New Republican Terror Group (ex Provos) claims Ronan Kerr Murder

mike65

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0422/kerrr.html

A newly-formed dissident Republican group is reported to have admitted murdering PSNI constable Ronan Kerr in Omagh three weeks ago.

A report in today's Belfast Telegraph says the group is made up of former members of the IRA.

The newspaper said it had seen a statement issued by the group in which it threatens to continue a campaign of violence to try to end what it describes as 'British occupation'.

Members of the group are described as experienced Provisional militants.

They claim that the peace process has failed and that they have taken over the mantle of the IRA.

So then another bunch of die-hards, one presumes that the Provisonals will know who these fellas are and can help the authorities one way or another.

sollar

What are they calling themselves, they seem to want to take over the IRA name?

ghostdancer

mike65 wrote: »

one presumes that the Provisonals will know who these fellas are and can help the authorities one way or another.

bit of a leap there.
"experienced Provisional militants" could describe people who left PIRA 20 years ago...

i'd imagine the PSNI have just as good, if not a better idea of who they are than retired provos who want nothing to do with them.

blinding

sollar wrote: »

What are they calling themselves, they seem to want to take over the IRA name?

They could go with Al-Qaeda IRA/Taleban IRA

I don't see them having the kind of success that the Taleban or Al-Qaeda have though ?

They may bring death to some people (other people and some of their own)

They will bring prison to some of their own.

What else will they actually achieve ?

One question that does need answering though is what actions are the other political parties (that have a united Ireland as an objective) on the Island taking to achieve a united Ireland.

I am talking about Fine Gael/ Labour/ ffraudsters here.
These parties have as a core belief achieving a united Ireland.

But what are they actually doing to further this objective !

Nodin

mike65 wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0422/kerrr.html



So then another bunch of die-hards, one presumes that the Provisonals will know who these fellas are and can help the authorities one way or another.

..taking on an identity as a new group is an old tactic. It may well be the RIRA/CIRA essetially using a flag of convenience.

Soldie

"I Can't Believe It's Not The IRA", perhaps.

FTA69

Nodin wrote: »

..taking on an identity as a new group is an old tactic. It may well be the RIRA/CIRA essetially using a flag of convenience.

I don't know about that, these organisations aren't normally shy about claiming operations, least of all operations that result on casualties to the crown forces.

It could be a localised group of militants; either way they're wasting their time and wil achieve nothing in rebuilding Republicanism as a viable ideology.

mike65

ghostdancer wrote: »

bit of a leap there.
"experienced Provisional militants" could describe people who left PIRA 20 years ago...

i'd imagine the PSNI have just as good, if not a better idea of who they are than retired provos who want nothing to do with them.

The age range is described as 30s to 50s so some will have been active right to the ceasefire.

Dannyboy83

FTA69 wrote: »

I don't know about that, these organisations aren't normally shy about claiming operations, least of all operations that result on casualties to the crown forces.

Is it correct to say it wouldn't usually take them 3 weeks to admit to the murder also?
Srs q - I don't know.
What are the reasons for delaying so long in admitting to the murder?

Judging by the colossal backlash, Nodin's theory seems more plausible tbh.

PatsytheNazi

mike65 wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0422/kerrr.html



So then another bunch of die-hards, one presumes that the Provisonals will know who these fellas are and can help the authorities one way or another.

This report is based on something a journalist claims to have seen. There is no evidence of any statement, any group behind a statement, the name of this phantom group, nothing at all in fact. Probably little more than the type of media invention normally found in the Sunday World which ran a feature a couple of weeks ago where different journalists stating senior 'sources' made similar claims in regard to diverse organisations and individuals and the paper printed the conflicting 'exclusives' adjacent to each other.

mike65

I was listening to Suzanne Breen on the lunchtime news, she's is not a mug. Unless someone can show me otherwise I'll choose to believe her.

FTA69

True, Breen normally has her finger on the pulse and is also the journalist that's first port of call for groups such as this.

As for fear of backlash, these groups aren't complete eejits like, they know full well that killing a member of the PSNI is going to lead to opposition. They just rationalise it by saying the majority has always been opposed to such actions.

Fr Tod Umptious

blinding wrote: »

One question that does need answering though is what actions are the other political parties (that have a united Ireland as an objective) on the Island taking to achieve a united Ireland.

