What is the political aim to plant bombs or is there any?

caseyann

Bomb disposal unit summoned after device found at DART line
THE DART LINE between Lansdowne Road and Greystones has been sealed off this lunchtime following the discovery of a suspicious device near the tracks at the Dún Laoghaire station.
The device was discovered near the footbridge on the old Dún Laoghaire road at around 12:15pm this lunchtime.

http://www.thejournal.ie/bomb-disposal-unit-summoned-after-device-found-at-dart-line-122837-Apr2011/

Who is planting these bombs all over Ireland?
Whats the political idea behind them?
I know none have gone off hurting anyone as of yet luckily.But if Irish people doing this what the hell are they thinking?

View

I understand that the group behind them is trying to bomb Ireland (or at least the RoI) back into the UK.

Their "logic" is you'll be more likely to favour re-joining the UK after they plant those bombs than you would before them doing so.

They are, after all, merely copying the "logic" of the groups in NI who tried to " persuade" the majority there by attempting to bomb it into a United Ireland.

Wolfe Tone

Casey, that "bomb" probably is not one, people see a box and overreact.

I assume you mean bombs like we have seen in the north? If so the above post is very flawed.

FUNKY LOVER

View wrote: »

I understand that the group behind them is trying to bomb Ireland (or at least the RoI) back into the UK.

Their "logic" is you'll be more likely to favour re-joining the UK after they plant those bombs than you would before them doing so.

They are, after all, merely copying the "logic" of the groups in NI who tried to " persuade" the majority there by attempting to bomb it into a United Ireland.

Seriously what is this?

View

FUNKY LOVER wrote: »

Seriously what is this?

A reference to the flawed "logic" used in NI by the bombers there (and indeed elsewhere in the world) - do you feel more or less inclined to go along with someone's point of view when they try to "persuade" you be using random acts of violence?

KeithAFC

Just people trying to bomb a way to a United Ireland. Lets resist it.

Overheal

when my NES/Famicom didn't work I just bombed it with my fist. Seems to be the same flawed logic here.

caseyann

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Casey, that "bomb" probably is not one, people see a box and overreact.

I assume you mean bombs like we have seen in the north? If so the above post is very flawed.

I havent seen any updates on that one today.
I mean the pipe bombs all over the place.They say dissidents doing it.How the hell is that for Irish people if it is them.Planting pipe bombs where Irish people can get killed for it.
If it is a bomb i dont believe any IRA member would plant near a foot bridge or under a car where Irish kids could be playing etc.. Its the fecking drug dealers :mad:
Because what political attempted point would that be?
So i wish they would stop calling them IRA, and call them gangsters murderers and criminals.

Update :The Army Bomb Squad has removed what’s believed to be a viable explosive device from the DART tracks between Monkstown and Dun Laoghaire.

98FM News understands a suspicious metal box was spotted at the DART line just after 12 o’clock and Gardaí were immedately called to the scene.
An Army Press Spokesperson has confirmed initial assessments suggest it is an improvised explosive device, but further tests are still to be carried out at military installation
http://www.98fm.com/2011/category-news-sport/device-removed-from-dart-line/

StupidLikeAFox

Technically the bombers in the north would have people believe that they are defending their country against an occupying force.

In reality they are a bunch of scumbags using a "cause" to justify their life of crime

caseyann

ColHol wrote: »

Technically the bombers in the north would have people believe that they are defending their country against an occupying force.

In reality they are a bunch of scumbags using a "cause" to justify their life of crime

This is not happening up the north.We are seeing increased pipe bombs all over.

Sunnyisland

The pipe bombs going of now in Dublin have nothing to do with any sort of politics or united Ireland, These are organised criminal gangs who have serious money to spend on weapons,its a progressive line from the sawn of shotgun up to the most advanced weapon on sale in the underworld blackmarket its only a matter of time before some one is murdered by a car bomb or something similar.

HivemindXX

I'm open to correction but I don't think we are finding a lot of pipe bombs in place at the target primed and ready to go. We're finding them, or the component parts, in the possession of people who may or may not intend to use them in the future.

To answer your question though, I think a large part of the reason to blow things up is to prove to the security services and the governments concerned that your organisation is a credible threat and should be treated seriously. Who you kill isn't as important as proving that you are capable of killing people.

