Stop wasting time Finian !

Fulton Crown

Finian McGrath Independant TD for Dublin is reported as putting down a parliamentary question regarding the smoking area of his local.

Apparently according to the HSE it does not conform to standard and Finian accuses the HSE of harrassing small business !

Hold on now Finian have you nothing better to do ?

This is typical parish pump politics and should be outed at every opportunity.

This type of stuff is not what you were elected for Finian....the publican should know the rules and regulations...or are you advocating that the regulations should be ignored.....like the ...uh...Banks ?

hardCopy

Fulton Crown wrote: »

Finian McGrath Independant TD for Dublin is reported as putting down a parliamentary question regarding the smoking area of his local.

Apparently according to the HSE it does not conform to standard and Finian accuses the HSE of harrassing small business !

Hold on now Finian have you nothing better to do ?

This is typical parish pump politics and should be outed at every opportunity.

This type of stuff is not what you were elected for Finian....the publican should know the rules and regulations...or are you advocating that the regulations should be ignored.....like the ...uh...Banks ?

Which pub is that? I live in his constituency and a lot of the smoking areas could barely be classified as outdoors.

Bit of a strange one since he ran on a health platform.

Corsendonk

hardCopy wrote: »

Which pub is that? I live in his constituency and a lot of the smoking areas could barely be classified as outdoors.

Bit of a strange one since he ran on a health platform.

The Goose Tavern

raymon

Corsendonk wrote: »

The Goose Tavern

This was very disappointing .

Smoking laws were designed to stop employees from getting cancer.

Finian goes down a few notches in the credibility stakes

Fulton Crown

Not really dissapointing !

Surely we should know by now that a significant rump of our public reps are nothing but self aggrandising gombeen men.

Think the worm is turning a bit though and some people are copping on...Senator Donie lost his Senate seat ...at least now "Mammy" and himself are history.

hatz7

oh don't be so bitter, I'm sure he was asked by somebody to make a representation and he obliged. Whats wrong with that?

Sierra Oscar

hatz7 wrote: »

oh don't be so bitter, I'm sure he was asked by somebody to make a representation and he obliged. Whats wrong with that?

I would imagine some of the local Councillors could have raised the issue with the HSE directly - is there really a need for the Minister to answer a question in regards the smoking area of one pub in some corner of Dublin?

Besides what is the Minister going to do? Get someone to contact the HSE. Something a councillor could have done in the first instance.

Fulton Crown

hatz7 wrote: »

oh don't be so bitter, I'm sure he was asked by somebody to make a representation and he obliged. Whats wrong with that?

People like you pal ..that has these gimps the way they are.....maybe he was arsked to make a representation ?

What was the need for a monumental time wasting parliamentary question.?

Look at the facts pal....publican should know the regulations or he should not be in the business.

It would serve a lot of pub owners better if they realised they are in the hospitality industry...clear their counters of grumpy bad tempered ill mannered barmen and actually try to attract new custom.

Instead of trying to "stroke" the smoking regs with the help of goons like McGrath.

ArtSmart

maybe he's hoping Micheal Martin will ask him to join the republican party.

(ironic, since he introduce it!)

nuac

If the smoking area is not in accordance with regs, the HSE should object to the renewal of the pub licence next September. The District Judge would then decide the issue.

I gather there is a substantial cost in preparing answers to Parliamentary Questions. PQs should be screened by the Ceann Chómairle so that only those of some national importance have to be dealt with.

hatz7

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

I would imagine some of the local Councillors could have raised the issue with the HSE directly - is there really a need for the Minister to answer a question in regards the smoking area of one pub in some corner of Dublin?

Besides what is the Minister going to do? Get someone to contact the HSE. Something a councillor could have done in the first instance.

I imagine that some local councilman could have raised the issue, but there is far more prestige and there is a greater weight of importance when the matter is raised by a TD over a council man.

The question while raised on behalf of one pub also as the effect of representing all the pubs in the country that have issues with the smoking ban/HSE.

The question raised was not a waste of time by any means.

hatz7

Fulton Crown wrote: »

People like you pal ..that has these gimps the way they are.....maybe he was arsked to make a representation ?

What was the need for a monumental time wasting parliamentary question.?

Look at the facts pal....publican should know the regulations or he should not be in the business.

It would serve a lot of pub owners better if they realised they are in the hospitality industry...clear their counters of grumpy bad tempered ill mannered barmen and actually try to attract new custom.

Instead of trying to "stroke" the smoking regs with the help of goons like McGrath.

Well, first of all, 'in your opinion' the question raised, was a monumental waste of time, I would differ in my opinion.

I am aware of the facts and conclude that the publican was well within his rights to go to his local TD and have the matter raised in the Dail.

He has made a valid case that the HSE is overstepping its remit in some of the decisions they have made about smoking areas in pubs.

It costs money to do those sort of renovations and the HSE can at will just come in and say, not good enough, shut the smoking area down, its too arbitrary, not how we do things in this country.

If you think that question was a waste of time, then you have no idea of some of the other questions that have been raised in Dail Eireann, down through the years.

reprazant

hatz7 wrote: »

It costs money to do those sort of renovations and the HSE can at will just come in and say, not good enough, shut the smoking area down, its too arbitrary, not how we do things in this country.

If you are going to spend money on renovations, you should really ensure that the renovations meet the required standards.

The rules are not arbitrary, they are there quite specific. If the pub did not aheer to them, it is the pubs fault, not the HSE.

Unless you are saying that rules are too arbitrary and that following them is not what we do in this country?

RandolphEsq

hatz7 wrote: »

Well, first of all, 'in your opinion' the question raised, was a monumental waste of time, I would differ in my opinion.

I am aware of the facts and conclude that the publican was well within his rights to go to his local TD and have the matter raised in the Dail.

He has made a valid case that the HSE is overstepping its remit in some of the decisions they have made about smoking areas in pubs.

It costs money to do those sort of renovations and the HSE can at will just come in and say, not good enough, shut the smoking area down, its too arbitrary, not how we do things in this country.

If you think that question was a waste of time, then you have no idea of some of the other questions that have been raised in Dail Eireann, down through the years.

The smoking ban has been in for years; plenty of time to have set up a proper smoking area. They are not complying with the law, and when they got called up on it they play the 'harassing small business' card. No backbone publicans have

raymon

hatz7 wrote: »

If you think that question was a waste of time, then you have no idea of some of the other questions that have been raised in Dail Eireann, down through the years.

There is no difference between this Barstool politics and parish pump politics. Lowry , healy raes and o Donohue are all or were at it!!

Nobody elected Mcgrath to fight for a smoking area in the Mucky Goose pub or whatever the name was.

This man is abusing his position and letting down the voters.