10/22 or 597

whiteley91

Im thinking of getting a rifle for myself and dont know which to get. I am looking for a .22lr semi auto rifle for plinking and maybe abit of hunting too. I want something cheap and cheerful to do on the summer evenings! Do you have to have garda permission to modify the rifle such as new stock, new hammer or trigger? And also my dad has a .22 magnum i was wondering when i apply for my license for my .22lr can i put his .22 magnum on it as well as a joint owner?

Glensman

Don't get the 597. It's ugly and has awful feed issues.

Get the 10/22 and you wont look back. Preferrably get a second hand one and get a look at how accurate it is before you buy- some of them are belters, others aren't great!

cavan shooter

I had a rem 597 in 22 magnum and found it very good no issues, as I only ever used it on foxes and rabbits the most bullets I fed into the clip was 5 or 6. The old plastic mags should be gone which caused alot of issues are gone but make sure you check.

Accuracy is better than a bog standard 10/22.

I also have a 10/22 Deluxe Sporter, in 22 lr, dinger of a rifle and accurate to boot. I couldnt get a 597 in stainless hence I went for the ruger, also I am becoming a tweek freak:D

Glensman

cavan shooter wrote: »

also I am becoming a tweek freak:D

That's just un-avoidable!!!

whiteley91

what would be a fair price for a 10/22 and to get mounts put on so it can accept a bipod? Im a student so money is a big factor! and does anyone know anything about the legality of modifying parts?

Glensman

whiteley91 wrote: »

what would be a fair price for a 10/22 and to get mounts put on so it can accept a bipod? Im a student so money is a big factor! and does anyone know anything about the legality of modifying parts?

There are a number of SH 10/22's around the country. You're looking at about €400 and it should have the QD studs for a bi-pod, if not it will be an extra fiver. But the shop will normally fit them for no extra charge.

You're looking at another €200 for an average new scope or a decent SH one. I would always recommend going SH on the scope...

whiteley91

Iv seen bipods on this go from around 100 so i presume thats about what ill be paying for that too? by any chance do you know where around kildare / carlow region i could get spare magazines and custom parts?

clivej

whiteley91 wrote: »

Iv seen bipods on this go from around 100 so i presume thats about what ill be paying for that too? by any chance do you know where around kildare / carlow region i could get spare magazines and custom parts?

Try Atlantic Sports the gun shop in Carlow for the ruger mags. He will have a couple of ruger 10/22 rifles in stock soon along with the one he now has in stock.

cavan shooter

whiteley91 wrote: »

what would be a fair price for a 10/22 and to get mounts put on so it can accept a bipod? Im a student so money is a big factor! and does anyone know anything about the legality of modifying parts?

A new bog standard 10/22 should be around €350. I have a 4 x 32 Nikko Sterling Mount master on my DSP it cost approx €40. Harris bi pod was around €100 but you can make do as I did as a kid with a couple of 1/2 inch dowls

whiteley91

cool thanks a mill lads will pop into his shop next week and see what he has for me! Try and get myself a good package! dont want to pay way excessive money for abit of fun for the evenings!:D

shane32819

disagree about the 597. its a great gun. ive had no issues with it. not as many 'upgrades' available but those that are available are well worth it. check out this link...

http://tfrwiki.midworld.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Remington_597_Modifications_Guide

Traumadoc

Had a 597, lost it to a product recall, no loss TBH,
The magazine feed issues were annoying. The rotary magazine on the 10/22 is brilliant.

whiteley91

judging by the replies about the 597 its hit or miss with them if you get a good one? think ill go with the 10/22 people have had better experiences with it and loads people know how to fix them

sadib888

1. Semi-Auto - The Ruger 10/22 is great. There is a ton of info, and spare/aftermarket parts for it available. You can buy a stock one and then upgrade every component on it and really build it anyway you want.

daveob007

I still use my 597 and it does suffer from feeding problems.
but its a very accurate gun and cheap at 350 new,probably not good enough for competition due to feeding issue but as a hunter/plinker its great.

whiteley91

which would be more accurate out of the two rifles? standard barrels and same ammo and same scope! just bog standard which is a better rifle for accuracy and reliability?

shane32819

from what ive read on the net, reviews wise, the 597 seems to be more accurate out of the box. but i could stand corrected on this!

bunny shooter

whiteley91 wrote: »

which would be more accurate out of the two rifles? standard barrels and same ammo and same scope! just bog standard which is a better rifle for accuracy and reliability?

597 all the way

shanmoll308

Hey White

If you want accuracy and reliability, I recommend you get yourself a bolt action .22 any of the CZ's would be a good choice or instead of shooting you will be spending your summer's evenings stripping down your semiautomatic rifle, cleaning it, and trying to get it to funcion reliably.

Shanmoll308

whiteley91

well im looking for a semi auto cos my dad owns a .22 wmr bolt action and i want a semi auto for abit fun with targets and very cheap shooting! have a budget of about 450-500ish?! so these two rifles kinda slot into this range

clivej

I'm in the market for a Ruger (clone) 10/22 and have sold my great grouping CZ varmint 22lr to fund to new rifle.
I was loking at a friends Volquartsen 10/22 (Ruger clone) shooting under 1/4" @25m on Saturday. They will shoot tight groups.

