2012 Athletics qualifying times released

TheRoadRunner

Apologies if this is a double post

Standards can be found here

MacSwifty

TheRoadRunner wrote: »

Apologies if this is a double post

Standards can be found here

OCI/AAI may still amend though!

Krusty_Clown

I see Dublin is the only qualifying Irish marathon, which is a bit of a shame, given that Cork is now a full member of AIMS (is that the same thing as certification?). But the list is determined by the IAAF.

YFlyer

Only 16 countries allowed to enter the relay. It should be double that.

Dan man

I think we will have at least a dozen athletes who will hit the A standard. These 11 should reach the standard.

1. Paul Hession (200m)
2. David Gillick (400m)
3. Martin Fagan (Marathon)
4. Alistair Cragg (Marathon)
5. Robert Heffernan (20km/50km Walk) QUALIFIED
6. Colin Griffin (50km Walk)
7. Jamie Costin (50km Walk)
8. Derval O'Rourke (100m Hurdles)
9. Mary Cullen (5,000m)
10. Olive Loughnane (20km Walk) QUALIFIED
11. Fionnuala Britton (3,000m Steeplechase)

Then a fair amount of these athletes could also get the standard by next summer:

• Ailish Mc Sweeney (100m)
• Niamh Whelan (200m)
• Joanne Cuddihy (400m)
• Tori Pena (Pole Vault)
• Kelly Proper (Long Jump)
• Roisin McGettigan (3,000m Steeplechase)
• Mark Kenneally (Marathon)
• Jason Smyth (100m)
• Ciara Mageean (1,500m)
• Laura Reynolds (20km Walk)
• Women's 4x100m Relay
  David Mc Carthy

Also, I wouldn't rule out Thomas Chamney, Deirdre Ryan or women's 4x400m Relay squad. Athletes like Steven Colvert, Mark English, Darren McBrearty, Justine Kinney, Brian Gregan will be capable of B standards but it's hard to know yet whether they will progress in time for next year.

Apologies in advance as I have probably overlooked someone!! By the way, what's the story with Eileen O'Keeffe? Will she be competing this year?

YFlyer

Chamney is moving up to the 1500?

Dan man

YFlyer wrote: »

Chamney is moving up to the 1500?

Yes he already made the transition last year where he competed in both the 800m and 1,500m in Barcelona. I think he has more potential in the 1500m.

thirstywork2

Dan man wrote: »

I think we will have at least a dozen athletes who will hit the A standard. These 11 should reach the standard.

1. Paul Hession (200m)
2. David Gillick (400m)
3. Martin Fagan (Marathon)
4. Alistair Cragg (Marathon)
5. Robert Heffernan (20km/50km Walk) QUALIFIED
6. Colin Griffin (50km Walk)
7. Jamie Costin (50km Walk)
8. Derval O'Rourke (100m Hurdles)
9. Mary Cullen (5,000m)
10. Olive Loughnane (20km Walk) QUALIFIED
11. Fionnuala Britton (3,000m Steeplechase)

Then a fair amount of these athletes could also get the standard by next summer:

• Ailish Mc Sweeney (100m)
• Niamh Whelan (200m)
• Joanne Cuddihy (400m)
• Tori Pena (Pole Vault)
• Kelly Proper (Long Jump)
• Roisin McGettigan (3,000m Steeplechase)
• Mark Kenneally (Marathon)
• Jason Smyth (100m)
• Ciara Mageean (1,500m)
• Laura Reynolds (20km Walk)
• Women's 4x100m Relay
  David Mc Carthy

Also, I wouldn't rule out Thomas Chamney, Deirdre Ryan or women's 4x400m Relay squad. Athletes like Steven Colvert, Joe English, Darren McBrearty, Justine Kinney, Brian Gregan will be capable of B standards but it's hard to know yet whether they will progress in time for next year.

Apologies in advance as I have probably overlooked someone!! By the way, what's the story with Eileen O'Keeffe? Will she be competing this year?

Who is Joe English?Sean Connolly has B standard from last weeks Rotterdam marathon.Andrew Ledwith maybe in the marathon?

Dan man

Sorry, I mean Mark English.

myflipflops

thirstywork2 wrote: »

Sean Connolly has B standard from last weeks Rotterdam marathon

I think we can be certain this time that no B standards will be accepted. He has a prett good chance of going under 2.15 though.

