reseeding question..yes another one

vanderbadger

folks reseeded 2 fields last autumn, my first experiece of reseeding. anyhoo I probably didnt make a great job of the seeding, it was the coop seed barrow and it was a pile of ****e, the ground drive wheel kept breaking off, also flocks of birds seemed to be constantly around 1 of the fields..anyway i noticed fairly soon after seeding that there was a share of chick weed,I just dont think the ground got a good enough cover of seed, got to spray one of the fields and i think it controlled it abit but the weather turned and didnt get to do the other field, both fields were grazed by sheep over winter.. thought they might clear the fecking chickweed..but no
then earlier this year i was going to spray the 2nd field but couldnt get alistell spray anywhere..spread the fertilizer towards end of march, still had plans to spray but weather turned bad there for a few weeks..anyway long story short i never got to spray it, i figured the grass would outgrow the weed anyway..now my situation is this, one field came very well, nearly fit to cut it now, still has some chickweed but the grass is very good, other much bigger field hasnt come nearly as well, absolutely full of chickweed, grass just doesnt seem to be coming right considering amount of time fert is out
i figure no point spraying now, may as well wait and cut in may and take what i get and then spray off chickweed and hope for the best.. what do ye think? will this field come right now, whats the best thing to do..i had visions of the grass coming over the wall so it pretty disappointing

leg wax

spray straight away do not delay or you will have bales of waste silage happened to me in 09 never again.

vanderbadger

you serious, i thought spraying now might only feck up the silage.. how did your field come after?

5live

Did you try rolling? I used it once with a bad dose of chickweed and the grass outgrew the chickweed and the really heavy spots were nearly wiped out

vanderbadger

5live wrote: »

Did you try rolling? I used it once with a bad dose of chickweed and the grass outgrew the chickweed and the really heavy spots were nearly wiped out

no havent rolled it since i spread seed, like where the grass is good the chickweed is as high as it, maybe 4 to 5 inches long, probably too late to roll now?

5live

Fill the roller up and drive away. The rolling seems to burst the stems and it dies off. But i would graze it to clean it out as the previous poster said as you could get a big heap of s***e when you open the bales as the chickweed decomposes. At the very least you should wait a couple of weeks before cutting.

The last teagasc walk i was on the advisor said you should graze a reseed at least once before cutting to encourage tillering and probably twice where possible

pajero12

Same thing happened to us, A serious amount of chickweed, Used a spray called pastor, comes in 2l bottles, think it was E30 a litre, pricey but very very good!

whelan1

or is it redshank ?

vanderbadger

5live wrote: »

Fill the roller up and drive away. The rolling seems to burst the stems and it dies off. But i would graze it to clean it out as the previous poster said as you could get a big heap of s***e when you open the bales as the chickweed decomposes. At the very least you should wait a couple of weeks before cutting.

The last teagasc walk i was on the advisor said you should graze a reseed at least once before cutting to encourage tillering and probably twice where possible

ya was thinking of grazing it but it would be a big chunk out of my silage area, still no point baling ****e or i could spray it now as legwax says and leave it a good few weeks and cut it later

vanderbadger

whelan1 wrote: »

or is it redshank ?

just after looking that up, dont think so whelan, will take a pic when i get home this evening and stick it up

vanderbadger

pajero12 wrote: »

Same thing happened to us, A serious amount of chickweed, Used a spray called pastor, comes in 2l bottles, think it was E30 a litre, pricey but very very good!

as what stage did you spray it pajero, did you cut silage after?

pajero12

vanderbadger wrote: »

as what stage did you spray it pajero, did you cut silage after?

Only sprayed it this year, about two weeks ago, but due to cut it in about 7 weeks.

vanderbadger

well sprayed it anyway this evening right or wrong..might roll it as well in a few days if i dont see the feckers starting to shrivel

leg wax

vanderbadger wrote: »

you serious, i thought spraying now might only feck up the silage.. how did your field come after?

turned out ok but the docks got hold and cant shift them you really have to get them as seedlings. if you leave the silage go longer before cutting if the weeds are slow in dying you will still have better silage that bales of weeds.

