eddie o connor v christy cooney

rugerman

u probably all see the papers the last few days with christy slammin eddie over managers recieving payments .Id like to get a few opinions as to weather managers should or shouldnt be gettin money to train club teams.

Uncle Mclovin

Christ Cooney is a hypocrite. He's drawing down an annual salary of 150k a year for sitting on his fat arse and then trys to take the moral high ground.


It should be up to the individual County Boards whether or not they choose to pay for a management team.

premierstone

Uncle Mclovin wrote: »

Christ Cooney is a hypocrite. He's drawing down an annual salary of 150k a year for sitting on his fat arse and then trys to take the moral high ground.


It should be up to the individual County Boards whether or not they choose to pay for a management team.

He gets €150k a year because that is what he is on with FAS, if he was on minimum wage before being elected president then that is what he would get during he's term aswell.

Leaving it up to individual county baords is all well and good in theory but the reality is many county boards are nearing financial ruin as they are not prudent enough and it also leads to county boards choosing which game to prioritise, just look at the unfortunate situation in Cavan.

rebel girl 15

Pay managers expenses and nothing more - if the CB can afford to give a manager a job as a development officer or something that should be allowed.

Managing ones county is a dream for any coach out there - most would do it for free no problem. Any person in it for the money shouldn't be there, same as for club coaches. Bring in a set amount per mile they travel, reimburse them and pay them no more.

Martin567

premierstone wrote: »

He gets €150k a year because that is what he is on with FAS, if he was on minimum wage before being elected president then that is what he would get during he's term aswell.

Leaving it up to individual county baords is all well and good in theory but the reality is many county boards are nearing financial ruin as they are not prudent enough and it also leads to county boards choosing which game to prioritise, just look at the unfortunate situation in Cavan.

Do you not think there should be some sort of maximum figure that the President can receive (maybe €50-€60k)? If any President is not willing to work for that amount, he could then leave the job to someone who is. It seems wrong to me that there is such a disparity between the earnings of recent Presidents for doing the same job. I know why this is the case but I believe all Presidents should be paid the same for the period of their presidency.

After all, there is also a Chief Executive who is responsible for the day to day running of the GAA. Effectively, the President is really a figurehead albeit a very expensive one in this case. The rules should be changed.

premierstone

Martin567 wrote: »

Do you not think there should be some sort of maximum figure that the President can receive (maybe €50-€60k)? If any President is not willing to work for that amount, he could then leave the job to someone who is. It seems wrong to me that there is such a disparity between the earnings of recent Presidents for doing the same job. I know why this is the case but I believe all Presidents should be paid the same for the period of their presidency.

After all, there is also a Chief Executive who is responsible for the day to day running of the GAA. Effectively, the President is really a figurehead albeit a very expensive one in this case. The rules should be changed.

Possibly it is something that needs to be reviewed alright, but if the aim of the GAA is to get the best possible candidate in the job, and obviously this is the desire, then they cant expect that person to take a 50% + paycut to take the post, I think the figures shown in this case highlight more how farcical the salaries are in FAS rather than the GAA's policy of matching existing salaries.

Martin567

premierstone wrote: »

Possibly it is something that needs to be reviewed alright, but if the aim of the GAA is to get the best possible candidate in the job, and obviously this is the desire, then they cant expect that person to take a 50% + paycut to take the post, I think the figures shown in this case highlight more how farcical the salaries are in FAS rather than the GAA's policy of matching existing salaries.

Agreed. I've often wondered how anyone earning that pay level would have the time to make it to the very top of another organisation in what is effectively their spare time. Most people earning that sort of money would not expect to have very much spare time.

Henno30

The biggest problem with how Croke Park is portraying this issue is that lots and lots of clubs need outside coaches. This can be for lots of reasons. The primary reason however, is that lots of clubs desperately need to import expertise into their setups. Why? Because the coaching infrastructure within the GAA is pretty dreadful, and the majority of clubs tend to not have any qualified coaches, and in many cases they don't have any competent ones either.

The payment of expenses to outside coaches has evolved as a reaction to this deficit, and it is an elegant if imperfect solution. Croke Park meanwhile have came across once more as a crowd of buffoons completely removed from the reality of life in the organisation. Perhaps that's because they are buffoons, or perhaps it is because they are now completely committed to spinning issues whatever way they like in order to ram their agenda down the throat of the membership.

Toblerone1978

Absolutely not. I think it's a only a proper system that the incoming president does not financially gain or is financially penalised for taking the post.

If someone is on €150k in the gravy traing that is FAS, that's his luck and the problem lies with general civil service inefficiencies, as premierstone pointed out above. We might as well have him in the GAA doing something rather than in the barely functional FAS, we're paying for it one way or the other anyway!

Remember for most presidents, this is not a problem. And GAA president is one of the biggest jobs in the countries and requires good candidants, who are likely to be senior in their own job.

As a matter of interest, why should people think we should penalise them financially i.e. reduce their pay for the duration of presidency? And I'm somewhat confused why the issue of management payment got to do with what Christy is on in FAS. Remember, for Christy to get to where he is in the GAA, he would have done bucket loads of volunteer work, way more that what most people would do and for that, he's not gaining financially in taking the president post.

As a Kilkenny man, I used to love to watch Eddie O'Connor play, particularly for Glenmore. He had a great attacking style of play for a corner back. And he does have some good views on the GAA. However he needs to think a bit more before talking, particularly to the national media. And I wonder if there is some self-interest for Eddie!

Martin567

Toblerone1978 wrote: »

Remember, for Christy to get to where he is in the GAA, he would have done bucket loads of volunteer work, way more that what most people would do and for that, he's not gaining financially in taking the president post.

The above is of course true. My question is how someone on €150k p.a. has the spare time to do this volunteer work. In my experience, the more you're paid the more pressure you are under and the more demands there are on your time. I would expect someone on that salary to be in a very responsible position with constant demands from work. As the GAA is an amateur organisation, if someone else could perform his role just as well for a fraction of the cost, surely that would be better? Or are people saying that he is doing such a good job that nobody else could do it so well?

Toblerone1978

Martin567 wrote: »

My question is how someone on €150k p.a. has the spare time to do this volunteer work. In my experience, the more you're paid the more pressure you are under and the more demands there are on your time. I would expect someone on that salary to be in a very responsible position with constant demands from work.

I have no idea about his performance with FAS, why he was paid so much or how he was able to do all that voluntary work while getting €150k pa. I don’t think it’s a GAA issue, it’s an issue to do with gross public sector inefficiencies.

Martin567 wrote: »

Or are people saying that he is doing such a good job that nobody else could do it so well?

If I had a vote, I don’t think I would pay too much consideration on what the guy is on (unless is totally and completely obscene), rather I would look at what the person will do for the GAA.

Btw, I’m not endorsing Cooney or anything. I just don’t think the rule should change that a person should not financially gain or be financially penalised for taking the president post.