This made me laugh (politics.ie)

mike65

P.ie is well known for its nationalist/anti-British head-the-balls, this one made me laugh. As you can see its a thoughly practical proposal.

http://www.politics.ie/media/159185-rte-modest-proposal-3.html#post3843829

The difficulty with the 9 channel Digital Terrestrial TV service currently being proposed is that it is the worst of all Worlds, as it will not address the Anglicisation of RTE, the Britazi - West Britazi proxy wars of exclusion, nor Britain's psychological, cultural, economic and defamation war of domination against the Irish and Irish America.

If the free to air BBC1, BBC2, Channel 4 and UTV channels were also provided on this Digital Terrestrial TV Service, then there would be no excuse for RTE or TG4 to be showing British Soaps or Talent Shows or Sport on their Channels and it would allow RTE & TG4 channels to develop a distinct Global Irish brand of their own to the benefit of Irish creativity and Irish television producers.

There could also be some built-in mechanism whereby each household could separately deactivate any or all of the British TV channels if they so wished on this expanded Digital Terrestrial TV Service.

Then RTE and TG4's (and their websites) remit would be to provide an Irish perspective, and to promote Ireland and Irish people globally, and let the Brits use their own 100 TV channels to do likewise for themselves.

The Channels not used by RTE, TG4 and TV3, could be set aside for Irish based TV companies, providing an even greater platform for the promotion of Irish enterprise, sport and creativity.

Therefore, a 20 channel Digital Terrestrial TV Service should be offered to the Irish public instead, with 16 of those Digital Channels based in all the four provinces of Ireland.

At present there are four Digital Terrestrial TV channels based in Dublin (Leinster) and one in Galway (Connaught) and Ulster has UTV.

Of the remaining 11 Digital Channels, four should be based in Munster, three in Connaught, three in Ulster and One in Leinster.

These other channels would pay a certain percentage of their monthly advertising revenue towards the operator of Ireland's Digital Terrestrial TV Service for providing and maintaining the TV platform.
There could be 2 versions of the TG4 channel, the first one with sub-titles and the second without.

RTE has been controlled for the past 25 years by the U2 propaganda machine, which is a vehicle for the 'Britazi West Britazi' wars of domination tied into the British Monarchist Establishment.

These 'Britazi West Britazi' proxy wars of exclusion will continue, until RTE is moved to a new Central Capital in Ireland, that should be built on a green-field site near Moate.

The Brits should not be allowed to use the RTE and TG4 TV channels to culturally, psychologically and economically brainwash Irish citizens, for their own gain.


If somebody wanted to watch a British Soap, or British Soccer they could do so on a British Channel, and there would no excuse for the RTE website to function as a propaganda tool for the Brits, and British culture.
Britain has been pursuing an aggressive military foreign policy agenda for centuries. Now they are trying to publicly claim our endorsement and turn Irish citizens into walking billboards for British goods, services and culture.
Britain exports more goods to Ireland than to China, India, Russia and Brazil combined.

They are attempting to brainwash the World into believing that as their Auld enemy the Irish buy British goods and services, despite Britain's aggressive military foreign policy, then they should also.

If the Digital Terrestrial TV aerial on rooftops is designed so that it has 2 cables - one carrying the Digital TV signal and the other carrying analogue Broadband, then RTE would also have a revenue stream from providing Broadband, to compensate for protecting it's Irish TV brand, and any lost advertising from not showing British propaganda programming in Ireland.

The National Pension Reserve Fund should invest in this Digital Terrestrial TV Service and Rural Broadband initiative, as it is of strategic National importance to provide a platform for Irish people at home and abroad.

British advertising is also becoming the norm on Irish TV and provides no upside for Irish advertising agencies, creativity nor Irish actors.
It is just part of Britain's psychological, cultural, economic and defamation war of domination against the Irish and Irish America, and the Brits' attempted drive towards the recolonisation of all of Ireland.
There are 450,000 people unemployed in Ireland.

Using EU cultural protection law, it should be possible to bring in a directive whereby all British adverts on all domestic Irish Radio and TV channels have to be dubbed with Irish voices and accents, to boost Irish Advertising revenue and creativity, and to provide employment for Irish actors, voice over, visual and animation artists.

I think this might be satire, trouble is on p.ie you can never be entirely sure.

lawhec

mike65 wrote: »

P.ie is well known for its nationalist/anti-British head-the-balls <snip>

Fixed. :P

BrianD

The poster realises the importance of broadcasting as a form of cultural expression - which it is and an important one. He correctly identifies a problem that any small nation in the 21st century is experiencing the globalisation of culture which is led by the broadcasters and content creators in the larger markets.

