No for sale ads allowed

Tigger

What are the criteriea for for sale ads in forums

i understand why airsoft and shooting have their for sale ads to keep the guns and gun replicas off the adverts.ie; but why for example can you post a classic car ad in classic cars but not a motorbike in motorbikes

a bike in cycling but not a fishing rod in angling

a golf club in golf but not a hockey stick in hockey

a canoe in canoeing (sp?) or a scuba mask in scubaing but not an i-pod in i-poding


seems like it should be one rule or another

put simply : can we please have a for sale thread in motorbikes

Gordon

http://www.adverts.ie/for-sale/cars-motorbikes-boats/motorbikes/47

Tigger

Gordon wrote: »

http://www.adverts.ie/for-sale/cars-motorbikes-boats/motorbikes/47

thank you for your long and thought provoking reply

the classic cars forum has a supplementary for sale thread
there is a for sale vintage and classic cars section in adverts

http://www.adverts.ie/for-sale/cars-motorbikes-boats/vintage-classic/106/


and i would like the same for the users of the motorbike forum

Gordon

Tigger wrote: »

thank you for your long and thought provoking reply

It wasn't long or thought provoking, but you're welcome for the info on where to buy motorbikes on boards

KamiKazi

Gordon wrote: »

It wasn't long or thought provoking, but you're welcome for the info on where to buy motorbikes on boards

Any chance you could stop being so ignorant and answer his question?

-Chris-

It depends on the forums and the mods.

I wouldn't be happy for there to be a For Sale thread in Motors as it would be manic busy and open to abuse, and potentially a whole load of work for little benefit.

Unkel is happy to have a For Sale section in Classic cars. He obviously feels it is a worthwhile addition to the community and that it is worth the hassle of maintenance.

Each forum has its own rules and its own community. If you want to know why a particular forum doesn't have a For Sale thread, PM the local mod.

As you know, there's currently discussion of whether Motorbikes should have a For Sale thread. It'll come down to whether it's needed (i.e. in addition to adverts.ie) and whether it will create additional hassle for the mods.



Edit: I just saw this in the Motorbikes thread

P.C. wrote: »

Sorry, but for the moment this is not going to happen.

I asked the 'powers that be' and was told that that is what www.adverts.ie is there for.

I am trying for a thread where you can post a link to the advert in adverts.ie.

So we have a reason why Motorbikes won't get a For Sale thread already. Is it that you want all the other For Sale threads shut down as you don't feel it's fair, or do you think boards.ie should compete with adverts.ie as a place to sell motorbikes?

Gordon

KamiKazi wrote: »

Any chance you could stop being so ignorant and answer his question?

I don't have the answer mate, only a solution

KamiKazi

No we want an answer why it won't happen, instead of being told it isn't going to happen.

-Chris-

What advantage does a one-post per user, no discussion, use-a-template thread have over Adverts.ie?

AckwelFoley

Tigger wrote: »

thank you for your long and thought provoking reply

KamiKazi wrote: »

Any chance you could stop being so ignorant and answer his question?

KamiKazi wrote: »

No we want an answer why it won't happen, instead of being told it isn't going to happen.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is how NOT to endear yourself to the powers that be.

"hello Mr DJ, can you play this song for me you ignorant wanker"

*stone wall no*

"Play it for me ****forbrains"

*not even listening to request even though the entire DJ desk is made from stacks of discs of the song you want*

KamiKazi

Invaluable input snyper, thanks for that.

Chris, it will stop the thread from becoming a burden on the mods of the forum, as there will be no arguments about a bike being overpriced, in poor condition, etc etc.

-Chris-

No, I know why it's one post each, no discussion etc., but I'm wondering what advantage that has over an adverts.ie ad.

No photos, no ability to discuss, no place to place an offer, poor searchability etc. etc.

What's the advantage/purpose of the thread?

KamiKazi

Same reason that any other forum has a for sale thread

-Chris-

So you want one because other people have one, even though a superior solution is available?

