Have You heard about basketball league called EFBL?

Basketball Fan

Hi guys. There is the question:
Have anyone of You heard about new county Dublin basketball league called EFBL (European Friendly Basketball League)? I found that they based all over Dublin, and are much more better than DMBB (Dublin Mens Basketball League). One of my friends team playing in that league, and he told me that is one of the best leagues were he was playing, have a cash prizes, holidays packs and etc. they have a website called www.efbl.ie . Did anyone other heard same as me?

Da GOAT

can Irish people play? Most see this as a eastern european league only and wanted to not gel with the current Irish league. Bit of a shame.

Basketball Fan

I also asked that irish playrs can play or not, the answer was that every nationality people and teams are invited to join their league. They advertised that they have min. guaranteed cash prize for winnners 1500 euro, i just checked on their web, its saying 1840 euro and still growing. not bad why they would need to join lets say DMBB if EFBL is in the higher level?

For Forks Sake

Basketball Fan wrote: »

I also asked that irish playrs can play or not, the answer was that every nationality people and teams are invited to join their league.

Having looked through the rosters of all the teams on the website, I see one Irish player from all the teams. Hardly inclusive is it?

I play with a team in the midlands league, our squad is about 40% Irish, 40% Lithuanian and the rest various eastern european nationalities.

WHIP IT!

How long would it take an (unofficially) 'Paddy-only' league to make the front page of the Herald and have all the participants branded Nazis??

For Forks Sake

WHIP IT! wrote: »

How long would it take an (unofficially) 'Paddy-only' league to make the front page of the Herald and have all the participants branded Nazis??

3 days. Max.

killwill

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Having looked through the rosters of all the teams on the website, I see one Irish player from all the teams. Hardly inclusive is it?

I play with a team in the midlands league, our squad is about 40% Irish, 40% Lithuanian and the rest various eastern european nationalities.

Who do you play with? I used to play with Newport many moons ago.

Kinetic^

Basketball Fan wrote: »

better than DMBB (Dublin Mens Basketball League).

No they are not.

Da GOAT

Kinetic^ wrote: »

No they are not.

yea that part was funny. granted theres 5 leagues but the rule where some superleague players must play for a link club also shows standard is better.

basically the euro league is a social network for foreign players, and thats cool but not on par with dmbb stnadard

Xrox

One of the lads on my college both plays and coaches in this league and he has recruited 4 Irish players to his team.

The league is far better organised than the Dublin league (check out there website) eventhough it is more a socail league (at the moment) with a very high standard of play and is in no way Eastern European only. There is no club prejudice which is rampant in the dublin league at the coaching, and refering levels.

From what i have seen the standard of play from the top teams can be much higher than most teams in the dublin league but not yet on par to the top 3 or 4 teams in the Div1. But bear in mind this is a spanking new league and it has surpassed the DMBB League in so many aspects already give them time and the teams will also pass out the best dublin league teams.

WHIP IT!

Xrox wrote: »

bear in mind this is a spanking new league and it has surpassed the DMBB League in so many aspects already give them time and the teams will also pass out the best dublin league teams.

Well, now that you've wrote it on the internet - it must be true, right?? :rolleyes:

Basketball Fan

I agree with Xrox. Maybe these guys are not irish, bet they doing their job well, seen last game, its very high standart. Photographers making pictures, wallpapers there is few of them http://efbl.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/EFBL-dublin-mens-basketball-league-Mantas-Lygutas-2011.jpg
http://efbl.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/M.-Petruzis-Silas-Basketball-Team-EFBL-2011.jpg
. OMG when DMBB will care about their players even half what these fellas does

elpistolero

What is the standard of basketball in the dublin league like? Much difference between division 1 and 5?

Xrox

WHIP IT! wrote: »

Well, now that you've wrote it on the internet - it must be true, right?? :rolleyes:

How about besides just being sarcastic for the sake of it you go check out the league and judge for yourself.

And as for the above question yes there is a huge difference between div5 and div1 in the dublin league.

uppercut1

<<Maybe these guys are not irish, bet they doing their job well>>... ? Man, most of those guys are from the country where basketball is playing on every coner. I can`t see the same here in Ireland. With all the respect to Irish Rugby team or football, the basketball level in Ireland is very low yet...

WHIP IT!

uppercut1 wrote: »

<<Maybe these guys are not irish, bet they doing their job well>>... ? Man, most of those guys are from the country where basketball is playing on every coner. I can`t see the same here in Ireland. With all the respect to Irish Rugby team or football, the basketball level in Ireland is very low yet...

So the indigenous population is not welcome or up to the high standards?

Sea Devils

uppercut1 wrote: »

With all the respect to Irish Rugby team or football, the basketball level in Ireland is very low yet...

And how many Irish Basketball games have you watched to have come to this conclusion?

Da GOAT

in what way is it better organised?? prize pool and a nice website?

Doesnt appear to have much else going for it.

in what way is it hard for a euro player to join a dmbb team.

I dont see the euro league getting the best players until they pay dmbb for the superleague rights along with the internationals.