Where he or she is wrong that we will not protect our culture through an 'isolation' policy like North Korea and some middle eastern countries have pursued. This won't work. We need to be actively encouraging it from within and using funding such as the licence fee to do so.

Mike 1972

There could also be some built-in mechanism whereby each household could separately deactivate any or all of the British TV channels if they so wished on this expanded Digital Terrestrial TV Service.

There already is

Its called "not watching them"

British advertising is also becoming the norm on Irish TV and provides no upside for Irish advertising agencies, creativity nor Irish actors.

"British advertising" was a lot more common on Irish TV 30 years ago.

Sam Russell

The OPs arguments could be put in much the same terms re the American effect on British culture through TV and films. There is a significant degredation of language and grammar that originates in the acceptance of American slang as correct English usage among those under, say, thirty. Furthermore, this degradation is increasing whereby the use of grunts and hand signals are used instead of words as the victims of this have such poor vocabulary that they are unable to express themselves in words.

However, culture is always spread from larger, more wealthy, to smaller, less wealthy, nations.

It was always thus. The ancient Greeks complained of it.

Elmo

Mike 1972 wrote: »

"British advertising" was a lot more common on Irish TV 30 years ago.

There was rule in the 1980s which did not allow Irish Products to have adverts produced in foreign territories, and many ads were dubbed to Irish accents. Bar notable ones e.g. Maxwell House (pity they didn't ban those ads).

My own issue would be the taking of Opt-Out advertising on Multinational channels. I often wonder how C4s opt-outs fair in reality where do they get their 3% share from? i.e. UPC, Sky, Spillover or Satellite?

I use the words foreign and Multinational to avoid being branded as anti-British, however I may have more republican leanings than most here on boards.ie

icdg

I've a mind to close this thread, but I won't. But keep the politics for Politics unless it is directly related to broadcasting.

Mike 1972

Elmo wrote: »

There was rule in the 1980s which did not allow Irish Products to have adverts produced in foreign territories

Who was responsible for this "rule" (RTE/Government/Unions) ?

Wasnt this pretty dubious under EU(/EEC) law ?

Elmo

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Who was responsible for this "rule" (RTE/Government/Unions) ?

Wasnt this pretty dubious under EU(/EEC) law ?

Those pesky union looking to retain Irish jobs in a recession. Grrr. Also Do Cultural productions not have some exemptions under International Law. E.g. That the Austrialians and Europeans all have an specific amount of Home production on TV channels. I would hate to see Section 481 get the chop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-Nz9sBjs3o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btqSxlUJyxo

Prob produced by foreigners. :rolleyes:

Interesting from C21

Estonian TV turns away from US 9 May 2011

THE C21 INTERVIEW: Toomas Luhats, acquisitions executive at Estonian Television, tells C21TV he is buying less US programming because of its prominence on the region's emerging digital channels.

It is also good to point out that the Irish Broadcasters have always had a strong Anglo-american mix with a bit of Irish thrown in. The politics posters is abit OTT TBH but in away in terms of productions the regulator could impose 100% Irish productions on RTÉ One, 50% in Prime Time RTÉ 2 and TG4 as they currently require TV3 to have 30% programmes from Ireland (unfortunate that has become IrelandAM, MidMorning and the Afternoon Show).

PSB have always chosen strong programming followed by weak programming followed by strong programming, while I disagree with RTÉ's acquisition of EastEnders it does bring audience to the channel, and it is unlikely that RTÉ could afford 4 nights of Gelroe even with high audience shares.

I think most posters here agree without the rampant disregard for English Telly that a strong Irish produced prime time is far more important that one completely taken over by US/English imports.

Look at English writers for example any that I have met have written for EastEnders, Casulty, Holby City, The Bill, Coronation St. etc while Austrialians have written for Home & Away, Neighours, Breakers, A Country Practice and many american writers have come from Daytime soap. Ireland doesn't have that kind of significant writing experience bar Fair City and Ros Na Run thus I have found both TG4 and RTÉ's stronger mini-serials weaker in parts.

However I would hate to see RTÉ or TG4 go down the road of nonstop lifestyle programming ala TV3.

lawhec

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Who was responsible for this "rule" (RTE/Government/Unions) ?

Wasnt this pretty dubious under EU(/EEC) law ?

I would say that during the 1980's EEC rules on such matters probably wouldn't have cared too much about it, especially if it was taken in a cultural context.

beanie.

mike65 wrote: »

I think this might be satire, trouble is on p.ie you can never be entirely sure.

