War in the Middle East possible WW3??

lcrcboy

So there are a lot of uprisings and revolutions happening at the moment in the middle east, do you think that possibly this could lead to other countries outside of the middle east getting more involved and then clashing with countries supporting the existing regimes, or do you think this will all end in the next year or two and things will simmer down.

I personally think things will simmer down in the next year or two but I understand other peoples points if they believe it could lead to something like a clash between the west and Iran over what happens in Syria if things escalate further there.

orourkeda

bring it on

Saila

its all a conspiracy, the eu are doing this to take the heat out of the financial meltdown

*points to tinfoil hat*

Thatnastyboy

Chemtrails, IMF, Jim Corr

That is all.











:pac:

Biggins

I blame the swans!

Gunnerkid

Well like any normal person I disagree with the war in Iraq and Afghanistan but I believe America should make a crater out of Iran

Sykk

NATO will never militarily intervene in Syria for one reason: Iran..

They can however, sanction to their hearts content.

Pauleta

The War on Terror is World War 3. Its a war that is being fought on a global scale. It may not be a traditional war but its a war in its own right.

Biggins

Gunnerkid wrote: »

Well like any normal person I disagree with the war in Iraq and Afghanistan but I believe America should make a crater out of Iran Galway

I agree!

saywhatyousee

Saila wrote: »

its all a conspiracy, the eu are doing this to take the heat out of the financial meltdown

*points to tinfoil hat*

Where did you read that? Could you post a link?

Snowie

what because a couple of unhappy pesants are a little unhappy about the way there being treated.... I say, let them eat cake............


mmmmmm cake......

Gunnerkid

Biggins wrote: »

I agree!

Damm you Biggins I declare that the people of Galway have been under Irish oppression for to long now and we must rise up brothers in arms, and destroy are Irish overlords starting with Biggins

Biggins

Gunnerkid wrote: »

Damm you Biggins I declare that the people of Galway have been under Irish oppression for to long now and we must rise up brothers in arms, and destroy are Irish overlords starting with Biggins

:pac:

Good luck with that. I'm armed to the hilt and my bunker is reinforced. :cool:

mayotom

lcrcboy wrote: »

I personally think things will simmer down in the next year or two but I understand other peoples points if they believe it could lead to something like a clash between the west and Iran over what happens in Syria if things escalate further there.

The East is fast becoming the new West, China/India/Russia/Iran are very strong economic countries which have more control over the West than the governments of the West(especially the USA) have over their own countries. China for example could call its loans to the USA this would basically allow them to re-possess a large percentage of US assets

Gunnerkid wrote: »

Well like any normal person I disagree with the war in Iraq and Afghanistan but I believe America should make a crater out of Iran

Care to Elaborate?

Sykk wrote: »

NATO will never militarily intervene in Syria for one reason: Iran..

They can however, sanction to their hearts content.

Correct as Syria has the support of several regional power's, the west is not needed. Iran alone can supply them with everything that the west refuses to supply

Einhard

mayotom wrote: »

The East is fast becoming the new West, China/India/Russia/Iran are very strong economic countries which have more control over the West than the governments of the West(especially the USA) have over their own countries. China for example could call its loans to the USA this would basically allow them to re-possess a large percentage of US assets

And then the US economy would collapse, with a catastrophic impact on Chinese exports. The world is inter-dependent, and nowhere is this more so than in the economic relationship between the US and China.

Correct as Syria has the support of several regional power's, the west is not needed. Iran alone can supply them with everything that the west refuses to supply

Iran can't even supply Iran with everything which the West refuses to supply...

lcrcboy

mayotom wrote: »

The East is fast becoming the new West, China/India/Russia/Iran are very strong economic countries which have more control over the West than the governments of the West(especially the USA) have over their own countries. China for example could call its loans to the USA this would basically allow them to re-possess a large percentage of US assets



Care to Elaborate?