Xrox

Well it is organised as in the refs turn up on time, you have more than one ref at every game, gyms are booked for the correct length of time to run a complete game, teams show up for their games all of which are problems which i have expereinced in the DMBB as both a player and a coach.

Also on the organisation front they actively seek sponsorship for the league and individual teams which lessens the cost on the players themselves.

I agree it isnt hard for european players to join DMBB and in fact i can think of 5 who currently play in the EFBL that have in the past or who are currently starting on Div1 Dublin League teams some have represented these clubs in the irish national league. Also alot of the teams have been in the past part of the DMBB (some might still be but im not sure)

As for the best players in the league its not important to have the best irish players or international players as the majority of them play super league but an organised friendly league which is highly competitive can only stand to improve the standard of basketball in Ireland.

Hopefully we can learn from this league and take what is good in it, as irish basketball does need to improve and looking at the european model (which has succeeded) could aid in the strengthing of the game here.

Lets not forget irish basketball has been badly run for a long time remember back to when we lost adidas sponsorhip because we ran adds with players in nike runners!! and at the moment we have no real international presence as teams have been withdrawn.

So just be open to recognising our flaws in certain aspects and try to improve them (hopefully with some euro help). :P

Da GOAT

i totally agree dmbb is run like crap tho too

uppercut1

Guys, I was talking only about the basketball... it`s sad when total basketball level is so low when country has so many talented players.
P.S. And all the indegenous people are more than wellcome to compete in efbl championship.

Basketball Fan

I remember when we joined DMBB and our squad won 2nd place. Received blue teeshirts with blue DMBB logo it was crazy. There is no point to play in DMBB, when You have no oportunities. Tell me when the last time even superleague had all - stars day? I cant remember.. When we had national team? when the last time europe heard about us?
dublins div. 1 and all the rest referees, you lucky if two referees show up, not talking about performance. You can understand referees, they getting twice lower, then in EFBL. They does their job very well in there, becouse someone cares about them as well. Never had late payments and etc. (one of my friends ref. in their league).
New basketball rules applied for all europe two years ago, in here its only from next season? wtf? Who is resonsible for that?
Its so many great players we have, under 18, under 20 who could stand for country in europe, and probably would be in top 8, but lets open our eyes - nobody cares.
Our squad also thinking next season to join more social league, where someone shows for You respect.

Basketball Fan

Kinetic^

Basketball Fan wrote: »

I remember when we joined DMBB and our squad won 2nd place. Received blue teeshirts with blue DMBB logo it was crazy. There is no point to play in DMBB, when You have no oportunities. Tell me when the last time even superleague had all - stars day? I cant remember.. When we had national team? when the last time europe heard about us?
dublins div. 1 and all the rest referees, you lucky if two referees show up, not talking about performance. You can understand referees, they getting twice lower, then in EFBL. They does their job very well in there, becouse someone cares about them as well. Never had late payments and etc. (one of my friends ref. in their league).
New basketball rules applied for all europe two years ago, in here its only from next season? wtf? Who is resonsible for that?
Its so many great players we have, under 18, under 20 who could stand for country in europe, and probably would be in top 8, but lets open our eyes - nobody cares.
Our squad also thinking next season to join more social league, where someone shows for You respect.

In case you didn't know, there's currently little or no funding in the country for anything, never mind an amateur sport like basketball that is down the pecking order after Soccer, GAA football/hurling and Rugby.

There is no point in fragmenting the small community within basketball by creating another league/organisation.

Basketball Fan

Thats why basketball is not growing in the country. You with your minds are one of the examples why everything needs to be changed. Just wrong persons managing basketball in the country - and we see result. Hopefully everything will change soon. There is a fundings but nobody cares, becouse nobody wants to work. Its easiest way to say, sorry guys, no fundings - no basketball.

Kinetic^

You have 1 league with 10 teams, DMBB have 18 leagues with about 40 clubs who participate at multiple levels in those leagues. There's a big difference between the organisations and the administration costs of both.

How are you promoting the game amongst youth? How do you plan on handling leagues from under 11 all the way up to under 20, then Div 1 -5 for seniors? Have you got a sponsor to cover the logistics cost of managing 18 leagues and the referees to attend over 100 games every month? How are you going to promote the league to non Lithuanian people when they're going to trust an organisation like DMBB who has been around for many years over some new league that seems to be dominated by 1 nationality? How are you going to break the relationship of players and coaches from school teams who will possibly have that coach involved in their club?

Basketball Fan

You missing the point man. This is not about size of organisation, but about basketball quality, communication skills and all other stuff both oranisations providing.
Its same as i would have 20 crap cars, and someone only one, but nice ferrari. What would we choose? :eek:

Kinetic^

Basketball Fan wrote: »

You missing the point man. This is not about size of organisation, but about basketball quality, communication skills and all other stuff both oranisations providing.
Its same as i would have 20 crap cars, and someone only one, but nice ferrari. What would we choose? :eek:

So you've no actual plan on promoting the sport of basketball, just what I had thought. It's cool though, that 1 league will really do wonders for the sport here in Ireland. :rolleyes:

eagle eye

Xrox wrote: »

Well it is organised as in the refs turn up on time, you have more than one ref at every game, gyms are booked for the correct length of time to run a complete game, teams show up for their games all of which are problems which i have expereinced in the DMBB as both a player and a coach.

