macaleese wedding snub

jakdelad

thats right she wasent on the list or considered for an invitation

you would wonder at that???
and the queen coming here
perhaps they were afraid she could blurt out and embarress
all.
or perhaps it was a protocol thing
anyone any thoughts on her appearent snub

thebman

Some representative from Ireland was probably there.

Like Ronan Keating :P

ardmacha

Did Mary invite QEII to her daughter's wedding?

dlofnep

I'm sure she'll live..

mikemac

Amy Huberman was there to represent us

SBWife

She's not a monarch, so wasn't included. Nor was Nicolas Sarkozy, Christian Wulff, Giorgio Napolitano or other non-royal European heads of state.

sceptre

Damned if I know what this has to do with the Irish economy or why it's in the Irish Economy forum. Moving to the main Politics forum.

As SBWife mentioned, the invites to heads of state were extended only to monarchs. As it wasn't a political event, that's pretty normal and expected. Would you want every head of state on the planet at your wedding, taking up space that could be given to people you like? It's actually a lack of particular required protocol thing. Don't worry, should the groom become king on the deaths of his grandmother and father, whoever is President of Ireland at the time will get a note in the mail asking them to come along.

You may find this useful. As always, a little research goes a long way.

mgmt

The Irish Ambassador to Britain was there.

Iwasfrozen

jakdelad wrote: »

thats right she wasent on the list or considered for an invitation

you would wonder at that???
and the queen coming here
perhaps they were afraid she could blurt out and embarress
all.
or perhaps it was a protocall thing
anyone any thoughts on her appearent snub

If Obama wasn't invited you can't expect the president of Ireland to be.

bmaxi

Any excuse to stir the sh*t. If she had been invited and accepted I'm sure the usual suspects would have been posting on here about traitors and sell outs.

jakdelad

sceptre wrote: »

Damned if I know what this has to do with the Irish economy or why it's in the Irish Economy forum. Moving to the main Politics forum.

As SBWife mentioned, the invites to heads of state were extended only to monarchs. As it wasn't a political event, that's pretty normal and expected. Would you want every head of state on the planet at your wedding, taking up space that could be given to people you like? It's actually a lack of particular required protocol thing. Don't worry, should the groom become king on the deaths of his grandmother and father, whoever is President of Ireland at the time will get a note in the mail asking them to come along.

You may find this useful. As always, a little research goes a long way.

interesting
i suppose you would call the 16 caribbean heads of state
all caibbean queens then..
The Governor-General of Antigua and Barbuda
-The Governor-General of The Bahamas and Lady Foulkes
-The Governor-General of Belize
-The Governor-General of Barbados
-The Governor-General of Jamaica
-The Governor-General of St Christopher and Nevis
-The Governor-General of St Lucia
-The Governor-General of St Vincent and the Grenadines and Lady Ballantyne
-The Prime Minister of The Bahamas and Ms Delores Miller
-The Prime Minister of Barbados
-The Prime Minister of Saint Lucia and Mrs. Rosalia Nestor King
-The Prime Minister of Saint Vincent and The Grenadines and Mrs. Ralph Gonsalves
-The Premier of The British Virgin Islands and Mrs. Ralph O’Neal
-The Premier of the Cayman Islands and Mrs. Kerry Bush
-The Premier of Bermuda
-The Chief Minister of Montserrat..........
a little research goes a long way

Jonah42

jakdelad wrote: »

interesting
i suppose you would call the 16 caribbean heads of state
all queens then..
The Governor-General of Antigua and Barbuda
-The Governor-General of The Bahamas and Lady Foulkes
-The Governor-General of Belize
-The Governor-General of Barbados
-The Governor-General of Jamaica
-The Governor-General of St Christopher and Nevis
-The Governor-General of St Lucia
-The Governor-General of St Vincent and the Grenadines and Lady Ballantyne
-The Prime Minister of The Bahamas and Ms Delores Miller
-The Prime Minister of Barbados
-The Prime Minister of Saint Lucia and Mrs. Rosalia Nestor King
-The Prime Minister of Saint Vincent and The Grenadines and Mrs. Ralph Gonsalves
-The Premier of The British Virgin Islands and Mrs. Ralph O’Neal
-The Premier of the Cayman Islands and Mrs. Kerry Bush
-The Premier of Bermuda
-The Chief Minister of Montserrat..........
a little research goes a long way

Queen Liz is head of state of pretty much all those places.

RichardAnd

sceptre wrote: »

You may find this useful. As always, a little research goes a long way.

Research and forethought seem to be dirty words on these boards

SBWife

jakdelad wrote: »

interesting
i suppose you would call the 16 caribbean heads of state
all caibbean queens then..
The Governor-General of Antigua and Barbuda
-The Governor-General of The Bahamas and Lady Foulkes
-The Governor-General of Belize
-The Governor-General of Barbados
-The Governor-General of Jamaica
-The Governor-General of St Christopher and Nevis
-The Governor-General of St Lucia
-The Governor-General of St Vincent and the Grenadines and Lady Ballantyne
-The Prime Minister of The Bahamas and Ms Delores Miller
-The Prime Minister of Barbados
-The Prime Minister of Saint Lucia and Mrs. Rosalia Nestor King
-The Prime Minister of Saint Vincent and The Grenadines and Mrs. Ralph Gonsalves
-The Premier of The British Virgin Islands and Mrs. Ralph O’Neal
-The Premier of the Cayman Islands and Mrs. Kerry Bush
-The Premier of Bermuda
-The Chief Minister of Montserrat..........
a little research goes a long way

You've listed the Queen's representatives in the various Caribbean nations and protectorates - perhaps a little research only goes a little ways.

