the altered state to it in creative ways. If you have no skills you're not going to suddenly acquire them.

TangyZizzle

18AD wrote: »

But I'm guessing she's already a good painter? If you have good skills you can apply the altered state to it in creative ways. If you have no skills you're not going to suddenly acquire them.

Your grasp on this subject and your username(mainly your username) make you a very easy person to label as a smoker

My mind was already partly made up before I posted this thread. I just thought Id pick some brains. Thanks everyone.

Kevin Duffy

Having watched many a stoner trying to construct a sentence and failing, I can't see that the weed is a key success factor in creating anything more elaborate.

deaddonkey

There are many great artists and musicians who can draw on their talent easily, many others equally talented who benefit from drugs/alcohol to release their creativity from the constraints of a mind that over analyzes and restrains thoughts.

If you doubt it, go check out a great band called The Beatles.

Hookah

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

Having watched many a stoner trying to construct a sentence and failing, I can't see that the weed is a key success factor in creating anything more elaborate.

That's just your.

Kevin Duffy

Hookah wrote: »

That's just your.

Your username and the sentence you managed to construct are all the proof I need, thanks

dr.bollocko

Yep.

ShamoBuc

yeah - most definately, without a doubt - toast should be done on both sides..... this stuff is good shít!

BickNarry

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

Having watched many a stoner trying to construct a sentence and failing, I can't see that the weed is a key success factor in creating anything more elaborate.

Howard Marks ring any bells?

Degree in Physics, History and Political Science. Never mind the illegal activities he masterminded for years......

Steel Pulse, Aswad, Marley, Dennis Brown, Sly&Robbie, Max Romeo, Delroy Wilson, Lee Perry, the Mad Professor, the Heptones.....are among hundreds of amazing Jamaican musicians who have used the 'erb to aid creativity.

And then there are those like Joe Strummer who smoked whiel writing nearly all of the original material for London Calling (and subsequent work)

Works for some,not for others. Certainly not me anyway.

TPD

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

Your username and the sentence you managed to construct are all the proof I need, thanks

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Kevin Duffy

TPD wrote: »

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Yeh, I got it, thanks anyway. Thanks also to the other poster who posted the same thing before you manged it....

TPD

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

Yeh, I got it, thanks anyway. Thanks also to the other poster who posted the same thing before you manged it....

Kevin Duffy

BickNarry wrote: »

Howard Marks ring any bells?

Degree in Physics, History and Political Science. Never mind the illegal activities he masterminded for years......

Steel Pulse, Aswad, Marley, Dennis Brown, Sly&Robbie, Max Romeo, Delroy Wilson, Lee Perry, the Mad Professor, the Heptones.....are among hundreds of amazing Jamaican musicians who have used the 'erb to aid creativity.

And then there are those like Joe Strummer who smoked whiel writing nearly all of the original material for London Calling (and subsequent work)

Works for some,not for others. Certainly not me anyway.

So, a small few did things they might have done anyway, compared to the parties full of stoned people who talk the most unbelievable shíte,think themselves interesting and never manage to create anything worthwhile. Hardly proof, is it? Maybe there is some creative benefit, for some people, up to a critical point, after which the benefit tails off, so, like I said, not a key success factor.

RichieC

Carl Sagan.

Kevin Duffy

TPD wrote: »

Ah, don't be down. Smoke something nice and write a lovely song.

ScumLord

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

Having watched many a stoner trying to construct a sentence and failing, I can't see that the weed is a key success factor in creating anything more elaborate.

W.B Yeats was a smoker, probably allot of poets of the time were too as it wasn't illegal back then.

Loads more here
http://www.friendsofcannabis.com

The vast majority of good artists have been smokers of weed. Music without weed ends up in the Christian rock bargain bin.

Kevin Duffy

ScumLord wrote: »

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http://www.friendsofcannabis.com

The vast majority of good artists have been smokers of weed.

Besides the subjectivity of deciding "good artists", your link lists 981 names. Arer you sure this is the "vast majority"?

ScumLord

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

Besides the subjectivity of deciding "good artists", your link lists 981 names. Arer you sure this is the "vast majority"?