I am talking about Fine Gael/ Labour/ ffraudsters here.
These parties have as a core belief achieving a united Ireland.

But what are they actually doing to further this objective !

Not sure if you noticed but the parties you mentioned all believe the Good Friday Agreement, which states that a united Ireland cane only happen with a maojrity in NI wanting it.

Right now a united Ireland would not
pass in vote so they are not actively pushing for one

Wolfe Tone

I reckon things will become clearer after the various easter statements.

Wolfe Tone

PSNI detectives are also keeping a close watch on suspected activists from the "freelance" group of former Provisionals based in east Tyrone.

Earlier this month, the Irish Independent revealed that the freelance gang was responsible for the murder of the young Catholic PSNI constable, Ronan Kerr. Last night, the group claimed responsibility.

In their first public statement, the ex-Provisionals pledged to continue their murder campaign until "British occupation" had ended and Irish unity was achieved.

The group is centred around a core of former IRA activists, who have been joined by a small band of younger recruits from east Tyrone.

Since late last year, they have been considering joining the Oglaigh terror gang but still remain as "freelancers".

In their statement, they said they were responsible for "the recent execution of the RUC member in Omagh".

They also claimed that they had been responsible for the murder of two British soldiers at Massereene military barracks -- which was claimed at the time by the Real IRA -- the under-car bomb which seriously injured PSNI officer Peadar Heffron and the attack on the Policing Board headquarters in Belfast



Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/republic-of-ireland/separate-threats-to-queen-and-obama-identified-15146059.html#ixzz1KGRvjlKX


Ah something aint right here, the Reals claimed killing the soldiers and OnH claimed the Heffron attack. So now this new group is saying they really did it?

LordSutch

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

The group is centred around a core of former IRA activists, who have been joined by a small band of younger recruits from east Tyrone.

In their statement, they said they were responsible for "the recent execution of the RUC member in Omagh".

What year are we talking about here? The RUC was dissolved way back in 2001.

bmaxi

LordSutch wrote: »

What year are we talking about here? The RUC was dissolved way back in 2001.

That's true but the people we're talking about won't reach 2001 for about 200 years.

KeithAFC

They claim that the peace process has failed and that they have taken over the mantle of the IRA.

No. The war is over.

PatsytheNazi

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

PSNI detectives are also keeping a close watch on suspected activists from the "freelance" group of former Provisionals based in east Tyrone.

Earlier this month, the Irish Independent revealed that the freelance gang was responsible for the murder of the young Catholic PSNI constable, Ronan Kerr. Last night, the group claimed responsibility.

In their first public statement, the ex-Provisionals pledged to continue their murder campaign until "British occupation" had ended and Irish unity was achieved.

I wouldn't give much credence to one of Sir Tony's comics. These were the same people who said that the world banking crisis was caused by the Northern Bank robbery

Seth Brundle

The media (on both sides of the water) should stop referring to these as Republicans and simply refer to them as what they are - terrorists and drug dealing criminals.

dlofnep

KeithAFC wrote: »

No. The war is over.

I'm sure they are reading boards.ie Keith.

KeithAFC

dlofnep wrote: »

I'm sure they are reading boards.ie Keith.

They should be. I know if i was them, i would be trying to gage public opinion and that includes the internet.

Cathal O

KeithAFC wrote: »

They should be. I know if i was them, i would be trying to gage public opinion and that includes the internet.

Trying to gauge public opinion? I dont think they will care what the internet says on them if the reaction to the funeral of ronan kerr is anything to go by.

Hannibal

As Gerry Adams said they're "anti peace factions".
When you know history most people can understand the IRA campaign on the most part whether or not they agreed with it. That campaign ended and we got the GFA and power sharing, decomissioning etc. Everything to achieve 32 counties is covered in the GFA, the conditions now are nowhere close to 1969 through to 1994.
It's upto the communties up north to join together and show opposition to all armed forces both republican and loyalist, they have no place anymore and the peace process has not failed. I as a republican can see that an armed campaign is going to achieve absolutely nothing. 99% of republicans disagree with these groups and they are in a small minority with their futile attempts to claim the mantle of the "IRA". The IRA existed from 1919 until 2005 end of story.

briany

I propose all these "Organizations" be referred to as the D.I.R.A.

Delusional Irish/Inbred Republican/Retarded A**eholes

mgmt

So a guy called Gavin Coyle has been arrested for the murder of the policeman.