bob charles

going back to the start, where was the grass seed sourced ie branded under label, some of the stuff guys try to get me to seed with is utter rubbish, glorified dust actually. What type of reseed did you do ? plough/till, one pass or direct drill? People dont realise how important getting on the post emergence weed spray but as has being mentioned doing autumn reseeds can be tricky

vanderbadger

bob charles wrote: »

going back to the start, where was the grass seed sourced ie branded under label, some of the stuff guys try to get me to seed with is utter rubbish, glorified dust actually. What type of reseed did you do ? plough/till, one pass or direct drill? People dont realise how important getting on the post emergence weed spray but as has being mentioned doing autumn reseeds can be tricky

kerry group seed, disc harrowed once and power harrowed twice, both fields seemed to go mad with chickweed though

mf690

Reseeded 7 acrs last year alot of thistles and docks even after spraying with post emergance spray . But now seem to have more clover than grass. After fertlizing hopeing the grass will out grow clover .

Tipp Man

mf690 wrote: »

Reseeded 7 acrs last year alot of thistles and docks even after spraying with post emergance spray . But now seem to have more clover than grass. After fertlizing hopeing the grass will out grow clover .

WHY???

Clover is brilliant and has a much flatter growth curve than grass (albeit a later one) Nevermind the nitrogen benifits

Pharaoh1

Just wondering are you guys all burning off with roundup or equivalent.
I've never had to use selective spray even on spring reseeds - had the odd bit of redshank and an odd thistle but nothing that wouldn't clean up with topping after tight grazing.
I always went for a good kill a bit extra in the sprayer and a few days longer than recommended.
Maybe there wasn't much in the ground or maybe I was just lucky but I'm a big fan of a proper serious burning.

A neighbour (who told me I was wasting money on roundup) reseeded last spring (naturally without spraying) now has a ferocious field of dirt and despite spending a fortune on post emergence sprays can't get it clean.

vanderbadger

Pharaoh1 wrote: »

Just wondering are you guys all burning off with roundup or equivalent.
I've never had to use selective spray even on spring reseeds - had the odd bit of redshank and an odd thistle but nothing that wouldn't clean up with topping after tight grazing.
I always went for a good kill a bit extra in the sprayer and a few days longer than recommended.
Maybe there wasn't much in the ground or maybe I was just lucky but I'm a big fan of a proper serious burning.

A neighbour (who told me I was wasting money on roundup) reseeded last spring (naturally without spraying) now has a ferocious field of dirt and despite spending a fortune on post emergence sprays can't get it clean.

no used roundup, one field was sprayed a week before silage was cut, both fields seems to be really well burned off before they were disc harrowed

Pharaoh1

vanderbadger wrote: »

no used roundup, one field was sprayed a week before silage was cut, both fields seems to be really well burned off before they were disc harrowed

OK. I'm thinking the fact that I ploughed all my reseeds may have helped.
In fact the contractor was ploughing probably too deep (8-9 inches)
I tried to get him to keep the plough up to around 6 inches but in fairness I think it is not easy to do this with the huge modern ploughs.

Upside for me is no weeds but recent soil tests show a uniform drop in phosphorus levels which may be due to burying the top layer of soil even though I used a couple of bags of 10-10-20 each time.
Its compounds all the way this year along with the slurry to try and correct it.

reilig

Pharaoh1 wrote: »

Just wondering are you guys all burning off with roundup or equivalent.
I've never had to use selective spray even on spring reseeds - had the odd bit of redshank and an odd thistle but nothing that wouldn't clean up with topping after tight grazing.
I always went for a good kill a bit extra in the sprayer and a few days longer than recommended.
Maybe there wasn't much in the ground or maybe I was just lucky but I'm a big fan of a proper serious burning.

A neighbour (who told me I was wasting money on roundup) reseeded last spring (naturally without spraying) now has a ferocious field of dirt and despite spending a fortune on post emergence sprays can't get it clean.

I'm the same as you. I reseed a small bit every year in August/September. I spray off with roundup or its equivalent and just harrow and reseed and roll. I never have a problem with weed at all. Usually the sheep eat the first growth on it and the second growth is cut for silage but this year's stuff was kinda stunted with the snow over the winter so I just let it grow until now. The last 3 weeks has seen it shoot up and it'll be ready for cutting in another 3 weeks.

