Was it my imagination...

Festus

...or did the Pope forgive the sins of everyone watching him today on the TV, internet or listening in on radio?

Nice one!

Also had an interesting one from father in law - if we have the Pope, who do the Protestants have?

In fairness not many Protestants where my father in law comes from. Told him it was the Queen and he was satisfied with that if a little bemused. Probably for another thread.

I like this Pope.

PDN

Festus wrote: »

Also had an interesting one from father in law - if we have the Pope, who do the Protestants have?

They have Jesus.

Festus

PDN wrote: »

They have Jesus.

Told him that but he wasn't having it. Said the Jesus they believe in is one they made up themselves.

antiskeptic

Festus wrote: »

Told him that but he wasn't having it. Said the Jesus they believe in is one they made up themselves...

He apparently hasn't seen fit to test the tensile strength of that most-slender of threads: "you are Peter and on this rock.."

Which is fair enough - unless that happens to be the thread he's suspending his eternal destination from...

Donatello

Festus wrote: »

...or did the Pope forgive the sins of everyone watching him today on the TV, internet or listening in on radio?

Nice one!

My understanding is that a plenary indulgence can be gained by those who listen to or watch the broadcast and who are properly disposed. If that is the case, then one must fulfil the conditions, which are: 1. Holy Communion and Confession, 2. Prayers for the Holy Father's intentions, 3. Non-attachment to sin (you can make an act of the will against sin), 4. The prescribed work, which I presume is watching the broadcast blessing and desiring to receive the indulgence.

I'm not sure if I have got this right. I had a look on the web to see if there was much detail about it, but there isn't, at least not that I have found. I think I have got it right though.

The text of the blessing is very edifying:

The approximate English translation is as follows:

May the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul, in whose power and authority we have confidence, intercede on our behalf to the Lord.
R/ Amen.

Through the prayers and merits of the Blessed Mary ever-virgin, of Blessed Michael the Archangel, of Blessed John the Baptist, and of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul, and of all the saints, may Almighty God have mercy on you, and with your sins forgiven, may Jesus Christ lead you into everlasting life.
R/ Amen.

May the Almighty and merciful Lord grant you indulgence, absolution, and remission of all your sins, time for a true and fruitful penance, an always repentant heart and amendment of life, the grace and consolation of the Holy Spirit, and final perseverance in good works.
R/ Amen.

And may the blessing of Almighty God, + the Father, + the Son, and + the Holy Spirit, descend on you and remain with you always.
R/ Amen.

What struck me this Easter, having attended the Masses and services in my local parish church, and having attended on Sunday a beautiful Latin Mass, was that the time is ripe for a good dose, and not just a dose, but a full return to the 'old time religion'. What that means is a restoration of reverence, sacrality, more Latin, and more of everyone, but particularly priests, doing what the Church does in the public worship of the Church. The new translation will help, but we need new hearts to, if it is going to work. The attitude of every priest must be one of 'He must increase, I must decrease'. Less of us, more of Him! Once we take our gaze off ourselves, we can fix it on Him. With that in mind, this is excellent background reading.

Seaneh

God forgives my sins and I don't even have to turn my telly on, or even get out of bed.

georgieporgy

does that mean if a married man spends the weekend with a prostitute his sin of adultery is forgiven before he gets out of bed?

Donatello

georgieporgy wrote: »

does that mean if a married man spends the weekend with a prostitute his sin of adultery is forgiven before he gets out of bed?

If the man repents, confesses, receives Holy Communion and he must also have a firm purpose of amendment not to commit the sin again, then he can avail of the plenary indulgence.

God is not mocked, and it is no use thinking we can abuse the Sacrament of Penance as some sort of licence to sin.

As St. Alphonsus said, more or less, those who presume to use the mercy of God as a pretext for sin are in for a rude awakening.

georgieporgy

Donatello wrote: »

If the man repents, confesses, receives Holy Communion and he must also have a firm purpose of amendment not to commit the sin again, then he can avail of the plenary indulgence.

God is not mocked, and it is no use thinking we can abuse the Sacrament of Penance as some sort of licence to sin.

As St. Alphonsus said, more or less, those who presume to use the mercy of God as a pretext for sin are in for a rude awakening.

I'm with you on that Donatello. My post #7 was directed at Seaneh's post #6.

appologies. I should have linked it more clearly.

Donatello

georgieporgy wrote: »

I'm with you on that Donatello. My post #7 was directed at Seaneh's post #6.

appologies. I should have linked it more clearly.

Ah right, I see that now.

I just responded because I think it is important that we all know what Catholics do and do not believe about the Sacraments. We wouldn't want anybody to get the wrong idea about something so important.

wolfsbane

Donatello wrote: »

What struck me this Easter, having attended the Masses and services in my local parish church, and having attended on Sunday a beautiful Latin Mass, was that the time is ripe for a good dose, and not just a dose, but a full return to the 'old time religion'. What that means is a restoration of reverence, sacrality, more Latin, and more of everyone, but particularly priests, doing what the Church does in the public worship of the Church. The new translation will help,

Just wondering what you meant here: How does 'more Latin' and the 'new translation' fit together?

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Hebrews 10:12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
15 But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,
16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” 17 then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” 18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

kelly1

Festus wrote: »

...or did the Pope forgive the sins of everyone watching him today on the TV, internet or listening in on radio?

No, he granted a "plenary indulgence". See this for more info.

Donatello

wolfsbane wrote: »

Just wondering what you meant here: How does 'more Latin' and the 'new translation' fit together?

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Hebrews 10:12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
15 But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,
16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” 17 then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” 18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

The new translation is faithful to the Latin typical edition, which is the base text if you like. There is also a desire to increase the use of Latin in the Mass - Pope Benedict has encouraged this.

Vatican II said this:

36. 1. Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites.

2. But since the use of the mother tongue, whether in the Mass, the administration of the sacraments, or other parts of the liturgy, frequently may be of great advantage to the people, the limits of its employment may be extended. This will apply in the first place to the readings and directives, and to some of the prayers and chants, according to the regulations on this matter to be laid down separately in subsequent chapters.

The readings could be in English, whilst other elements, such as the Creed and the Eucharistic Prayer, could be in Latin. That is what BXVI did when he visited the UK last year.

CMpunked

i can understand the others, but why would:

Donatello wrote: »

If the man repents, confesses, receives Holy Communion and he must also have a firm purpose of amendment not to commit the sin again, then he can avail of the plenary indulgence.

Be so important?

Donatello

CMpunked wrote: »

i can understand the others, but why would:


Be so important?

I dunno to be honest. I'm sure there must be a good reason.

I would think that to have received Holy Communion after confession should mean that the soul is in a good spiritual place, having rejected all attachment to sin by an act of the will, and is properly disposed for the gaining of an indulgence would be part of it. I expect that is the reason.

Festus

antiskeptic wrote: »

He apparently hasn't seen fit to test the tensile strength of that most-slender of threads: "you are Peter and on this rock.."

Since when did something spoken by Jesus and recorded in the Bible become a 'slender thread'?

Apparently there are many who see fit to throw away or misinterpret parts of the Bible that do not fit their fantasy. Some even go so far as to write their own bible and present it as gospel.

methings they do protest too much