Hopefully this weekend will give us 2 A standards in the marathon from Cragg and Kenneally. It would be really great to see a guy like Kenneally make the Olympics.

TrackFan123

I don't get why they wont accept B standards? This is the closest these athletes are ever going to get to a 'home' Olympics and I think those with B standards would really up their game if given a chance in London. It won't be as expensive as taking athletes all the way to Beijing so why not just give them the chance? It could really aid their development and pay off in the future.

I can see many athletes reluctantly going to the Europeans (horrendous decision to make it a 2 year cycle) so they can stay on funding

ecoli

myflipflops wrote: »

I think we can be certain this time that no B standards will be accepted. He has a prett good chance of going under 2.15 though.

Hopefully this weekend will give us 2 A standards in the marathon from Cragg and Kenneally. It would be really great to see a guy like Kenneally make the Olympics.

I think we will have 3 in London. I think the B will be taking if we dont have 3 making the standard however if the lads get the time at weekend and Fagans coach change pulls off and he manages to get in an autumn marathon i can see three with A standard

downwithfacses

Dan man wrote: »

I think we will have at least a dozen athletes who will hit the A standard. These 11 should reach the standard.

• Ailish Mc Sweeney (100m)
• Niamh Whelan (200m)
• Joanne Cuddihy (400m)
• Tori Pena (Pole Vault)
• Kelly Proper (Long Jump)
• Roisin McGettigan (3,000m Steeplechase)
• Mark Kenneally (Marathon)
• Jason Smyth (100m)
• Ciara Mageean (1,500m)
• Laura Reynolds (20km Walk)
• Women's 4x100m Relay
  David Mc Carthy

dave campbell and chamney have a far better chance of getting the A standard than any of these people....both their pbs are under the A standard in the 800

sleapy235

I don't think there will be any adjustment to these times by the AAI or OCI, I think they are fair enough times across the board. As expected, not much different to the World Championship standards, with the standards being easier in 800/1500 and slightly more difficult in a couple of events.
The 400m standard does look very tough (jumped from 45.55 to 45.25). That looks like an attempt to decrease the number of participants in the 400m so as to allow for having 2 semi finals instead of 3, which put a lot of pressure on the athletes in the semis in the last couple of major championships and led to faster times across the board in the semis than in the final.
I can see why some people would argue that B Standard athletes should be sent given it's so close to home but the last number of Olympics have proven that B standards just don't cut it at the Olympic Games, and it brings bad publicity to the sport when Irish athletes are seen trailing in last in the heats. However, I think it should be considered if athletes are under 25 as the experience may be beneficial for the future.

Dan man

downwithfacses wrote: »

dave campbell and chamney have a far better chance of getting the A standard than any of these people....both their pbs are under the A standard in the 800

You edited my post unfairly, I didn't say those 11 athletes should reach the A standard, I said a fair amount of those could attain the standard by next summer. The athletes I said should reach the standard were the 11 I put on first list such as derval, gillick, heffernan, etc. As I said, Thomas chamney has the potential as does Dave Campbell, providing he can have an injury-free period.

ocnoc

sleapy235 wrote: »

I can see why some people would argue that B Standard athletes should be sent given it's so close to home but the last number of Olympics have proven that B standards just don't cut it at the Olympic Games, and it brings bad publicity to the sport when Irish athletes are seen trailing in last in the heats. However, I think it should be considered if athletes are under 25 as the experience may be beneficial for the future.

Yet we send teams to the Soccer World Cup and they don't make the semi's...
So, if we're not going to win, why bother?... Good attitude.

Where is the bad publicity? Do the "media" know or even care how much effort people put in, generally for themselves, sacrificing their own time to try achieve something?
If people actually knew the sheer amount of time and effort top athletes put in, they would be horrified. And I'm not talking about the Elites, I'm talking about the people below the top, the ones that are busting their ass to get good times in races even if they are not good records. To even achieve the B standard is one hell of an achievement.
So they are not going to win, big deal.

Better to have tried and failed that to have been a begrudger who couldn't be bothered trying.

myflipflops

Just to point out - I'm not agreeing with the decision not to send 'B' standard athletes at all. I'm just pointing it out as fact.

The comments out of Pat Hickey pretty much tell us that the OCI will definately not accept B standards for London. The terms of the agreement with the AAI state that B standard athletes will not be put forward for selection at all.

sleapy235

Bit of an over-reaction there I think, I'm certainly not a begrudger, nobody wants to see our athletes do well more than me, there's such a thing as engaging in a debate without resorting to unnecessary comments like that. And the comparison with the soccer world cup is pushing it a bit in fairness.
To achieve a B Standard takes a ridiculous amount of dedication and talent, I'm well aware of that. However the media and general public usually don't understand this and to be honest it's not a good sight to see Irish athletes trailing in last. B Standard just isn't competitive at Olympic level, its just a fact. I used to be outraged at the failure to send some B Standard athletes previously but the fact is that they never make an impact. Also, setting higher targets to aim for improves standards, there's no doubt about that. That's why many other nations also only accept A standards, and it's the same for the Irish swimmers as the athletes regarding A standards. The aim should not be just to qualify for the Olympics, it should be to go there and be competitive as well. Like I said though, young athletes with B Standards should be selected, it would bring them on a great deal.
Anyway, I reckon we should have at least 12 A standard qualifiers, hopefully more.

myflipflops

Unfortunately Mark Kenneally didn't get the A standard today.

I clocked him at high 2.17 off the live stream on the Vienna marathon site.

sleapy235

myflipflops wrote: »

Unfortunately Mark Kenneally didn't get the A standard today.

I clocked him at high 2.17 off the live stream on the Vienna marathon site.

Still thats a pretty solid debut, and he'll have more chances to get the time.

Dan man

myflipflops wrote: »

Unfortunately Mark Kenneally didn't get the A standard today.

I clocked him at high 2.17 off the live stream on the Vienna marathon site.

It's a decent platform for him to build upon now, he'll maybe be a little disappointed but least now he knows that the Olympic standard of 2:15hrs is within his reach. So all in all, a positive debut in my opinion.

ecoli

sleapy235 wrote: »

Also, setting higher targets to aim for improves standards, there's no doubt about that. .

There is another side to the coin here in the fact that our athletes must peak at the wrong time in order to just qualify.

Middle distance - long distance runners in this country recently (even those who hit the A standard) have seemed to have run sub par in championships. Many times its because the athletes have been dedicating their seasons to hitting the standards rather than the actual competition. Granted other countries have the same problem however if we look to other countries (US being one) we see many early season high quality races designed specifically to get qualifying times out of the way.Peyton Jordan being an example of a 10k in which many of the US look to get the 10k time out of the way and get back to focus on the build up to Global championships.

runjb

I don't think this will be a major problem. Any athletes with serious ambitions for London will get qualification out of the way THIS SUMMER, therefore in 2012 their focus will be solely peaking for the games.

The European Champs next summer will also provide a great opportunity for some athletes to step up their performance and maybe grab a qualifying time. We've seen time and again of examples of athletes peaking to soon but then again we've also seen examples of some athletes who have the ability to keep up performances for an extended length of time, and London will certainly motivate them to do so. But the likes of Derval, Hession, Gillick etc will not want to leave it until next year to get qualification sorted.

TrackFan123

runjb wrote: »

I don't think this will be a major problem. Any athletes with serious ambitions for London will get qualification out of the way THIS SUMMER, therefore in 2012 their focus will be solely peaking for the games.

The European Champs next summer will also provide a great opportunity for some athletes to step up their performance and maybe grab a qualifying time. We've seen time and again of examples of athletes peaking to soon but then again we've also seen examples of some athletes who have the ability to keep up performances for an extended length of time, and London will certainly motivate them to do so. But the likes of Derval, Hession, Gillick etc will not want to leave it until next year to get qualification sorted.

I think i heard any athlete that competes at the euro's will not be considered for London

runjb

I wouldn't believe. I don't think AAI will stop any of our top athletes from competing in Euros. The likes of Gillick or O'Rourke might use it to start tuning up for competitive races. While many others such as Chamney or Proper might feel they could snatch a medal. No way in hell would AAI penalise anyone who competes in them.

plodder

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

I see Dublin is the only qualifying Irish marathon, which is a bit of a shame, given that Cork is now a full member of AIMS (is that the same thing as certification?). But the list is determined by the IAAF.

Strange list. Look at the ones for the UK - only two, London, and the Falkland Islands. But, there's three different qualifiers in Perth Australia