KamiKazi

-Chris- wrote: »

So you want one because other people have one, even though a superior solution is available?

If we thought adverts.ie was the superior solution this thread wouldn't be here.

Tigger

-Chris- wrote: »

It depends on the forums and the mods.

I wouldn't be happy for there to be a For Sale thread in Motors as it would be manic busy and open to abuse, and potentially a whole load of work for little benefit.

Unkel is happy to have a For Sale section in Classic cars. He obviously feels it is a worthwhile addition to the community and that it is worth the hassle of maintenance.

Each forum has its own rules and its own community. If you want to know why a particular forum doesn't have a For Sale thread, PM the local mod.

As you know, there's currently discussion of whether Motorbikes should have a For Sale thread. It'll come down to whether it's needed (i.e. in addition to adverts.ie) and whether it will create additional hassle for the mods.



Edit: I just saw this in the Motorbikes thread


So we have a reason why Motorbikes won't get a For Sale thread already. Is it that you want all the other For Sale threads shut down as you don't feel it's fair, or do you think boards.ie should compete with adverts.ie as a place to sell motorbikes?

thats not a reason
PC was told no because the powers that be won't let him so i'm asking if we can please have a reason that, for example classics can have a thread when there is a classic section in adverts but we can't have a thread in motorbikes


i didn't for one second think that the other threads should be shut

Tigger

we give goods advice on bikes on fixing bikes on riding bikes on the overly complicated bike laws

thats what goes on in classics the two forums are similar

also run to the hills and i both ride classic bikes and drive classic cars

why not give us the thread and if it hard to police then close it

-Chris-

KamiKazi wrote: »

If we thought adverts.ie was the superior solution this thread wouldn't be here.

Excellent, then maybe I can ask this again:

-Chris- wrote: »

What's the advantage/purpose of the thread?

because last time I got a "just because" answer, which seems to be unacceptable.

Tigger

the community (rermber thats what boards is) of m-bikes could sell each other their bikes

the 266 odd bikes for sale on adverts are nearly all by non boardsies like done deal or buy and sell

we as a community could sell to each other with trust etc

Tigger

here is an example first one i clicked

http://www.adverts.ie/car/other-motorbikes/other-motorbikes/mini-chopper-harley-50cc/547013

this guy has sold 16 times on adverts but has only posted on boards once

so he sells on adverts but isn't a boardsie

i cant make it any clearer but being a boardsie used to count for something at least round here

Cuddlesworth

-Chris- wrote: »

What advantage does a one-post per user, no discussion, use-a-template thread have over Adverts.ie?

Knowledge of the poster and the sale. Seeing that KTRIC is selling his ZZR1400, knowing that he treated it well from his posts over the years and its a good deal might make me interested in a bike I wasn't looking to buy. Or KamiKazi's mint SV. The thread with one post per sale linking to adverts would make me aware at least that he was selling.

Its a community thing, something I thought boards.ie was all about.

Tigger

have you a link to that zzr1400?

-Chris-

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Its a community thing, something I thought boards.ie was all about.

To me, that's all it's about, I'm just questioning the logic out of curiosity.

Me personally, I'd be happy putting the ad on adverts and putting the link in my sig. The same community would see the ad and anybody interested could contact me.

Tigger

-Chris- wrote: »

To me, that's all it's about, I'm just questioning the logic out of curiosity.

Me personally, I'd be happy putting the ad on adverts and putting the link in my sig. The same community would see the ad and anybody interested could contact me.

if a friend asked me to look out for a bike for him a for sale thread gives me a first stop

otherwise i have to randomly encounter a sig

and some people (me) turn off sigs

Mr Magnolia

I allow a thread in the Coffee forum pointing to an adverts.ie sale as the equipment is obviously fairly niche. If I ever felt the forum was getting overrun with threads (which it certainly isn't) I'd put up a 'General FS' sticky for the regular users to take advantage of and benefit from.

No harm in suggesting something similar to the relevant moderators elsewhere, it's all dependant on the forum and it's users though.