My name is URL

Overheal wrote: »

when my NES/Famicom didn't work I just bombed it with my fist. Seems to be the same flawed logic here.

Percussive maintenance isn't always a bad idea =p

I'm guessing the parents of those involved in planting 'bombs' didn't use it enough when raising their kids.. or maybe used it too much

dsmythy

It's meant to terrorise people into doing what you want. Rarely seems to actually work.

The find in Dun Laoghaire was just a stash that was found rather than the planting of a bomb.

Wolfe Tone

First of all if you want to understand why militant republicans are doing what they are you need to understand who they are. I suggest reading this guide, which is fairly accurate. There are a few further subsplits(Ie Real Sinn Féin or whatever the lads in Limerick are calling themselves these days) but you don't really need to concern yourself with that.

On the whole militant republicans believe that SF through accepting the GFA have copper-fastened British rule and are administering it through Stormont. The republican movement, like what happened with the accepting of the treaty in 1921, has suffered a very nasty, bitter split. They regard Adams, and McGuinness in particular(as he was one of them, a soldier) as traitors of the highest order. They feel that the provos have abandoned republicanism and its ideals, taken the Queens shilling, etc.

This split pretty much came in two waves, in the mid nineties with the founding of the RIRA(that movement was pretty much stopped dead by Omagh) and a second later wave this century.

Why do they bomb do you ask?

There are a number of reasons.

They believe that SF have sold everyone a lie. SF say everything has changed, they say that SF have pulled the wool over everyones eyes and the union is stronger than ever and that SF, people who call themselves republicans, are enabling and helping that. In other words, SF have sided with the old enemy. SF have advocated "normalization" in the north. Militant republicans want to smash what they believe is the "myth" of normalisation. They say that this ""normalization" meerly extends to SF and the DUP playing happy families whereas on the ground it is the same as ever.

Above all militant republicans are sickened that SF have seemingly convinced most people that the Brits arent really in charge any more. They say that SF are merely an acceptable face to British rule. Its hard to overstate the bitterness of this split, in fact its hard to see who militant republicans hate more, SF or the British.

Des Dalton, president of Republican Sinn Féin, viewed as the political wing of the Continuity IRA, said his organisation would not talk to the “surrogates” of “British rule” in Northern Ireland. “From that point of view we have nothing to say to the Provisionals,” he said.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/dissidents-in-a-chilling-warning-to-prison-staff-we-have-got-your-details-15114270.html

Militant republicans believe SF have brought republicanism to its knees from a position of strength by selling out. They are apocalyptic that SF are advocating "touting" on militant republican volunteers. In fact the following video is a perfect example and sums up how and why militant republicans feel SF are traitors and hypocrites of the highest order...

By smashing normalization militant republicans want to show everyone that while the BA may be off the streets they could be back in an instant, they want to show that no matter what SF may say London is still in charge. They want to show that republicans got nothing more than what the Sunningdale Agreement offered. It wasn't good enough then, why now? What did everyone die for after that? Did Sands starve himself for Sunningdale?

Its important to note that the current militant republican campaign is NOT intended to remove the British, at least not in the short term. Their supporters arent idiots, armed struggle in an entire year these days would barely add up to a month of provo attacks during the troubles. They know they wont bomb the Brits out. Its a "wake up and see the reality" campaign. The reality that nothing has changed, and that they believe nothing will as long as British rule is being administrated by so called republicans. Personally I interpret it as something along the lines of "lets keep attacking in the hope that something along the way will happen to change everything".

Why bomb police? Simple reasons really. The reality on the ground is that the PSNI is a long way from being an impartial police force, people ARE being harassed etc. Stopped and searched for no legitimate reason, homes raided for little or no reason, crap like that. The RUC have always been the face of "British occupation" and the thought process involved in that killing was intended to portray militant republicans both as "fighting back", fighting against Brit rule and fighting against normalization, aka pretending everything is OK.

"Rowan: Did you target Peadar Heffron, or did you target a police officer?

ONH: We never target an individual in uniform. We target the uniform and what it stands for. "

The above was taken from a rather interesting interview, available to view here.