That's just the short list. I haven't meet to many musicians that haven't smoked. Who do you like to listen to? What authors do you read, which actors and directors do you like to watch? They're all smoking weed.

Kevin Duffy

ScumLord wrote: »

That's just the short list.

Well, you posted it. Got the full list?

ScumLord wrote: »

I haven't meet to many musicians that haven't smoked. Who do you like to listen to? What authors do you read, which actors and directors do you like to watch? They're all smoking weed.

And I've met lots, in all areas of creativity, who don't smoke, or take anything else for that matter. Some do, some don't, same as most other groups of people. Maybe more common, but that's all, not universal by any means. And as for the idea that all the authors I read etc. are smoking weed, you know this, do you? Or just wild hyperbole, a statement pulled out of your ass?

ScumLord

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

Well, you posted it. Got the full list?



And I've met lots, in all areas of creativity, who don't smoke, or take anything else for that matter. Some do, some don't, same as most other groups of people. Maybe more common, but that's all, not universal by any means. And as for the idea that all the authors I read etc. are smoking weed, you know this, do you?

Yes I've spoken to all of them.

Kevin Duffy

ScumLord wrote: »

Yes I've spoken to all of them.

Great, thanks for that.

ScumLord

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

Great, thanks for that.

No problem, glad I cleared that up for you.

Klair88

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

Having watched many a stoner trying to construct a sentence and failing, I can't see that the weed is a key success factor in creating anything more elaborate.

You must be smoking with idiots, or there getting some unbelievable smoke!
i have a smoke before i play my guitar for writing purposes, or when listening to music. Make's you appreciate the music more and it enhances the pleasure of the feeling of music. Sum "Shine on you crazy diamond" and a bitta toke and im in at my zenith!

Superbus

Before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoF-7VMMihA

After

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI0Q8ytD44Y

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karma_

RichieC wrote: »

Carl Sagan.

This post should have ended the thread!

Logical Fallacy

TangyZizzle wrote: »

Simple question.

When someone with immense talent admits to using weed as inspiration when creating one of their most acclaimed pieces - be it a painting, a script or a building design.. Should they be praised for being as talented as they are perceived to be? Or should we point out that without the THC they'd be as talentless as the rest of us?

All the weed in the world won't make you talented. It might give you some inspiration from time to time but it won't teach you the paint, draw or write.

Hookah

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

All the weed in the world won't make you talented. It might give you some inspiration from time to time but it won't teach you the paint, draw or write.

But will it make you more creative, and thus draw on any latent talent?

Dwellingdweller

TangyZizzle wrote: »

Simple question.

When someone with immense talent admits to using <something> as inspiration when creating one of their most acclaimed pieces - be it a painting, a script or a building design.. Should they be praised for being as talented as they are perceived to be? Or should we point out that without the <something> they'd be as talentless as the rest of us?

Seriously guys you can replace the <something> there with anything in the entire world and the question remains the same. OP only picked weed coz it's OMG controversial and has guaranteed replies :rolleyes:

karma_

Dwellingdweller wrote: »

Seriously guys you can replace the <something> there with anything in the entire world and the question remains the same. OP only picked weed coz it's OMG controversial and has guaranteed replies :rolleyes:

I tried it mentally with cabbage, and it didn't work.

TangyZizzle

Dwellingdweller wrote: »

Seriously guys you can replace the <something> there with anything in the entire world and the question remains the same. OP only picked weed coz it's OMG controversial and has guaranteed replies :rolleyes:

Wrong :pac:

It was merely a conversation that myself and the better half that I decided to pick a few brains with. Nothing sinister about that.

Dwellingdweller

karma_ wrote: »

I tried it mentally with cabbage, and it didn't work.

It helps if you visualise the cabbage :P

TangyZizzle

Klair88 wrote: »

You must be smoking with idiots, or there getting some unbelievable smoke!
i have a smoke before i play my guitar for writing purposes, or when listening to music. Make's you appreciate the music more and it enhances the pleasure of the feeling of music. Sum "Shine on you crazy diamond" and a bitta toke and im in at my zenith!

I'd to look up that last word, that's a lovely way of putting it.

WindSock

I was at my least creative when stoned. Didn't have the wherewithall to be arsed, counter productive for me anyway. I was able to appreciate others art though.