Correct as Syria has the support of several regional power's, the west is not needed. Iran alone can supply them with everything that the west refuses to supply

Ya I agree with you there China, India and the likes are quickly becoming the new superpowers of the world, I think Brazil apparently is on the list as well. According to Goldman Sachs if the two koreas united they also could become a world leader in economics and militarily speaking, also Mexico has one of the fastest growing economies in the world and is also set to rival the BRIC countries in years to come.

mayotom

lcrcboy wrote: »

Ya I agree with you there China, India and the likes are quickly becoming the new superpowers of the world, I think Brazil apparently is on the list as well. According to Goldman Sachs if the two koreas united they also could become a world leader in economics and militarily speaking, also Mexico has one of the fastest growing economies in the world and is also set to rival the BRIC countries in years to come.

Yes definitely Brazil, Mexico but with a little more time, Korea United would take the demise of the USA to happen first, also they have too many tariff's and embargo's to make it work for a while, try importing something into Korea, its a no no and is slowing their growth, otherwise they would have passed Japan decades ago. Other non eastern countries to watch for would be Angola/Mozambique(former Portuguese colonies who are now getting together to help with the bailout of Portugal),the Philippines, Malaysia and Chile has great potential along with a few other South American Countries. Europe has no economies with a growth potential to match dozens of South American, African and South East Asian economies

SamHarris

mayotom wrote: »

The East is fast becoming the new West, China/India/Russia/Iran are very strong economic countries which have more control over the West than the governments of the West(especially the USA) have over their own countries. China for example could call its loans to the USA this would basically allow them to re-possess a large percentage of US assets



Care to Elaborate?



Correct as Syria has the support of several regional power's, the west is not needed. Iran alone can supply them with everything that the west refuses to supply

Um... Just to point out thats not how government bonds work at all. You can't "call them in". They can stop buying American gov debt, (they currently buy about 15% of it) and either someone else would have to pick up the slack (a massive % is bought by internal banks) or you would the US in the same situation as we are in right now.
Jsut to put it in perspective, China own about 7% of US debt. It is aproximatly 35% of their reserves.

RichieC

Gunnerkid wrote: »

Well like any normal person I disagree with the war in Iraq and Afghanistan but I believe America should make a crater out of Iran

Fk yea!! the general population is way to liberal there! lets eff up their beautiful city, kill their children and radicalise them all!!!

mayotom

Einhard wrote: »

Iran can't even supply Iran with everything which the West refuses to supply...

You will find that Due to Sanctions on Iran for decades they have not been able to import many many products, this has led to Iran developing(sometimes copying) technology to rival the west.

They have vast reserves of Natural Resources and the technology to extract them, but have no need to export them.
In heavy industry they manufacture Trains, Planes and Automobiles
Financially their Stock Exchanges are surging forward, but are not open to outsiders like in China.
The Education system is producing some of the best minds in Science/IT/Engineering.
The wealthy working classes are growing by the tens of Millions.
Agricultural production in the country is huge, negating the need for food imports for its 70 million population

Walking the streets of Tehran, Mashad and other cities, gleaming new tower blocks are appearing alongside modern shopping Malls to rival any other country.

If only there were some political change in the country, it could become an economy to be reckoned with. Millions of Iranians around the world are waiting for that day, so that they can benefit from a more open market economy, but certainly the country as it stands does not need any outside help

Einhard

mayotom wrote: »

You will find that Due to Sanctions on Iran for decades they have not been able to import many many products, this has led to Iran developing(sometimes copying) technology to rival the west.

They have vast reserves of Natural Resources and the technology to extract them, but have no need to export them.
In heavy industry they manufacture Trains, Planes and Automobiles
Financially their Stock Exchanges are surging forward, but are not open to outsiders like in China.
The Education system is producing some of the best minds in Science/IT/Engineering.
The wealthy working classes are growing by the tens of Millions.
Agricultural production in the country is huge, negating the need for food imports for its 70 million population

Walking the streets of Tehran, Mashad and other cities, gleaming new tower blocks are appearing alongside modern shopping Malls to rival any other country.

