C16 Dear John letters

Gee-22

Well looks like they have been posted.

Heffomike54 received one today - anyone else?

1967J

Recd one also, if I can post - it stated unlikely that there will be further intakes unless operational and financial circumstances dictate Mods delete if necessary

Sri19

Got one 2day aswell!! Gutted!but roll on next time!

Gee-22

I can know add my name to the list

I'm still going to hang onto the hope that the door is still ajar for those of us who have medical and vetting passed. It's clutching at straws, but let's hope they need a few more students later in the year.

Goonerdee

Sorry to hear that guys, sounds like you have been left in limbo once more and that it is most likely not a light at the end of the tunnel but a brick wall.

don quixote 3

I also received one, not even that bothered anymore after having been messed about by them for the last three years.

A lot of unanswered questions such as; why could they not have told us this earlier and wasted less of our time? Why did people who paid to attend a course teaching them how to pass the assessment centre all (mysteriously :rolleyes:) get job offers? Why does recruitment stop as soon as 50/50 stops? Will the psni be weaker in future after hiring people based on their religion first and suitability second? Could go on all day...

Sadly I can't help but feel that if I'm in contact with someone from the psni in future (unlikely ) I'll be wondering did they pay to jump the queue ahead of me or were they simply from the desired 'community background'? I'm just disappointed that I know people who have got in having stated (quote) "sure what else is there here?" for their career path in NI. I would have been a great police officer but in the long run that's their loss, not mine.

ant08

got the letter myself today also... expected it but still gutted about it heres hoping a miracle is on the horizon :rolleyes:

thebakerboy

Add me to the club lads and ladies. Still not a firm answer mind you, but as this process goes its close enough to one. See you all next time round and good luck with your futures!

1967J

don quixote 3 wrote: »

Why did people who paid to attend a course teaching them how to pass the assessment centre all (mysteriously :rolleyes:) get job offers?

Agree with all you said but would be interested to know more on the above - who does these courses - thinking of for the next time as competition will be stiff to say the least

if you do not wish to post hit me with a PM thanks

Delancey

1967J wrote: »

Agree with all you said but would be interested to know more on the above - who does these courses - thinking of for the next time as competition will be stiff to say the least

if you do not wish to post hit me with a PM thanks

I do know of several people who did these ' prep ' courses and felt it was of huge benefit at the IST /AC . I have no idea who does these courses and as far as I can tell it's very much by word of mouth - they certainly don't advertise.
I can say that a number of people in the top 100 of the merit pool of C16 had done these courses , having said that I would point out that plenty of people in the top 100 had not done a course either.
I scored very well at AC and put that down to my general experience of dealing with staff , customers , etc.

1967J

Delancey wrote: »

I do know of several people who did these ' prep ' courses and felt it was of huge benefit at the IST /AC . I have no idea who does these courses and as far as I can tell it's very much by word of mouth - they certainly don't advertise.
I can say that a number of people in the top 100 of the merit pool of C16 had done these courses , having said that I would point out that plenty of people in the top 100 had not done a course either.
I scored very well at AC and put that down to my general experience of dealing with staff , customers , etc.

Thanks for that - if anyone is in the know about these would appreciate a heads up

thanks

MissGee

don quixote 3 wrote: »

Why did people who paid to attend a course teaching them how to pass the assessment centre all (mysteriously :rolleyes:) get job offers? ... I'll be wondering did they pay to jump the queue ahead of me...

Sorry, but I completely disagree with this.

My brother, myself and I know of a few others attended this course, and not one of us got in (I got my Dear John letter today too!). Personally, I went because it was my first time applying and I didn't know what to expect from the AC's, I was a nervous wreck about them! Its not a by-ball at all! AC are mostly down to how you perform on the day and confidence! It's nothing that can be 100% prepared for.

I found out about it through word of mouth and definitely would recommend it to any new appliers / nervous / unconfident folk.

Delancey

MissGee wrote: »

Sorry, but I completely disagree with this.

My brother, myself and I know of a few others attended this course, and not one of us got in (I got my Dear John letter today too!). Personally, I went because it was my first time applying and I didn't know what to expect from the AC's, I was a nervous wreck about them! Its not a by-ball at all! AC are mostly down to how you perform on the day and confidence! It's nothing that can be 100% prepared for.

I found out about it through word of mouth and definitely would recommend it to any new appliers / nervous / unconfident folk.

Good points you raise MissGee , as I mentioned I did well at AC and I attribute that performance largely to the fact that I had a lot of experience with customers , colleagues , junior staff , etc and I think that gave me a certain confidence which is crucial at AC.
I could well imagine a candidate , perhaps of a younger age , who without this sort of experience might find the AC a daunting prospect and these folks would probably benefit immensely from a course.
It is interesting that none of the people you know who did the course ultimately suceeded - although I am of course sorry for you and yours I am glad that it does prove that the courses do not give an unfair advantage.

catweasel10

Got the letter today too! Knew what it was as soon as it came in the door. I'm not too upset,as I'd already written it off after the March squad were told they were the last ones in, but it would have been nice if they could have let us know a few weeks ago. If someone could PM me details of the prep courses, I'd really appreciate it.

MissGee

Thanks Delancey! I did good at the AC, but just not good enough. I have a customer service background too, but I'm quite a nervous person when put on the spot - my mind goes blank completely! I'm alot better now though thank goodness!

I don't understand where this 'myth' has came from... Baffles me to be honest! It's a shame people are thinking that about the courses.

