A new approach to justice.

AskMyChocolate

Heh gang,

We've watched justice fail miserably in this country for the last thirty years. Liberal left-wingers are too tolerant.Draconian right-wingers are too stupid.

Prison has become no more nor less than a masters degree for young offenders to graduate to complete scumbaggery. And it costs the state a fortune.

Letting young offenders off with a warning, after assaulting an innocent third party sends an even worse message.

So, what's the answer? I don't know, but surely we can come up with some new ideas instead of going down the two failed cul-de-sacs again and again!

I'll start.

I think it would be a good idea to sentence anyone found guilty of assault, while under the influence of alcohol, to take antabuse every day at a police station for three years.

If they realised that hitting an innocent third party would result in them not being allowed to have a drink for three years, it might make them think twice.

Just an idea. Anyone else got any ideas? Because at the moment the system is broken.

Choco

Mr Benevolent

Heh gang

You've answered your own question.

MagicMarker

You want them to take their anger out on ants!!!!? :eek:

tommyhaas

Death penalty for repeat offenders of serious crimes

chin_grin

And where are we going to get the money and time (and space) to babysit all these ne'er do wells while they're sitting on their holes for three days eh?

(opens can)

Bring back the death penalty! Or just castrate\sterilise the junkies? Either would do.

:pac:

sensibleken

Jaywalkers should be nailed to an elephant!
People who wear sunglasses indoors, ass-raped by cats!
Cruelt to animals, sent to live in castlebar.

SeaFields

Free legal aid is taken from social welfare payments of the individual if convicted.

Seloth

Thank god I thought this thread was going to be one of those "LETS MARCH ON THE DAIL TO CHANGE JSUTICE" with a person lacking any degree in Law,Politics or Public Administration.

That'd be hilarious to do to them.Mild capital Punishment ftw

Sunnyisland

As most crime is committed by the same type of people from the same type of areas and really dont touch the majority of the population,Governments are happy enough to leave it well alone and not get serious about doing something to get to the root of the problem. nothing changes if nothing changes.

Hookah

Simple.

Legalise drugs.

Use the resousces saved to rehabilitate the rest of the prison population, using proven rehabilitation methods.

discus

I like the antabuse idea!

Fran1985

County councils would save a fortune if criminals, instead of a warning were asked to do supervised litter pick ups for 100 hours in a one month period. Any one caught not putting in the effort will have to start again. Graffiti removal will also be accepted. Use them to our benefit. The current community service obviously isn't working, but if the minimum sentence for every minor crime was 100 hours supervised community service, My God the place would be spotless! All current litter wardens (we may need more) could become the supervisors to this service so that cops aren't taken away from catching more litter picker uppers! 100 hours of that in a month, thats 3 hours a day at least!!! I tell ya i wouldn't want to be doing that every month

sensibleken

Go go go new justice team
go go go go team team team
who's the newest justice team
the new justice team!

Sunnyisland

SeaFields wrote: »

Free legal aid is taken from social welfare payments of the individual if convicted.

And the ones not on social welfare ? I know we will just set up tribunals and make them step down from there positions with big pensions.You want to try and stop crime in this country start from the top down not the bottom up .

sensibleken

realies wrote: »

And the ones not on social welfare ? I know we will just set up tribunals and make them step down from there positions with big pensions.You want to try and stop crime in this country start from the top down not the bottom up .

no, do both!

Orando Broom

The Irish army is an exceptionally well drilled, disciplined unit, send underage offenders to boot camps, have it staffed by Army men. Bring in young trainee guards to work in the camp. Bring in Army trained tradesmen/teachers to run the shop courses and all the classes required to make the young offenders more productive members of society.

