what stove to choose?

mbr2009

we are changing our fireplace and installing a stove , i had my heart set on a inset stove as i dont want to change the hearth because its fine, just need a new fireplace surround and firured an inset stove would look well. went to stove showroom yesterday and he wasnt recommending the insets as they are more expensive and you have to line the chimney and take out the fireback. he reckoned we should go for normal stove , i think it would look to big on the hearth, it would stick out too much, he said we could extend the hearth out, im not sure about that either!! the room is 30 m2 so would prob get beter heat from a standard stove than an inset. any suggestions?? saw one stove the parkray consort 5 slimline which isnt as deep, it might fit better on the hearth we have

Carlow52

size of hearth comes from Part J here
http://www.environ.ie/en/TGD/

the hearth for a stove with 1 door is larger than for one with 2 doors

You will need to line flue either way if you decide to do it right.

How exactly was the quy intending u install the flue from the free standing stove: an ugly registry plate and a bit of flexi flue and a barrow full of fire cement.
Check this with him and with SWMBO [aka the trousers in 'we':D]

mbr2009

so your saying that with either stove its best to line the chimney all the way to the top with flexi flue? yes there was metion of a steel plate with a hole in it for the flue, there would be a black flue pipe coming out of the back of the stove and going throught the metal plate and up into the chimney , there was also mention of filling up the space prob with fire cement. all sounded a bit ugly to me !!!

Carlow52

I don't see why an insert wont work, the other solution as you have figured out would be dog rough.

TheBigLebowski

mbr2009 wrote: »

so your saying that with either stove its best to line the chimney all the way to the top with flexi flue? yes there was metion of a steel plate with a hole in it for the flue, there would be a black flue pipe coming out of the back of the stove and going throught the metal plate and up into the chimney , there was also mention of filling up the space prob with fire cement. all sounded a bit ugly to me !!!

Are you sure your chimney is unlined (i.e. no clay flue liner)? You don't need a flexi flue liner if you have a clay chimney.

vicar1

Hello Folks,
I am looking for advice. I just bought a second hand waterford Stanley Shamrock stove - I'm hoping to use it for my central heating - has anyone got one ? Or does anyone know where I might get the instructions? i'm hoping I haven't made a silly impulse buy! Thanks!

rpmcs

TheBigLebowski wrote: »

Are you sure your chimney is unlined (i.e. no clay flue liner)? You don't need a flexi flue liner if you have a clay chimney.

not true, best practice is to reline, can work fine just to adapt to clay pot but if its a cold chimney you could have nasty sooty condensation leak back around flue, so in my opinion its best to reline, but some people have no problem not relining and works fine for a while till down the road slow build up of tar like soot leads to smoking stove or worse fire,[B]so be careful with advice[/B]

heinbloed

Agreed with rmpcs !

Combustion technology is still left to 'children' here in Ireland.
The temperature of the flue gas in comparrison with the surface temperature of the flue pipe AND the flow rate MUST be checked. And aren't in most aproaches to make a few bobs.....
An open-fire chimney can not be used safely for a stove instead. (And vice versa as well!)
It must be altered, it's diameter reduced. By a competent engineer using suitable materials and workmanship.

mbr2009

have no problem with getting a flexi flue liner fitted, we want to do the job right. we are not looking for a massive heat output, just want a more efficient heat source. the insert stove would suit our room and hearth, just have to find a better salesman to recommend one for me now !! and a competent fitter!!

John_Rambo

Hi OP... I had an awful problem trying to get an insert stove installed at a height I wanted it. All the supplier basically tried to bully me in to having at floor level with an (expensive) marble surround.

In the end I got an experienced builder to install it and the new flue. Expansive, but well worth it, it's going to be there for a long time and I wanted it right.

Here is an interesting thread, you can see the photos of mine towards the end.


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056000969

rpmcs

John, can i ask, if you went into a carpet shop you wouldnt ask them to plumb your shower would you?

Stove shops/fitters are not builders so i applaud the one's who have no experience in taking out flue gather and raising flu levels and dont!!

But also i have come across some rare stove fittings done by some builders,and dare i say plumbers, shocking!!

So if it was me i would and have got builders to do the structural work and then fitted the stove myself, Every man to his own job in my opinion,

stove smoking when door opened is wrong, did builder do draught test? iv posted possible solution's on that thread

John_Rambo

rpmcs wrote: »

John, can i ask, if you went into a carpet shop you wouldnt ask them to plumb your shower would you?

I see your point rpmcs, but after two very negative "can't do" attitudes from the shops we were buying the stoves from we decided to get someone who seemed a bit more competent.

The builder advised us to go with the Scan fire from the fire center in Kilkenny because he had bought the same fires from them before. He installed them with the kind professional, expert help of the lads in Kilkenny a few times.

I was simply using the fire wrong, not lighting it properly, opening the door to quickly. Fire is perfect now, no smoke, great heat, no problems, no plaster cracking etc...

I do appreciate where you are coming from though. I didn't get some man in a van to lash it in.

rpmcs

Great to hear john, I always tell people to experiment to some degree with there stove, as every draught is different!! but ya good tip is to refilling is to open door a fraction at first to allow air to equalize,
im a huge fan of stoves,so all good!!

Devrobia

I'm selling an inset boiler at the moment if your interested...It's a mulberry stoker and it throw's out about 7 kw's of heat, its brand new and never used and a lot cheaper than you would buy at retail...seen these in action and they are excellent with great airflow, really well made...details are at the link below

http://www.adverts.ie/589988