I came across some regulars at the course too (eg. attended for C14/C15/C16 etc.) Its not a magic pass into the PSNI - the thought of that is crazy to be honest! The PSNI is the most scrutinised police force in the world remember.

Delancey

Delancey wrote: »

I do know of several people who did these ' prep ' courses and felt it was of huge benefit at the IST /AC . I have no idea who does these courses and as far as I can tell it's very much by word of mouth - they certainly don't advertise.
I can say that a number of people in the top 100 of the merit pool of C16 had done these courses , having said that I would point out that plenty of people in the top 100 had not done a course either.
I scored very well at AC and put that down to my general experience of dealing with staff , customers , etc.

I saw recruitment tuition advertised in a local paper this year, it was discrete (i.e. a very small add) however it did blatantly state "psni recruitment tuition classes..." which I found quite odd considering how careful you're urged to be throughout the process for your own security, I mean anybody could've rocked up to it through it being in the paper.
I never went to it, or one I was highly recommended by another boardsie, purely because of the cost and I was brave and tight for money at the time, however I did regret it when my AC score came through the door...

However whilst they may well be of an advantage to go on one, I wouldn't say it's an unfair advantage. You gotta do what you gotta do to get ahead. I should've had an advantage going in to it with my employment history, despite being quite young I've vast experience with them types of situations and I know exactly how to deal with them, but fear of the unknown and how much I really wanted it got the nerves going a bit and I completely blanked. If I had been to the AC before, or went on one of the courses and therefore had a good idea of what to expect I know I could've scored massively better than I did.

Sorry to hear about the letters going out guys, I'm sure it is a disappointment after hanging in there for so long, however at the very least it's a bit of closure finally for you all. It's just a shame it has taken them so long to tell you what I'd imagine they've known for a while now was the case.

wanadrum

I got me letter yesterday - roll on the next campaign!!

sharan

Received mine as well, weird letter and then it states if the situation changes, so that will melt my head as well.

Anyway let my mate know and he came back and said youll be waiting till 2013.

So in the words of Duncan Bannatyne, many thanks for all your posts and help but....im oooout................

wannabecop

yup got my dear john also

Gee-22

sharan wrote: »

Received mine as well, weird letter and then it states if the situation changes, so that will melt my head as well.

Anyway let my mate know and he came back and said youll be waiting till 2013.

So in the words of Duncan Bannatyne, many thanks for all your posts and help but....im oooout................

2013 :eek:

Can the PSNI cope without any new recruits until then?

Delancey

Gee-22 wrote: »

2013 :eek:

Can the PSNI cope without any new recruits until then?

I suppose the best answer to that is the PSNI are now at the size as envisaged by Patten of circa 7,500 officers. It's worth noting that at this size the PSNI is significantly larger than comparable UK forces in terms of geographical area and population - it was accepted by Patten that the unique aspects of Northern Ireland justified this larger than average establishment.
Although I have seen no official figures on retirements I find it difficult to see how the PSNI would have a large number of retirements in the pipeline , many potential retirees will have already left under the Patten severance package and this combined with heavy recruitment over the last 10 years will have resulted in a significantly lower age profile than might otherwise have been the case.
We will of course see calls from the Police Federation for more officers but for fear of sounding cynical there is not a Police Union / representative body in the western world that does not regularly trot out this line.

Dietcoke1

Gee-22 wrote: »

2013 :eek:

Can the PSNI cope without any new recruits until then?

NO!

Delancey

Dietcoke1 wrote: »

NO!

Thanks Dietcoke - here's to hoping the powers-that-be see that and decide to spend some of that extra funding on recruitment.

gigity gigity

Did anyone read the belfast telegraph tonight? There was a half page article with Matt Baggot explaining about the lack of money and stuff. He said something along the lines of even 4000 more officers wouldnt be enough he needs the backup of the community as well,but he was making best use of the resources he has.

Anyway to be truthfull I dont think we have seen the end of recruitment from this pool. Im speculating but I do think that after the elections there may be more intakes. What means they use to bring people in is anyones guess but I think that the 5050 argument will continue with nationalist political parties putting pressure for it to be retained. In addition to this Enda Kenny was raising the issue with David Cameron when he went for afternoon tea but who knows what was said behind closed doors. As mentioned before there was a statement from the police federation saying they needed more officers and they would be happy for them to be selected on a 5050 basis so I think at some stage someone may decide that a few more recruits could help im not going to hold my breath as im not in the best position merit wise but will be keen to see what happens over the next 12 months.

catweasel10

Yeah, I read it too, but it doesn't seem to be posted online. It's on page 16 if anyone is interested. He also said that getting another 4,000 officers isn't going to happen, due to the recession.

Delancey

I certainly agree that zilch will happen until after the elections .

I can't help but find it deeply ironic that PSNI recruitment is ended or at least scaled back just after the go ahead is given for the construction of the new training centre :rolleyes:

Shield

I find it deeply worrying that a new terrorist organisation officially made itself known to the world today, and none of the hundreds of millions of recently secured funding will be going towards more feet on the street, so to speak.

Hammath

Got mine also. Was expecting it but its still a pain.

Ive given up to be honest. The process to get in is a joke, and a letter that expalins nothing and is received after 15 months of originally applying is ridiculous.

Lets hope the boys across the water will give me a shot Because after doing all the psni's crap about discrimination, and then being discriminated against by them, its put me right off!

TangoVictor

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There will be no police recruitment process during 2011.

According to the JoinPSNI Website; http://www.joinpsni.co.uk/