Glensman

I was out with my Ruger 10/22T this evening. 6 rabbits, all head-shots...

They are much more accurate than people think; although I used to have an up-rated trigger unit, I think now that I am working I'll get another

daveob007

i used my 597 at the range and was able to get a 3 inch group at 50ms,not sure how good that is in relation to th 10/22 or others or whether i am a good or average shot.
the 597 is a bitch to strip and clean because of the 2 bolt retaining rods and the trigger mechanism has to be unscrewed for secure storage.
i prefer the simple pin removal to remove the mechanism but its not a huge deal.
overall i am happy with mine and it does its job very well.

clivej

daveob007 wrote: »

i used my 597 at the range and was able to get a 3 inch group at 50ms,not sure how good that is in relation to th 10/22 or others or whether i am a good or average shot.
the 597 is a bitch to strip and clean because of the 2 bolt retaining rods and the trigger mechanism has to be unscrewed for secure storage.
i prefer the simple pin removal to remove the mechanism but its not a huge deal.
overall i am happy with mine and it does its job very well.

3" @ 50m that's not too hot in fact a good chance of a miss on a rabbit.
I've got a 10/22 custom sorted from the uk and if it don't shoot at least 3/4" @50m it'll be getting the heave Ho

Glensman

clivej wrote: »

3" @ 50m that's not too hot in fact a good chance of a miss on a rabbit.
I've got a 10/22 custom sorted from the uk and if it don't shoot at least 3/4" @50m it'll be getting the heave Ho

It will!

My 10/22 T is doing that with standard barrel and trigger... It's doing no better though with the ammo i'm using. I would say yours will shoot 1/2.
I doubt if much better than 1/2" can be achieved with a .22lr.

It wasn't me!

Glensman wrote: »

I doubt if much better than 1/2" can be achieved with a .22lr.

Ye of little faith.



Five shots prone, off the sling, with iron sights.

Glensman

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Ye of little faith.



Five shots prone, off the sling, with iron sights.

That looks about 1/2" to me!!!

and you're cheating using one of those silly old-fashioned bolt-actions

It wasn't me!

Glensman wrote: »

That looks about 1/2" to me!!!

and you're cheating using one of those silly old-fashioned bolt-actions

That's under half an inch. The ten ring is 10.4mm, more like .35-.4 inches. And I think any cheating argument is mitigated by it being iron sights!

whiteley91

ha thats a nice bit of shooting alright!
on a separate note how long would you think it would take to get the license? ruger 10/22 for a 19 year old on first license? no criminal record or anything like that and in rdf awhile now too? for hunting and have two land owners permission

shane32819

shouldnt be any problem, but it can depend on your local super or fo. they have up to 3 months to decide on the matter

whiteley91

awh right thanks for that! hope it wont take too long anyway i want to get out and about! anyone know where to get a bolt release, mag release and bolt handle for the ruger? anyone in ireland do them and how much if you know off hand!

Glensman

whiteley91 wrote: »

awh right thanks for that! hope it wont take too long anyway i want to get out and about! anyone know where to get a bolt release, mag release and bolt handle for the ruger? anyone in ireland do them and how much if you know off hand!

I wouldn't bother with any of them.
You very rarely use the bolt release and the factory one is fine for all the times you lock the bolt.

Extended mag releases other than the Ruger T one can cause the mag to be released by accident when you're climbing fences and the like- leaving you looking for you mag.

If you want to make an upgrade save up for a Trgger upgrade, a lot of the other things are gimmicks- and the likes of the Volquartsen TG2000 has an extended mag release incorporated.

I have the Ruger 10/22T which has extended mag release, I would rather the original flush one like on my 77/22 and my mates 10/22.

whiteley91

thanks for that! will certainly do that. Would 800 seem right for a new 10/22 tactical? target barrel and bipod not sure if scope comes with it tho?

clivej

whiteley91 wrote: »

thanks for that! will certainly do that. Would 800 seem right for a new 10/22 tactical? target barrel and bipod not sure if scope comes with it tho?

No that's to much. €650 is more than enough to pay and I could get one for €615 and that's the 10/22 tactical one with mount and bi-pod. They were due in stock in the Carlow dealers

whiteley91

jasus thats a big difference alright! Thats the price i got told for a new tactical? and close to 900 for stainless barrel model?

oh wait now i think i might have an idea why its more expensive! its a laminate stock with thumb hole! adds abit of money to the equation

ace86

I had a 597 myself. was my 1st rifle was a good accurate rifle but the feeding problems were there too and i believed it to be the weak spring in the magazine.I also found there was alittle bite in the trigger but maybe its in all remingtons. cleaning was hard alright i found the remington round left alot of brass specs in the breech and around the firing mechanism that annoyed me personally. i shot a few crows out to 80 yrds roughly with it and i was hitting a 1"1/2 group at a 100yrds when i was zeroing it.

whiteley91

Yea i have been reading online about the 597 and that they have very bad feeding problems which was caused by there magazines being plastic but there standard model is 'supposed' to be more accurate out of the box compared with the 10/22.
i think it just comes down to the fact that the 597 is a good gun for someone who likes to have a rifle and not modify it at all and keep it original and the ruger is for someone who likes to tinker around and see how things work and swap out parts? seems more of a DIY gun in some aspects. although some things should only be done by a gun-smith!