The trainee guards need to be taught to have a bit of empathy with youngsters from disadvantageous areas and visa versa, break down that adversarial barrier and maybe develop an mutual understanding for each others persepctives.

sensibleken

Orando Broom wrote: »

The Irish army is an exceptionally well drilled, disciplined unit, send underage offenders to boot camps, have it staffed by Army men. Bring in young trainee guards to work in the camp. Bring in Army trained tradesmen/teachers to run the shop courses and all the classes required to make the young offenders more productive members of society.

The trainee guards need to be taught to have a bit of empathy with youngsters from disadvantageous areas and visa versa, break down that adversarial barrier and maybe develop an mutual understanding for each others persepctives.

great. skangers with advanced weapons training. nice idea.

on the second point, me hole, I have a 24 hour garda presence outside my gaf because of the crime in the area. the gardai are great but one was beaten up the other day by some little scrote. any weakness and these little ****s will feed of it

Saila

get rid of the mindset of "but they are someones son"
yes, so was mughabi and hitler and those who ordered genocide in rwanda :rolleyes:

it doesnt cost anything either

Orando Broom

sensibleken wrote: »

great. skangers with advanced weapons training. nice idea.

on the second point, me hole, I have a 24 hour garda presence outside my gaf because of the crime in the area. the gardai are great but one was beaten up the other day by some little scrote. any weakness and these little ****s will feed of it

Where did I mention weapons?

sensibleken

Saila wrote: »

get rid of the mindset of "but they are someones son"
yes, so was mughabi and hitler and those who ordered genocide in rwanda :rolleyes:

it doesnt cost anything either

nonsense, genocide is expensive business

Pauleta

1st of all i think we need more prisons. People are being let out on "Good behaviour" because there is no space. Secondly i think we have to introduce a proper bail system and legalise bounty hunting to enforce it. Criminals can afford the small amounts of bail that judges hand out. If bail is set a high cost, then criminals will be less likely to offend if they lose thousands rather than a couple of hundred and if bail bondsmen hear of any unruly behaviour then they can revoke the bail and send them to prison. Thirdly and most importantly i feel judges have to be held accountable for their shoddy sentencing. If there currently is an ombudsman then they are not doing their job and needs to be replaced. I feel judges should be held accountable by the people. Similar to jury duty, i think each judge should face randomly elected people to deem if the judge has sentenced correctly on an annual basis. This can be in the form of a defence lawyer and a member of the DDP, with the jury deciding if the judge is still fit to hold his/her role.

sensibleken

Orando Broom wrote: »

Where did I mention weapons?

what would the army guys be teaching embroydary?

Sunnyisland

Orlando Broom wrote: »

The Irish army is an exceptionally well drilled, disciplined unit, send underage offenders to boot camps, have it staffed by Army men. Bring in young trainee guards to work in the camp. Bring in Army trained tradesmen/teachers to run the shop courses and all the classes required to make the young offenders more productive members of society.

The trainee guards need to be taught to have a bit of empathy with youngsters from disadvantageous areas and visa versa, break down that adversarial barrier and maybe develop an mutual understanding for each others persepctives.

Something like this certainly would help, But once again when people dont see people in positions of power in already well paid jobs robbing and swindling billions of euros being charged and brought to justice and sentenced to prison if convicted to long term sentences, sure why should people care, with the result that this acceptance of one law for them and one law for us is now undermining our whole societies.

Fremen

AskMyChocolate wrote: »

So, what's the answer? I don't know, but surely we can come up with some new ideas instead of going down the two failed cul-de-sacs again and again!

Prison for violent offenders only, massive f*ck-off fines for everyone else. Money talks and our state is bankrupt.

Orando Broom

sensibleken wrote: »

what would the army guys be teaching embroydary?

Do you actually know anything about the Irish army? There are chefs, mechanics, carpenters, plumbers in the service. What is more I'd wager than if they turned their hand to 'embroydary' (sic) they would become quickly proficient at it.