If only there were some political change in the country, it could become an economy to be reckoned with. Millions of Iranians around the world are waiting for that day, so that they can benefit from a more open market economy, but certainly the country as it stands does not need any outside help

None of which negates my point...

RichieC

Einhard wrote: »

None of which negates my point...

Yes it did...

SamHarris

mayotom wrote: »

You will find that Due to Sanctions on Iran for decades they have not been able to import many many products, this has led to Iran developing(sometimes copying) technology to rival the west.

They have vast reserves of Natural Resources and the technology to extract them, but have no need to export them.
In heavy industry they manufacture Trains, Planes and Automobiles
Financially their Stock Exchanges are surging forward, but are not open to outsiders like in China.
The Education system is producing some of the best minds in Science/IT/Engineering.
The wealthy working classes are growing by the tens of Millions.
Agricultural production in the country is huge, negating the need for food imports for its 70 million population

Walking the streets of Tehran, Mashad and other cities, gleaming new tower blocks are appearing alongside modern shopping Malls to rival any other country.

If only there were some political change in the country, it could become an economy to be reckoned with. Millions of Iranians around the world are waiting for that day, so that they can benefit from a more open market economy, but certainly the country as it stands does not need any outside help

Iran is by no means an economic powerhouse, nor is Russia - Irans growth is less than the US in % terms and in real terms a tiny fraction of it. It's GDP is comparable to Taiwan. They are not in anyway looking like being part of the group of countries that will replace Europe (and to a lesser extent the US) as economic behomoths.

It's no Yemen or Afghanistan, it's growth is good - very good if it was a European country, but piddling compared to say China or India.

Einhard

RichieC wrote: »

Yes it did...

No it didn't. I stated that Iran is not entirely self-sufficent. It cannot provide all that it requires, so is hardly in the position to do so for Syria. How does mayotom's post contradict that assertion?

Ghandee

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mayotom

SamHarris wrote: »

Um... Just to point out thats not how government bonds work at all. You can't "call them in". They can stop buying American gov debt, (they currently buy about 15% of it) and either someone else would have to pick up the slack (a massive % is bought by internal banks) or you would the US in the same situation as we are in right now.
Jsut to put it in perspective, China own about 7% of US debt. It is aproximatly 35% of their reserves.

OK that's true but what I suppose I was getting at is that what is actually happening is that when these bonds mature they are rarely paid back, the US just negotiate to replace them with new bonds. If China and others were not willing to negotiate and wanted full payment then problems would arise

Einhard wrote: »

None of which negates my point...

True about what I have stated above, however Iran is as close to been a self sufficent country as exists anywhere in the world. If all world trade with Iran was cut off in the morning they would fare quiet well, as they have everything that they NEED, wants might be slightly different.

SamHarris wrote: »

Iran is by no means an economic powerhouse, nor is Russia - Irans growth is less than the US in % terms and in real terms a tiny fraction of it. It's GDP is comparable to Taiwan. They are not in anyway looking like being part of the group of countries that will replace Europe (and to a lesser extent the US) as economic behomoths.

It's no Yemen or Afghanistan, it's growth is good - very good if it was a European country, but piddling compared to say China or India.

Nobody said Iran or Russia were economic powerhouses, merely that they are strong economies with the potential to become much bigger than they are now with Russia moving up the economic rankings to the top five within 20 years and Iran in the top 15, Iran has the potential within to achieve double digit growth, but its lack of an export market due to sanctions is a major factor in stopping that, Once there is political change there, the current solid foundations will rise to become one of the fastest growing economies in the world, but of course with out the population and size of China/India/EU/USA they will never have the volume of economic activity that these four are therefore never replacing Europe as you suggest

General General

I love all this bullsh!t regarding how the BRIC nations are all this & that.

It makes me smile.

Regarding a stat' previously posted on this page, if I ran a company & a third of my assets was less than a tenth of the debts of a company that had a third of my staff, I would get out asap... as, indeed, a lot of successful Chinese do.