Also on the organisation front they actively seek sponsorship for the league and individual teams which lessens the cost on the players themselves.

I agree it isnt hard for european players to join DMBB and in fact i can think of 5 who currently play in the EFBL that have in the past or who are currently starting on Div1 Dublin League teams some have represented these clubs in the irish national league. Also alot of the teams have been in the past part of the DMBB (some might still be but im not sure)

As for the best players in the league its not important to have the best irish players or international players as the majority of them play super league but an organised friendly league which is highly competitive can only stand to improve the standard of basketball in Ireland.

Hopefully we can learn from this league and take what is good in it, as irish basketball does need to improve and looking at the european model (which has succeeded) could aid in the strengthing of the game here.

Lets not forget irish basketball has been badly run for a long time remember back to when we lost adidas sponsorhip because we ran adds with players in nike runners!! and at the moment we have no real international presence as teams have been withdrawn.

So just be open to recognising our flaws in certain aspects and try to improve them (hopefully with some euro help). :P

Excellent post. Another league will only help to improve things. Its a kick in the backside to the other league if the newer league starts to grow. And Basketball in this country has been stuck in a rut for a while now.

I can't see any harm in this. Hopefully in time the two leagues can come together and learn from one another.

peteb2

You having a laugh basketball fan? These referees, who exactly are they affiliated to? FIBA? Doubt it! Any player on a court thinks they can ref, doesn't mean they can though.

Promotion? Damn dude, anyone can setup a nice website and run one league. Even I could. But its only a matter of time before I get bored and lose my enthusiasm! And after a few years it dies. Let us know how many show up for the "all-star" day!

Dedication? I see from the website that one of the games was cancelled in December and moved to February cos it clashed with the Xmas party!:rolleyes:

Basketball Fan

You know peteb2 You are funny guy. You probably one of these who before something started starts to think about ending thats why not moving anything at all. Thats why probably new leagues opening. And its a good thing, litle kick for the others. :rolleyes:

peteb2

Yeah I'm fricking hilarious! As someone already said there isn't enough space in Dublin for two leagues. You complained in an earlier post that European rules hadnt come in here - but EFBL's site says they play to their own regulstions. Which aren't mentioned anywhere.

The thing with established leagues that are affiliated to governing sports bodies is that there is a continuity and governance. If there is a problem with a player, there is a discipliniary body that sorts it. If there is a ruling issue, it can be referred to someone. Etc. Etc. I see a number of players are fined as a result of technical fouls and can't come back playing until they pay the fine??? No wonder the "prize pot" is rising!

You didnt like the DMBB t-shirt prize? Personally I loved them. What were you a wanting? A medal? Like on a school sports day? Did you think you were pro and should be getting a cash prize? If you want to play for the big buck I hear Miami were dishing out large contracts for player up their own a*se!

Basketball Fan

You want to say that DMBB playing by FIBA rules? 8 minutes quarter? Or only one ref in a game? Or zero support? Players statistics and ranking? Secretary? wtf You are talking about boy? Basketball players You want to say someone cares about them? Dont lie for yourself.

peteb2

No. I never said that DMBB played with FIBA rules. If you knew anything about the rules, you would know it is up to each country's governing body to implement their own rules locally. The only time FIBA rules have to be complied with.

I'm sorry. As a player I have no interest in seeing my stats up online. Like I said, no-one is going pro here so what do you expect? You obviously don't want to enter a team in the DMBB league because there are too many rules for you!

Stats? Secretary? What the hell are you talking about? If you want someone that cares ask someone for a hug!

phil

Can we keep this relatively civil?

I don't see the harm in a little competition within Dublin/Ireland on the basketball front. There are most definitely things this league is doing better than the DMBB. Issue is could it scale, lot easier to do it for one league with a smaller number of teams.

Sometimes it takes a little bit of competition to give people an impetus to do things better or we all sit on our laurels maintaining the status quo.

Kinetic^

You might see some of the court in that league Phil!

BRM

I thought there was some rule about superleague players playing in the EFBL? There were at least 4 superleague players in the EFBL final today........

One of the main advantages in DMBB is player registration – every effort is made to stop higher division players dropping down to play in “final games”

It happened in cup basketball a lot in the DMBB in the past but recent rule changes have put a stop to this.

The EFBL reminds me of the “competitive” tag rugby leagues where ringers from other leagues/ex pro rugby players are brought in and a team goes from middle of the table to winning in the final games – its totally unfair on other teams competing.

Basketball Fan

BRM, mate, You still living in these dark 90's. DMBB has no advantages at all.

buyer95

Basketball Fan wrote: »

BRM, mate, You still living in these dark 90's. DMBB has no advantages at all.

These dark 90's you speak of. These wouldnt happen to be the best years of basketball this country has ever seen, as well as the 80's? I can assure you there was nothing dark about 90's top level basketball in Ireland