Normalization will be smashed, militant republicans will get what they want, proof that everything is the same as before, if there is an OTT reaction from the PSNI, the British government or god forbid the BA. For me personally the British Army back on the streets would pretty much be a deal breaker.

Other actions militant republicans are engaged in is so called "community policing", aka punishment beatings and kneecappings of drug dealers and anti social hoods. Its at this stage that most say militant republicans are up to their necks in drugs. That is a lie. Smuggling fags, laundering diesel, maybe, but not drugs. This "policing" is intended to both build support and provide an alternative to the unacceptable PSNI.

The attacks on courthouses are largely symbolic attacks on British rule. However its important to remember the republican prisoners, that may also be a factor in attacks on courthouses. Prisoners are treated like crap, much like prisoners in the seventies and eighties where. This provides militant republicans with excellent propaganda and there will be little condemnation from certain quarters if they follow through with their threats, it will build support.

Fundamentally militant republicans are attempting to create a situation in which British rule will be overthrown by force of arms, and the Irish will rise up once again. Thats my main objection, they know what they are doing has zero chance of resulting in a UI. I have raised that point on various sites and the reaction is invariably "ten plus years of SFs way has not got us closer to a UI has it?" I get the impression that militant republicans and their supporters regard it almost as a duty to resist British rule by force of arms.

Personally speaking I see that they have a point about how the situation has not really changed that much, but if the provos couldn't bomb the Brits out over 30 years no one will. There is nothing wrong with making a point about resisting British rule, whether they feel it is SF administered or otherwise, however you don't need to kill to do so. Civil disobedience, sit ins that type of thing will make that point just as well.

Gerry Adams copped decades ago that Armed struggle and politics where incompatible. Big success in one meant the other suffered. Thats why I think that OnH are the ones to watch, and the most dangerous. They just have the armalite.

In very very simple terms militant republicans don't feel that the GFA will lead to a UI. SF do.

I will just finish by saying that I don't support militant republicanism and I am a SF supporter and member. The above is my take on the situation, and I feel it is accurate.

caseyann

realies wrote: »

The pipe bombs going of now in Dublin have nothing to do with any sort of politics or united Ireland, These are organised criminal gangs who have serious money to spend on weapons,its a progressive line from the sawn of shotgun up to the most advanced weapon on sale in the underworld blackmarket its only a matter of time before some one is murdered by a car bomb or something similar.

I agree,but why have they referred to them as Dissident Republicans.When no political aim they are merely criminals and not in anyway shape or form Dissident Republicans.
They are merely trying to rally against and blame the IRA for these things.
And you are right one of these days some poor kids are going to end up dead if they come across these things and dont know not to touch.

HivemindXX wrote: »

I'm open to correction but I don't think we are finding a lot of pipe bombs in place at the target primed and ready to go. We're finding them, or the component parts, in the possession of people who may or may not intend to use them in the future.

To answer your question though, I think a large part of the reason to blow things up is to prove to the security services and the governments concerned that your organisation is a credible threat and should be treated seriously. Who you kill isn't as important as proving that you are capable of killing people.

Doesnt matter if they are or not does it though?They are leaving them out and around so they can kill someone.Planting is what i would call that even if not intentional planting and ready to go.
So doesnt matter if they are going to use them or not.
And havent they had them blow up outside people houses recently?
So i would say primed and ready to go in some cases already.

HivemindXX

caseyann wrote: »

Doesnt matter if they are or not does it though?They are leaving them out and around so they can kill someone.Planting is what i would call that even if not intentional planting and ready to go.
So doesnt matter if they are going to use them or not.
And havent they had them blow up outside people houses recently?
So i would say primed and ready to go in some cases already.

In my opinion there's a very big difference between keeping some pipe bombs in your shed until you can think of a use for them and planting a bomb in a bin on a busy shopping street with the intention of setting it off at lunch time.

Dannyboy83

ah ****, I was going to comment Wolfe Tone, but I can't be bothered actually.

Interesting post tho, Thanks.

harryangel

... can anyone explain to me who is behind all the bomb making recently - 42 this year?! One today and one hoax not 2 weeks ago.

http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/army-makes-safe-viable-device-in-kildare-524380.html

Breaking news make no mention of who might be responsible and *never* allow comments on these stories, what gives?