Does red shank grow in soils that might have been ploughed too deep? I see it in a neighbours ground - they turned over daub in their sods.

bob charles

vanderbadger wrote: »

kerry group seed, disc harrowed once and power harrowed twice, both fields seemed to go mad with chickweed though

hmm, and you had a poor take up of grass? the above is one brand i wouldnt be happy planting

Atilathehun

bob charles wrote: »

hmm, and you had a poor take up of grass? the above is one brand i wouldnt be happy planting

If Kerry seed quality is as good as their beef / wanling rations, you can say good night:mad:

jeff greene

Atilathehun wrote: »

If Kerry seed quality is as good as their beef / wanling rations, you can say good night:mad:

I have used alot of Kerrys seed and find it ok. More important to look at the varieties used than supplier, get the seed to suit your needs.

As for their ration, you get what you pay for!

mf2909

Hi All
Im planning to re seed in the next few weeks. Im in the west. Have about 4 acres to do. I have disc harrows, a 10ft heavy set and plan to buy set of chain harrows too. Got a price of €850 for a 14ft set of fold up ones. supposed to be parmiter. To plough will be tough as the field is very stoney and i mean it. I plan to burn off with roundup and then till it with discs and chains, Anyone any advice on this or do it before?

farmerjohn

same happened us with the chickweed, would it have anything to do with reseedin in the autumn

vanderbadger

farmerjohn wrote: »

same happened us with the chickweed, would it have anything to do with reseedin in the autumn

ya possibly, i will deffo be doing it abit earlier in future..what was hte end result of your field, did you cut it, graze it or what?

Username John

vanderbadger wrote: »

ya possibly, i will deffo be doing it abit earlier in future..what was hte end result of your field, did you cut it, graze it or what?

When did you actually reseed Vander, if you dont mind me asking?

I reseeded last Spring, and I thought I had a lot of weeds, but I got in with a post emergence which cleaned it up a good bit.
But this yeah, I have reseeding to do - and am leaving it to the Autumn. Mainly cos I didnt get round to fencing it yet, but we'll pretend it was all part of some plan
I was told Autumn reseeds are less prone to weeds, so I was happy enough to leave it... Well, until I started reading here... :rolleyes:

I plan to burn off with roundup (or similiar) leave for max time possible, as there is a good amount of old dead grass on it, then plough in.

Muckit

vanderbadger wrote: »

it was the coop seed barrow and it was a pile of ****e

I've found the same down through the years anytime we hired one out:rolleyes: Deliberately didn't look into hiring one last autumn when was reseeding myself... I'd have probably ended up f*ckin it into the ditch!!:D Shook it in fert spreader and came up lovely. Mind you, with the harsh winter it was spring before it looked thick and half decent.

I'd say the seed barrow probably didn't put any seed in parts of it or very little. Well that's what I found, the little chutes on the seed barrow would clog and unless you'd eyes in the back of your head to ensure the all stayed working, it'd break your heart.

Is it just part of the field that is bad? Would you not consider putting up a temp electric fence? Keep the best for silage and graze the worst effected bits with chickweed? Let the cattle in hungry and they'd have it ate off in a day. Scatter a bit of grass seed on these bare bits and let the cattle walk it in. Take them out and by the time the rest is cut and aftergrass coming, field should be ok.....

vanderbadger

Muckit wrote: »

I've found the same down through the years anytime we hired one out:rolleyes: Deliberately didn't look into hiring one last autumn when was reseeding myself... I'd have probably ended up f*ckin it into the ditch!!:D Shook it in fert spreader and came up lovely. Mind you, with the harsh winter it was spring before it looked thick and half decent.

I'd say the seed barrow probably didn't put any seed in parts of it or very little. Well that's what I found, the little chutes on the seed barrow would clog and unless you'd eyes in the back of your head to ensure the all stayed working, it'd break your heart.

Is it just part of the field that is bad? Would you not consider putting up a temp electric fence? Keep the best for silage and graze the worst effected bits with chickweed? Let the cattle in hungry and they'd have it ate off in a day. Scatter a bit of grass seed on these bare bits and let the cattle walk it in. Take them out and by the time the rest is cut and aftergrass coming, field should be ok.....

ah it not too bad i suppose, its a big field and kinda on the worng side of a hill so not getting as much sun id say it s abit cold, did some drainage work there as well. there is good enough grass in alot of it but I suppose you would just be a bit disappointed when its so full of weed. you live and learn as they say, i hadnt done any reseeding before and was nervous that if i spread with wagtail i would end up making a bags of it. as it turned out the stupid seed barrow was disaster, one compartment kept emptying before the others and you couldnt regulate it, left plenty of little strips it.. i will know better the next time. anyway will see if this spray works before deciding what to do

farmerjohn

vanderbadger wrote: »

ya possibly, i will deffo be doing it abit earlier in future..what was hte end result of your field, did you cut it, graze it or what?

we grazed it, and rolled it tuesday hopefull it will go now as the sprays seem costly,

sea12

I sprayed off a field two weeks ago. Was hoping to reseed it today before the rain at the weekend but unfortunately its not ready to do yet. There is a good bit of rushes in the field and I put shores into it last week.

