Fringe S3E21 - The Last Sam Weiss [spoilers]

somuj

Was ok. Would not call it spectacular tho. Was very dissapointed that Sam was not some kind of immortal Not sure if I liked Oliva being a human crowbar.

That ending was just damn strange.

I agree. It was more a set up for next week's finale. Much better than that LSD episode though. As for the ending well being a sci-fi show it was only a matter of time before they got round to time travel!

Richard Dower

It's being suggested around the net it's a yellow universe, but i disagree....it's our blueverse set 15 years in the future. The plaq said September 11th 2021....now either something Fringe related happened on that date, or it was the day the new Freedom Tower was opened.

It's 15 years ahead, my guess is our side is at war with the other side, perhaps armies are crossing over etc, while not as good as last week this was still very solid and enjoyable!

OSTRICH!!!!!...haha!, another one to the list!

somuj

I dont tink he actually travelled into the future. If you notice his hairline it has receeded to something quite similar to Walters. So its prob just his future self

opr

Some three universe references in this episode.









Opr

opr

What was with the Peter thing and his memory ? It was like he became Peter from the other side and then just snapped back out of it. What was the pawn shop / coin thing all about ? Walter seemed interested in the coin but got distracted. The Peter who died on the other side collected coins when he was younger. Its like Peter was the Peter he would have been had he never been brought to the other side.

Anyway that Peter got implanted with memories like Olivia and came back to the blue universe after the kidnapping as a double agent ?

Opr

The Black Oil

Quite a strong one this week. Although, at one stage I thought we were going to be treated to Jeremy Clarkson doing another beach assault with the Focus and the Royal Marines... But yeah, a good balance between main story and some character stuff - Walter/Astrid, Walter/Olivia.

expectationlost

only 3?

i thought there was line in the promo for this ep that didn't appear in the show, sam wiess saying to oilivia that the timeline was wrong, that it was dependent on olivia and peter being together

Antar Bolaeisk

Very good episode again this week but not liking the strong "Lost" vibe coming from the whole mysterious box/crowbar thing. Cannot wait to see what happens next.

Sad Professor

Antar Bolaeisk wrote: »

Very good episode again this week but not liking the strong "Lost" vibe coming from the whole mysterious box/crowbar thing.

That reminded me more of Alias's ridiculous and convoluted Rambaldi plot-line than it did Lost, which actually always avoided pointless exposition about magical devices. Fringe has a lot more in common with Alias than it does The X-Files, which isn't a good thing.

Anyway, I liked this episode mostly for the ending. Pretty cool and obviously the direction that next season is headed in. Increasingly it seems to me that the only way to fix the mess that Walter caused is to go back in time and prevent him ever taking Peter. Assuming this parallel universe plot-line doesn't get resolved this season, maybe that's where this is all headed. I don't think introducing a third universe makes any sense.

don ramo

with this being a sci-fi show, i wouldnt be very surprised if a third universe is added, but as said the plaque did state 2021, and the destruction of the twin towers in 2001,

so its more likely that peter has gone forward in time, and at that, seems to have taken control of his future selfs body, so his future self is probably now in peter current body, so we should get some nice juicy info next week,

im drawing a blank though on what olivia wrote on the type writer, "be a better man than your father" whats the story with that saying,

i wonder though what the meaning is of peter thinking he was still in the otherside, and then recognising walter wasnt the secretary of defense as soon as he saw him, he only found out walternate was secretary of defense a few months ago, and most of his life has been spent over here, so why did that memory stay so strong,

Antar Bolaeisk

It was the phrase Peter used to catch Fauxlivia when he spoke it in a foreign language (Greek was it?)

opr

When Olivia wakes up in the hospital at the start of season two she says a phrase in greek which William Bell had told her to tell Peter and that he would understand. It translates as "Be a better man than your father" which was something Peter's mother used to recite to him every night before he went to sleep.

Opr

DeadParrot

Sam Weiss took out his Newtons Cradle again. Five steel balls smashing against each other = Five universes smashing against each other. I think there could be five universes. There are probably Earths 3, 4 and 5. Peter is in the future of Earth 3. On Earth 4 William Bell never removed parts of Walter's brain.

Earth 5 is our Universe. The one that Peter, Olivia and the baby escape to at the end of the series.

DeadParrot

or not
who knows
liking the 3 universe references though opr

stevenmu

Didn't pick up on the 3 universes thing myself, but it makes sense. They keep talking about how the machine is a creation and destruction machine, so I've been assuming that originally there was just one universe, the ancients built the machine and used it to split the universe in two giving two universes. This is obviously an unstable arrangement and either both universes will destroy each other, or Peter will somehow use the machine to save them. With the hints of 3 universes I wonder if the machine can merge the two existing into a new third universe?