Is the euro worth much anymore??????????

tysonslovechild

just wanted to ask peoples opinions on this, Over the last couple of months , weve watched two Irish european champions fight for world title and lose, and tommorrow night were watching a third in Mcloskey.Now i know its not just the irish champions but all euro champs, that seem to get world title fights when theyve dominated europe. But looking at the irish lads who fought for world titles, there opposition up till then has been pretty poor in comparison to the world level. I know willie casey might be a small exception due to the fact he was pushed in too early , but i also believe mcloskey tommorow night will just be a third by late stoppage. I just want to ask people is it not common sense that anybody that should dominate in europe should at least fight someone from the top ten first before even being considered for a world title.As then we hopefully know where our fighter stands and also wont be paying through the teeth to watch a fight on ppv that deosnt last two rounds.

walshb

I take the euro tile with a BIG pinch of salt. At times there are champs who really aren't even euro level, yet somehow, they get a shot and take a title.
Euro champ does not mean you are the best in Europe all the time; similar to the world champ tag.

Look at Andy Murray. He is the number one contender? I mean, what has he done, or who has he beat?.

Casey and Hyland fighting for euro belt?

bellybuster12

walshb wrote: »

I take the euro tile with a BIG pinch of salt. At times there are champs who really aren't even euro level, yet somehow, they get a shot and take a title.
Euro champ does not mean you are the best in Europe all the time; similar to the world champ tag.

Look at Andy Murray. He is the number one contender? I mean, what has he done, or who has he beat?.

Casey and Hyland fighting for euro belt?

+1

Casey and Hyland fighting for euro belt is nothing short of a joke, if they are top euro fighters, it doesnt say much for the division.

i have said on another thread about irish/euro boxers are not in the same class as most u.s boxers for example.

i think andy lee fighting in the u.s is the best thing for him as if he was ever to have a chance, he in the right place trainer,sparring etc..

its simple the big money is in the u.s and thats where you have to be if you have any ambition of been at a world stage.
the good ones are snapped up by big name gyms in the states and i honestly think irish and european are really on the B team.

i think euro level is not just a little behind but a mile behind, imo

joepenguin

Casey was a mandatory challenger for Kiko. At the time Hyland was mandatory challanger.
Kiko pulled out with an injury and vacated the title (the title been too easily vacated may be why we see more champs)
Hyland was the highest ranked in europe at the time so casey fought him for the title instead.
As hyland was #1 that made it ok in my eyes, it saves the promo and casey was ranked 9th i think. The winner was to fight kiko but we all know what happened there.
Kiko won back the euro title again tonight stopping booth in the 10th.

Joe Musashi

bellybuster12 wrote: »

+1

Casey and Hyland fighting for euro belt is nothing short of a joke, if they are top euro fighters, it doesnt say much for the division.

i have said on another thread about irish/euro boxers are not in the same class as most u.s boxers for example.

i think andy lee fighting in the u.s is the best thing for him as if he was ever to have a chance, he in the right place trainer,sparring etc..

its simple the big money is in the u.s and thats where you have to be if you have any ambition of been at a world stage.
the good ones are snapped up by big name gyms in the states and i honestly think irish and european are really on the B team.

i think euro level is not just a little behind but a mile behind, imo

Whites (Europeans) are competing very well at world level. You see these kind of things a lot; "Europeans aren't as good, can't compete with Americans", (Europeans meaning Whites and Americans meaning blacks usually)

Perhaps I haven't picked up exactly what you meant correctly. Dunno.

I agree walshb's post, summed it up quite well.

walshb

bellybuster12 wrote: »

+1

Casey and Hyland fighting for euro belt is nothing short of a joke, if they are top euro fighters, it doesnt say much for the division.

Nail on the head...And it applies to other divisions too. Where is the talent?

Wild_Dogger

Was it ever worth much ?

Europeans were looked at as an easy touch until the emergence of the Russians after the fall of communism .

East Europe opened up ,and floods of un-pronouncable names rose in the ranks and here we are : http://www.fightnews.com/rankings-2

bellybuster12

Joe Musashi wrote: »

Whites (Europeans) are competing very well at world level. You see these kind of things a lot; "Europeans aren't as good, can't compete with Americans", (Europeans meaning Whites and Americans meaning blacks usually)

Perhaps I haven't picked up exactly what you meant correctly. Dunno.

I agree walshb's post, summed it up quite well.

my point is more, boxers fighting out of the u.s. more so than the white vs the back thing:D

Spazdarn

Where did the race come into it?!

Is that you B-hop?

walshb

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Where did the race come into it?!

Is that you B-hop?

Race didn't come into it, but the fact is, most of the top American boxers are, or have been, black boxers. When we speak of European boxers and champs, we tend to think of white boxers, and of course, you will get black boxers from Europe.

tysonslovechild

wether its black boxers or white or latino for that matter, it is true with whats being said as in regards black fighters , most notably class fighters do come from america, but its got to be said the style of boxing from america has always pretty much shown how to beat a class european fighter, but the flip side to that nowadays is vlad klitchcko, true it can be argued that the heavyweight division is poor, klitchko has a style that deosnt win him alot of fans in the US, but all in all black and latino fighters do rule the ring magazine rankings

joepenguin

The more world belts there are weakens the euro as well.
If there was only one world champ then the euro would be vacated less, but with 4-5 world titles and all the interim/super belts its been vacated more and more. A fighter like Willie Casey, all respect to him should have never been in a position to vacate the european championship belt.