I mowed the rushed a good three weeks before spraying to ensure that the rushes would be lush for spraying but some rushes I didnt top seems to have killed off ok.The rest of the rushes are still pretty green.

Would it be the good weather which is preventing the growth of the rush transporting the roundup to the roots or why is it so slow to kill off?

vanderbadger

Username John wrote: »

When did you actually reseed Vander, if you dont mind me asking?

I reseeded last Spring, and I thought I had a lot of weeds, but I got in with a post emergence which cleaned it up a good bit.
But this yeah, I have reseeding to do - and am leaving it to the Autumn. Mainly cos I didnt get round to fencing it yet, but we'll pretend it was all part of some plan
I was told Autumn reseeds are less prone to weeds, so I was happy enough to leave it... Well, until I started reading here... :rolleyes:

I plan to burn off with roundup (or similiar) leave for max time possible, as there is a good amount of old dead grass on it, then plough in.

towards end of Aug I think

vanderbadger

sea12 wrote: »

I sprayed off a field two weeks ago. Was hoping to reseed it today before the rain at the weekend but unfortunately its not ready to do yet. There is a good bit of rushes in the field and I put shores into it last week.

I mowed the rushed a good three weeks before spraying to ensure that the rushes would be lush for spraying but some rushes I didnt top seems to have killed off ok.The rest of the rushes are still pretty green.

Would it be the good weather which is preventing the growth of the rush transporting the roundup to the roots or why is it so slow to kill off?

actually in general I wonder does anyone spray off twice with roundup to ensure a very good kill or is that just going overboard?

bob charles

vanderbadger wrote: »

actually in general I wonder does anyone spray off twice with roundup to ensure a very good kill or is that just going overboard?

nope not at all, full rate first go and then maybe a lt a month later, but this wouldnt be necessary for a plough based system

leg wax

sea12 wrote: »

I sprayed off a field two weeks ago. Was hoping to reseed it today before the rain at the weekend but unfortunately its not ready to do yet. There is a good bit of rushes in the field and I put shores into it last week.

I mowed the rushed a good three weeks before spraying to ensure that the rushes would be lush for spraying but some rushes I didnt top seems to have killed off ok.The rest of the rushes are still pretty green.

Would it be the good weather which is preventing the growth of the rush transporting the roundup to the roots or why is it so slow to kill off?

if shores are draines i would not be in any rush to reseed in fact i would leave it till the fall,to leave the shores settle and sink back,if you pull clay over these now they will sink and you will be left with a field with speed dips:eek:

sea12

leg wax wrote: »

if shores are draines i would not be in any rush to reseed in fact i would leave it till the fall,to leave the shores settle and sink back,if you pull clay over these now they will sink and you will be left with a field with speed dips:eek:

Ah they are only 2 small shores in in one section of the field. HAve then back filled and rolled in by track machine. Not going to leave the field out of action for a few months over a few speed dips.:cool:

keep going

vanderbadger wrote: »

actually in general I wonder does anyone spray off twice with roundup to ensure a very good kill or is that just going overboard?

best way to get roundup to work is put a bag of can 2 weeks before hand.kill everthing as it will be growing well

stagg88

Lads would ye reccomend putting a thick layer of slurry on the ground before ploughing it for resseding. have a lot left over and no where to go with it. Havent seen it done or mentioned anywhere but havnt been looking either.

PMU

stagg88 wrote: »

Lads would ye reccomend putting a thick layer of slurry on the ground before ploughing it for resseding. have a lot left over and no where to go with it. Havent seen it done or mentioned anywhere but havnt been looking either.

yes,3000gls per acre.save on the 10.10.20.you could put it on after sowing.
the only risk would be drought

sea12

stagg88 wrote: »

Lads would ye reccomend putting a thick layer of slurry on the ground before ploughing it for resseding. have a lot left over and no where to go with it. Havent seen it done or mentioned anywhere but havnt been looking either.

Yep saw (and smelt) my neighbour doing it before he ploughed his field this week.