Steve

One of the advantages of using adverts over a thread on boards is the users and mods are more clued in on how to spot scammers and timewasters etc.

That said, there are definite benefits to keeping sales within the relevant community on boards and I will always respect that. You know who you aree dealing with and chances are if the seller is an active member then you know the history behind what's for sale.

Endgame is if you want a wider audience then use adverts / carzone / donedeal / whatever but if you want to sell within the circle or people you are happy with and trust then a thread here is better.

Tigger

Steve wrote: »

One of the advantages of using adverts over a thread on boards is the users and mods are more clued in on how to spot scammers and timewasters etc.

That said, there are definite benefits to keeping sales within the relevant community on boards and I will always respect that. You know who you aree dealing with and chances are if the seller is an active member then you know the history behind what's for sale.

Endgame is if you want a wider audience then use adverts / carzone / donedeal / whatever but if you want to sell within the circle or people you are happy with and trust then a thread here is better.

while i agree 100% with this i would like to ad that we want the thread so we can buy off genuine people no so we can sell

the sellerts would be genuine community members by default

Tigger

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

I allow a thread in the Coffee forum pointing to an adverts.ie sale as the equipment is obviously fairly niche. If I ever felt the forum was getting overrun with threads (which it certainly isn't) I'd put up a 'General FS' sticky for the regular users to take advantage of and benefit from.

No harm in suggesting something similar to the relevant moderators elsewhere, it's all dependant on the forum and it's users though.

we did but Pc (our mod) wasn't allowed the higher ups said he had to use adverts

Steve

I'm not disagreeing Tigger. Is there a link to somewhere that the mod concerned told you it was disallowed by the admis? Just curious about that.

-Chris-

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71687029#post71687029

Tigger

Steve wrote: »

I'm not disagreeing Tigger. Is there a link to somewhere that the mod concerned told you it was disallowed by the admis? Just curious about that.

i know you wern'rt steve (i know your hard work from airsoft ads) i was just adding to it

the link is in the 6th post on this thread or here for you convinence

P.C. wrote: »

Sorry, but for the moment this is not going to happen.

I asked the 'powers that be' and was told that that is what www.adverts.ie is there for.

I am trying for a thread where you can post a link to the advert in adverts.ie.

Steve

Thanks, OK, cool, didn't see that. Can't see anything in the mod forum so it must have been discussed by PM.

Mr Magnolia

Tigger wrote: »

we did but Pc (our mod) wasn't allowed the higher ups said he had to use adverts

You may have misread my post, I don't allow a 'for sale' thread with discussion, I only permit a post to adverts.ie where the unit it up for sale. It works well as it brings the attention of the local community to a sale that may interest them.

Tigger

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

You may have misread my post, I don't allow a 'for sale' thread with discussion, I only permit a post to adverts.ie where the unit it up for sale. It works well as it brings the attention of the local community to a sale that may interest them.

thats exactly what we were looking for

as per the linked thread
here is the op

KamiKazi wrote: »

It works in the Airsoft forum...

Why not have a sticky'd thread, one post per user, no discussion, template to be used?

thats what you mean init

Bat Fasterd

KamiKazi wrote: »

Any chance you could stop being so ignorant and answer his question?

They were not being ignorant.

They just are that way.

Cuddlesworth

Bat Fasterd wrote: »

They were not being ignorant.

They just are that way.

If you make it out of this thread, I give you about a month at most.

Tigger

any chance of a reply to this?

Dav

Some forums have very specialised, specific and legal constraints on the buying and selling of stuff related to the particular topic.

Taking the Airsoft example, we need to know that anything being sold is under the 1 joule legal limit for an Airsoft gun. There has also been a moral decision to make sure that no kids are being sold these items. It's far more difficult to police this side of buying and selling on Adverts.ie and even now with the site having been relaunched and completely rebuilt, I wouldn't see Airsoft buying and selling working out.