Delancey

Prince William is NOT next in line to the throne and because of this fact the guest list reflected his position which is ' junior ' to that of his father , really all a matter of protocol and no snub should be inferred.

jakdelad

SBWife wrote: »

You've listed the Queen's representatives in the various Caribbean nations and protectorates - perhaps a little research only goes a little ways.

pedantry alive and well

dsmythy

jakdelad wrote: »

pedantry alive and well

Is our President a British representitive?

jakdelad

dsmythy wrote: »

Is our President a British representitive?

she may have a british passport??
technically shes a british citizen
was she not born and was educated in northern ireland
which is still under uk rule??

dsmythy

jakdelad wrote: »

she may have a british passport??
technically shes a british citizen
did she not grow up and was educated in northern ireland
which is still under uk rule

On foreign visits she represents Ireland.

nuac

No snub here, just protocol. Thread title should be changed.

jakdelad

dsmythy wrote: »

On foreign visits she represents Ireland.

yes she was elected once..
we also elected a south africian to the dail ?
but he dident represent africa

BlaasForRafa

jakdelad wrote: »

pedantry alive and well

He was right and you were wrong. The only pedantry here is you going on and despite being in the wrong and not having bothered to do any research into what your waffling about.

DuncanDoughnut

jakdelad wrote: »

we also elected a south africian to the dail ?
but he dident represent africa

I don't remember a South African being elected to the Dáil. Highly doubt it.

Anyone born in the North can take Irish citizenship, well not anyone since the constitutional amendment in 2004, but if you are born in the North of parents also born in the North (or in the Republic) you are entitled to take Irish citizenship.

Even so, she would not be representing Britain on foreign visits because she is from Northern Ireland!

Delancey

DuncanDoughnut wrote: »

I don't remember a South African being elected to the Dáil. Highly doubt it.

Dr. Mossajee Bhamjee was a psychiatrist who was elected a number of years ago as a Labour TD in Clare - I think he served for only 4 years or thereabouts and wisely did not contest the next election after seeing what the opinion polls indicated lay ahead for him.

jakdelad

DuncanDoughnut wrote: »

I don't remember a South African being elected to the Dáil. Highly doubt it.

Anyone born in the North can take Irish citizenship, well not anyone since the constitutional amendment in 2004, but if you are born in the North of parents also born in the North (or in the Republic) you are entitled to take Irish citizenship.

Even so, she would not be representing Britain on foreign visits because she is from Northern Ireland!

well her time is nearly up
so she wont be representing anyone when she swans off with her golden handshake and her pension in a few months time
hopefully this so called democracy will after 14 years let its citizens
decide on who they want to represent them

DuncanDoughnut

Jesus I never knew that, very interesting! You wouldn't expect a Muslim South African to be elected from Clare (or many places in Ireland) haha

Cavehill Red

The correct diplomatic response would, of course, be to tell Betty Saxe-Coburg Gotha Windsor that she can go and shaft herself if she thinks she's welcome in Dublin.

galwayrush

We are not a member state of the commomwealth.

jakdelad

DuncanDoughnut wrote: »

Jesus I never knew that, very interesting! You wouldn't expect a Muslim South African to be elected from Clare (or many places in Ireland) haha

really
bet you dident expect a cannabis smoking long haired man from roscommon
would get elected either
or a hairy pink shirt wearing man from wexford would either..

caseyann

DuncanDoughnut wrote: »

Jesus I never knew that, very interesting! You wouldn't expect a Muslim South African to be elected from Clare (or many places in Ireland) haha

He is practically Irish he has been here since in his 20,s and apart of the scenery.:D

Moosajee Bhamjee was born in Pietermaritzburg, South Africa in 1947. His father emigrated from India in 1906 and had set up a hardware shop there. He died in 1964 so it was decided that one of the sons would take over the shop while another would go for further education. Moosajee travelled to Dublin in 1965 where he studied medicine at the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland. His two other brothers also travelled to Dublin around the same time to study medicine. After he received his degree, Bhamjee returned to South Africa where he began working as a general practitioner. He returned to Ireland in 1975 and married a girl he first met when studying in Dublin. They moved to Galway and later to Cork where he trained as a psychiatrist. In 1984 Bhamjee started a permanent post at Our Lady's Hospital in Ennis less than 20 miles from his wife's home-place of Cooraclare.

Knight990

No snub whatsoever. Simple as that.

blinding

Knight990 wrote: »

No snub whatsoever. Simple as that.

If they could'nt even be bothered to snub us well thats a snub in my book:p

Knight990

A snub within a snub...snubception!

pigeonbutler

jakdelad wrote: »

well her time is nearly up
so she wont be representing anyone when she swans off with her golden handshake and her pension in a few months time
hopefully this so called democracy will after 14 years let its citizens
decide on who they want to represent them

Yawn. Very sick of hearing this line. She was elected in 1997 out of a choice of 5 candidates. Apart from herself there was one nominated by FG, one by combination of Labour, DL and the Greens and 2 independents nominated by county councils. IIRC she won by a fairly substantial margin getting 45% of the vote in a 5 person race.

7 years later she put herself forward for re-election and nobody else stood against her. FG and Labour had enough members of the Oireachtas to nominate somebody but chose not to (although Labour and the Greens both made noises about running somebody and then decided it was probably unwinnable).

Any citizen of Ireland aged over 35 could have sought nominations from 4 county or city councils, just as Dana and Derek Nally successfully did in 1997. As far as I'm aware, Dana tried get those nominations again but was unsuccessful. Probably makes sense given Mary McAleese's satisfaction rating at that time was about 80%