A man has appeared in court charged in connection with the murder of Constable Ronan Kerr.

Gavin Coyle, 33, of Culmore Park, Omagh, was charged at Dungannon Magistrates Court today with possessing guns, and explosives after being detained by police investigating the murder three weeks ago of Constable Ronan Kerr, 25.



Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/man-charged-in-ronan-kerr-murder-investigation-15146546.html#ixzz1KLQJULl6

He is a member of the 32 County Sovereignty Movement, which is really the political mouthpiece of the RIRA.

The police ombudsman is investigating a complaint by an Omagh man who has been the victim of sustained police harassment for over a year.

Gavin Coyle, 32, has been stopped and searched by police almost 30 times during the last 13 months under section 44 of the terrorism act without ever being charged with an offence.

He said "This stop and search policy is an abuse of their (RUC/PSNI) powers. It is supposed to be used when they think there is an imminent terrorist act, but i have never had any charges made against me. That is why i have made this complaint to the police ombudsman."

Gavin who recently became a member of the 32 county sovereignty movement, also stated that the RUC/PSNI offered his a new life anywhere in the world if he was willing to provide information about republican activity that would lead to convictions.

Gavin said the first time he was arrested in relation to republican involvement was in may 2008 after an off-duty police officer was severely injured by an IRA car bomb near spamount.

He said, "I had been arrested on suspicion of the attempted murder of a police officer in spamount in may 2008. I was released unconditionally with no charges in connection with this case. whilst i was being interrogated in Antrim police station they tried to recruit me as an informer on several occasions.

"I was again arrested at my home at 2am in November last year and interrogated in Antrim police station again. They told me this was for the attempted murder of a person or persons unknown at an unknown location. They said that i had planted a bomb, but did not know where, yet this incident never happened so i was again released without charge. That is when they again started making offers, saying that money would be no issue if i gave them the information they needed."

Gavin submitted the complaint through his soliciters, Kevin Winters and co, Belfast. A police ombudsman spokesperson said, "We have recieved a complaint from a resident in Omagh who has alleged he has been singled out for repeated stops and searches by police. We are currently carring out preliminary enquires into this complaint."
http://www.32csmtyrone.com/news.htm

P. Breathnach

mgmt wrote: »

So a guy called Gavin Coyle has been arrested for the murder of the policeman....

An arrest is not proof that he did it, or had any role in it. It indicates that the police think he was involved.

sollar

Cathal O wrote: »

Trying to gauge public opinion? I dont think they will care what the internet says on them if the reaction to the funeral of ronan kerr is anything to go by.

They made an interesting stamement on RTE news last week, they basically said they wanted to make northern ireland ungovernable or unworkable (can't rem the wording).

JustinDee

Well to kill an innocent then say the peace process has failed says a lot about these deluded animals. A splinter group of a splinter group. All very Monty Python were it not for the sadistic murder.

Einhard

kbannon wrote: »

The media (on both sides of the water) should stop referring to these as Republicans and simply refer to them as what they are - terrorists and drug dealing criminals.

They can be all that, and Republican too.

Bat Fasterd

mike65 wrote: »

I was listening to Suzanne Breen on the lunchtime news, she's is not a mug. Unless someone can show me otherwise I'll choose to believe her.

Do you have a link to a pod cast of that? I was told by someone of a news report that had quite a bit of info on all of this but said person has not been able to find the "facts" mentioned since. Hinted at leaders etc?

This is all very sad really but it was inevitable.

It wasn't me!

Not even close to claiming that murder is "inevitable" however. All that does is take away from the absolute reponsibility of those who planted the car bomb. It makes them an agent of fate, which is patently bollocks.

Irri

Bat Fasterd wrote: »

Do you have a link to a pod cast of that? I was told by someone of a news report that had quite a bit of info on all of this but said person has not been able to find the "facts" mentioned since. Hinted at leaders etc?

This is all very sad really but it was inevitable.

They are pointing at Thomas "Slab" Murphy, PIRA chief of staff. Guardian today.

Bat Fasterd

Irri wrote: »

They are pointing at Thomas "Slab" Murphy, PIRA chief of staff. Guardian today.

Cheers. Must have a read. I was hoping the OP could recall where he heard it as I believe there was a lot of detail in the initial broadcast(s) (possibly newstalk news) but have seen no records of it since.