On the other hand, you have something like Cycling For Sale - this was started because the folks there were buying and selling highly specialised parts and bikes and their listings on Adverts were filled with people who didn't seem to understand that a carbon fibre road racing bike is worth actually worth €2000 despite the special offer "racing" bike you saw at Halfords last week There was a lot of time being wasted and people getting frustrated and since there was a lot of buying and selling within the group anyway, we decided to go ahead with the sub-forum for it.

So with all that in mind, is there something specific in Motorbikes that would mean it would require extra care? Aside from the fact that Boardsies like to do business with other Boardsies I mean and of course the buying and selling of motor vehicles has it's own legal requirements.

I like the idea of a thread just for listings items and a link to the ad on Adverts or DoneDeal or wherever it's listed - like a community notice board. We have similar things in some of the Sports forums where they can post about up coming workshops or events. I would suggest that this definitely be the first port of call for the Motorbikes people.

Tigger

Hi Dav
Thanks for the reply. Cuddlesworth, Kamakazi and I are all involved in Airsoft so we understand the reasons behind its specialist sub forum. As for a reason that specialist stuff should be allowed inthread in the motorbike forum; well it's exactly like the cycling forum, you can buy protective gear in lidil etc for tens of euro and you can get the "same" stuff second hand for hundreds also some twenty year d bikes are better than some five year old bikes and the main thing is that you can claearly divide bikes into two catagorys : 1 being bikes owned by enthuasiasts who service meticulously who post up pics every time they improve it who constantly talk about keeping their bikes perfect or better than perfect

Or 2 being bikes that are bought, mistreated by owners with no mechanical empethy and who abuse their bike till it gets tired and old feeling and then polish it up and sell it to the next clown.

DeVore

We are kinda going the other way with things now though, instead of using Boards because Adverts wasnt what we wanted it to be, we've taken the view that Adverts needed a huge overhaul (and it recently got it) and move stuff to it when its good and ready.
Ideally all those sub forums and threads will eventually simply link to Adverts to bring the sale of those items to the communities attention.

DeV.

Wibbs

Dav wrote: »

On the other hand, you have something like Cycling For Sale - this was started because the folks there were buying and selling highly specialised parts and bikes and their listings on Adverts were filled with people who didn't seem to understand that a carbon fibre road racing bike is worth actually worth €2000 despite the special offer "racing" bike you saw at Halfords last week There was a lot of time being wasted and people getting frustrated

This seems to be a problem across the board with adverts. Put anything specialised up and you're almost guaranteed to have some window licker/chancer/fiscally wise person/tool[delete as applicable] come in with a stupidly low ball offer. Which if it happened in the cycling for sale section would be noted by a mod. Not just with specialised stuff either. It does put people off. I dunno how ye could go about reducing that though.

Steve

Wibbs wrote: »

I dunno how ye could go about reducing that though.

Silly offers like that are generally removed as threadspoiling (provided they get reported).

We can't actively look for it on adverts - it's just too busy - but every single report gets looked at and replied to by either a mod or Eddie or both.

galwaytt

-Chris- wrote: »

So you want one because other people have one, even though a superior solution is available?

I hope you're not using Adverts.ie and superior in the same sentence/thought......

Steve wrote: »

...Endgame is if you want a wider audience then use adverts / carzone / donedeal / whatever but if you want to sell within the circle or people you are happy with and trust then a thread here is better.

Dav wrote: »

On the other hand, you have something like Cycling For Sale - this was started because the folks there were buying and selling highly specialised parts and bikes and their listings on Adverts were filled with people who didn't seem to understand ..........

sounds just like motorbikes: I mean, have you seen the legislation on IBT/licences/power restrictions.............it's a minefield out there !

slavetothegrind

i think it's down to the mods in the motorbike forum to agree to take on the work policing a for sale thread on a 1 post(with link to adverts) per sale basis and no discussion.
if they are willing to, trial it give it a go, too much work shut it down.

i like the idea of seeing a community sale rather than a randomer.
a guy in here with a load of posts and a history is less likely to shaft you ( you would hope!)

in the past i have had great experience with adverts but am more wary now of anyone not a regular boards contributor, i think it is this concern we share here.