I'm afraid it wasn't satire, but a post from a wannabe presidential candidate.
http://www.politics.ie/elections/159885-president-mulqueen-website-now-live.html
(^^^Funny thread^^^)

Hotblack Desiato

Elmo wrote: »

Those pesky union looking to retain Irish jobs in a recession. Grrr.

The problem is that protectionism never works, well perhaps for a few in the protected industries it does but everyone else has to pay for it.

Does anyone remember Tuf shoes?

It was well into the 1990s before we really shook the protectionist mindset off (even though the single market came in in 1992.)

The politics posters is abit OTT TBH but in away in terms of productions the regulator could impose 100% Irish productions on RTÉ One, 50% in Prime Time RTÉ 2 and TG4 as they currently require TV3 to have 30% programmes from Ireland (unfortunate that has become IrelandAM, MidMorning and the Afternoon Show).

You pretty much answer your own question Elmo.

Quotas lead to cheap rubbish programming. It was tried in British cinemas in the 1930s and it almost led to the total extinction of the film industry there, through Hollywood-financed, UK-produced quota-filling garbage.

The French like their cultural quotas, has that led to innovative internationally competitive, widely exported TV programming, or 'worthy but dull' interspersed with cheap home-produced filler?

PSB have always chosen strong programming followed by weak programming followed by strong programming, while I disagree with RTÉ's acquisition of EastEnders it does bring audience to the channel, and it is unlikely that RTÉ could afford 4 nights of Gelroe even with high audience shares.

Marquee programming is always required. Even if RTE could afford to produce wall-to-wall Prime Time Investigates, after the first couple of programmes a week who would be watching?

I think most posters here agree without the rampant disregard for English Telly that a strong Irish produced prime time is far more important that one completely taken over by US/English imports.

How can you presume to speak for 'most posters here' ?

Ask yourself, why are UK channels so popular here? Why (even on Irish TV) are UK/US/Aus shows so popular here? It's pretty obvious really.

Elmo

ninja900 wrote: »

The problem is that protectionism never works, well perhaps for a few in the protected industries it does but everyone else has to pay for it.

Does anyone remember Tuf shoes?

It was well into the 1990s before we really shook the protectionist mindset off (even though the single market came in in 1992.).

While the Australians do make many dire dramas, the commercial operators all say only because of the regulators insistence that there be a certain amount of drama coming from Australia that they would have seen revenues come from places other than just advertising. Australian television sells aboard and that little piece of protectionism worked to the benefit of the Australian TV market (at least in terms of money).

Also the point about Advertising in Ireland was the creativity prospects provided. You will agree (maybe not) that both ads posted here are 2 of the best from the 1980s. To allow advertising skills simply run out of the country is not good (writing, editing, producing etc), however advertising is currently dreadful at the moment, little of it produced in Ireland bar City Channel ads.

You pretty much answer your own question Elmo.

Quotas lead to cheap rubbish programming. It was tried in British cinemas in the 1930s and it almost led to the total extinction of the film industry there, through Hollywood-financed, UK-produced quota-filling garbage.

The French like their cultural quotas, has that led to innovative internationally competitive, widely exported TV programming, or 'worthy but dull' interspersed with cheap home-produced filler?

Problem in Ireland has been that the regulator has pretty much left Irish channel decide themselves how to make up that quota. TV3 do this with cheap fair but insist on telling the regulator that they have 40% Irish programming on the air. In other words it is cheap but we are doing it and meeting those quotes. The regulator should of course ask for quotas in various different programming areas, rather than just settling for just one genre of Lifestyle programming.

French and British cinema was also effected by both World Wars, while the Americans were bring in Coca-Cola to their troops.

Marquee programming is always required. Even if RTE could afford to produce wall-to-wall Prime Time Investigates, after the first couple of programmes a week who would be watching?

Yeah that was my point, while I disagree with EastEnders its unlikely that RTÉ could afford to replace it with Glenroe 4 nights a week, something that would bring in the same viewers but wouldn't have a return. A return used to help pay for programmes such as Prime Time Investigates.

How can you presume to speak for 'most posters here' ?

Ask yourself, why are UK channels so popular here? Why (even on Irish TV) are UK/US/Aus shows so popular here? It's pretty obvious really.

Sorry for talking about other posters let me rephrase. Cheap Daytime TV is unnecessary and all broadcasters should look towards quality prime time produced programming which would allow for a strong televisual industry.

Irish viewers tend to watch american TV, the main English channels make up just 14% of the audience share. No reason why such imports can't be viewed on an Irish broadcaster, only problem is we're saturated with English and Multinational companies whom seem to be protected by UPC and Sky.

As I said I was not completely disregarding Imported TV. But you can pick and choose everything that I did say if you really want.