Knasher

I think they should bring back in hard labour so prisons can pay for themselves.
I also think criminals should be required to wear GPS ankle monitors for a number of years with limits placed on where they can go and the numbers allowed to group together and (seeing as it's possible) if their crime was alcohol related, used to monitor their blood alcohol level.

sensibleken

Orando Broom wrote: »

Do you actually know anything about the Irish army? There are chefs, mechanics, carpenters, plumbers in the service. What is more I'd wager than if they turned their hand to 'embroydary' (sic) they would become quickly proficient at it.

And while theyre teaching skangers dove tail joints and putting normal teachers out of work who'll be looking out for the Vikings aye?

AskMyChocolate

Orando Broom wrote: »

The Irish army is an exceptionally well drilled, disciplined unit, send underage offenders to boot camps, have it staffed by Army men. Bring in young trainee guards to work in the camp. Bring in Army trained tradesmen/teachers to run the shop courses and all the classes required to make the young offenders more productive members of society.

The trainee guards need to be taught to have a bit of empathy with youngsters from disadvantageous areas and visa versa, break down that adversarial barrier and maybe develop an mutual understanding for each others persepctives.

I think this is a superb idea. They could finish off the half-built developments in the country. If they built them themselves and felt that they were their's, rather than being given council houses, they'd be far more likely to appreciate them. People always take a greater pride in something that they believe they earned and own.

I know I sound a little utopian here, and maybe it won't work, but what's the downside even if it does fail?

Ditch

Fremen wrote: »

Prison for violent offenders only, massive f*ck-off fines for everyone else. Money talks and our state is bankrupt.

Problem there is that Realies' non violent Bankers could just pay the fines.

Those at the other extreme of the social strata would simply return to crime to, initially, attempt to pay their fine ~ maybe.

But, if they're and fined some more? There comes a point where ones level of debt becomes meaningless. And, eg. If someone owes a Grand, but are living on the bread line? A court may decree that they can only afford to pay a Euro a week.

How much " Massive, f*ck off fine " before even the most smacked out individual realises that they'll simply never live long enough to pay their current fines.

Wow! Yeah! What a concept! So, I can spend my life doing what ever non violence I like and all that happens is they stitch more 0's onto this meaningless 'Bill' I owe ~ at my one euro a week.

F**k 'em! I'm untouchable! I can steal what I like. Getting caught brings me no meaningful punishment.

See ....?



Hang the b@stards!

Eric Cartman

AskMyChocolate wrote: »

Heh gang,

We've watched justice fail miserably in this country for the last thirty years. Liberal left-wingers are too tolerant.Draconian right-wingers are too stupid.

Prison has become no more nor less than a masters degree for young offenders to graduate to complete scumbaggery. And it costs the state a fortune.

Letting young offenders off with a warning, after assaulting an innocent third party sends an even worse message.

So, what's the answer? I don't know, but surely we can come up with some new ideas instead of going down the two failed cul-de-sacs again and again!

I'll start.

I think it would be a good idea to sentence anyone found guilty of assault, while under the influence of alcohol, to take antabuse every day at a police station for three years.

If they realised that hitting an innocent third party would result in them not being allowed to have a drink for three years, it might make them think twice.

Just an idea. Anyone else got any ideas? Because at the moment the system is broken.

Choco

your weak attempt to pretend your a rational person in the middle is weak , just admit your part of the looney left and we can move on.

death penalty needs to be re-introduced for violent crimes, castration for sex offences and pats on the back for large scale fraud/ embezzlement and other crimes only white people commit :pac:

AskMyChocolate

Eric Cartman wrote: »

your weak attempt to pretend your a rational person in the middle is weak , just admit your part of the looney left and we can move on.

death penalty needs to be re-introduced for violent crimes, castration for sex offences and pats on the back for large scale fraud/ embezzlement and other crimes only white people commit :pac:

Okay, I think.

You are, you're, Midge Ure?

Well, anytime the sane right would care to back up their hubris, with a rational argument I'm good to go.

And of course, huge taxes on Mercedes.:pac: