EUR ING TITLE - ANY PRACTICAL USE?

david4791

Is this title of any use to Irish Engineers working on mainland Europe?, I'm currently registered as a Chartered Engineer with the IEI. The C eng is recognized internationally and carries much greater weight than the Eur Ing title.
Some colleagues have stated that the Germans require the Eur Ing title, any views from Eur Ing holders?

FesterBeatty

So you passed the interview then?

david4791

Yes Fester,thank god. Got the nod yesterday. Relief to have completed and very necessary these days.

godtabh

I dont think it makes that big a difference. I looked into it a couple of years ago and from what I remember its just the FEANNI version of CEng.

Personally I'd stick with CEng

david4791

Thats what the IEI said. In Ireland and Britain you can easily obtain the title EUR ING when your chartered (its only a form filling exercise), whereas on the continent you can achieve Eur Ing without chartership.

Co Ed

It kind of lowers the valCue of the Eur Ing if in Ireland and England you require a CEng and in Europe you don't. FEANI have really made a mess of it.

From another standpoint I suppose the Irish and English Engineers are the creme de la creme in Europe.

FEANI have made a mess if the standard is higher for Ireland and England. If you were an employer in Europe you would obviously choose an Irish or English Engineer but the big problem is the language.

gOst

Sorry this is off topic but it has been alluded to in this thread. Have people had much experience working with engineers on the continent? Is the standard comparable? I've always been told Spanish, French, etc engineering students do longer courses and more intensive study but I've never worked with any?

brandon_flowers

To reply to gOst, yes and no.

The Dutch engineers study the longest and usually spent 6-8 years in University, the also seem to be extremely well versed in lots of different types of engineering even if the just have say a Masters in Mech Eng or Offshore Eng. The French however have a wide range from 3/4 or 7/8 years. 3/4 being for a diplome as they call it and graduate from a Polytechnique, most of these engineers then start on a technician/graduate type salary. Those who do a Masters or Ph D 7/8 years go to a University per say and start on a much much higher salary and in a more senior role.

UK and Irish B. Eng degrees are somewhere between the Polytechnique diplome and a Masters in France. The French also have more specialized Polytechniques compared to our IT system.

To reply to the OP it depends if you want to or are planning on working in Germany but really only Germany. Anywhere else your C.Eng is perfectly acceptable and will be better recognized by most companies. And also being a C.Eng carries a lot of weight in Europe, even though it is not mandatory for a lot of positions.

Dunphus

brandon_flowers wrote: »

To reply to gOst, yes and no.
The Dutch engineers study the longest and usually spent 6-8 years in University, the also seem to be extremely well versed in lots of different types of engineering even if the just have say a Masters in Mech Eng or Offshore Eng.

Not all dutch engineers go to university (WO) though, the ones that do get the Ing. title, the ones that go to a HBO school don't.

A masters in a Dutch university is 120 ECTS where as a masters in the likes of Imperial is 90 ECTS. 40 ECTS are taken up by a research thesis (in my discipline at least, but it does differ) and the grading system is quite different over here. I would consider the standard required to pass pretty high because they know you will be legally be allowed sign off on designs afterwards (minimum 6 out of 10 but it's an absolute grading system as opposed to our bell curve).

It's a different system so I don't think it's fair to say that

From another standpoint I suppose the Irish and English Engineers are the creme de la creme in Europe.

if Irish engineering universities were so great I wouldn't be doing my postgrad in the NL. In terms of any major projects in the UK or Ireland, I doubt very much that they were exclusively designed by engineers from the UK and Ireland. There are good and bad engineers everywhere