Whats a good choice in 22lr Gallery rifle?

clivej

As the title -
I'm looking at good options for a 22lr Gallery rifle that will shoot good enough groups out to 50m. Is "1MOA ish" looking for/hoping for too much?

The ruger 10/22 is one option but reading the Net they need a bit of work to get them to shoot well. I don't won't to spend the earth starting out but need something to get started with that will shoot OK.

Your opinions please...........................

Bananaman

Browning Buckmark is a good option

one of the top competitors in the country uses one

personally I am a big fan

not so much with the 10/22 but I think it is the mags and standard mag release that put me off - not to say they are not a good rifle - would definitely be the most common in GRSB competition and definitely accurate enough - can be customized any way you like it

remember that in the longer matches you have to shoot from both shoulders so be sure you can if buying a customized rifle

B'Man

Dr_Teeth

A basic 10/22 carbine is a 2-3 MOA gun out of the box, with decent ammo. The 'target' models with heavier barrels are probably better than this, I haven't shot one of those though.

This level of precision is certainly enough for gallery rifle until you get to the stage where you're trying to win national competitions. I don't think you'll find another semi-auto .22 that is significantly better in the same price range.

The great thing about 10/22s is the wealth of parts that are available. You can make the gun as precise as you want, as heavy or light as you want, with whatever type of sights you want, with whatever shape & size of stock, with whatever accessories you want etc.

All this costs money of course but it's fun to modify these guns to such an extent without needing a gun smith.

clivej

Which of these will group better, I'm leaning towards the Ruger with the heavy barrel. I'll have to sell my CZ Varmint custom to buy either one.

Well I took a drive to the dealers and was looking at these:

Ruger Tactical 10/22 - NEW. Heavy barrel and synthetic (plastic) stock. Nice bit of weight to it.




And the Buckmark 22lr semi-auto - Second-Hand. Very light weight but nice to hold

Sparks

Will the buckmark bump you up a security level Clive?

clivej

Sparks wrote: »

Will the buckmark bump you up a security level Clive?

No I have the full eircom alarm system in place here and it's always used.

I was just looking at reviews and videos for the Ruger 10/22 target tactical and its coming out OK as to groups 1/2" - 3/4" ish @50m.

Its just I'm getting fed up with JUST shooting papaer for the summer and wanted to try the Gallery shooting comps. now that I have the AW93 a-coming.
I might just put up the CZ varmint for sale here and see if there's any interest in it.

Sparks

Just as a random thought, there is that natty little Baikal semi-auto out there as well (the mp-161k), if you can find it (EAAcorp do them in the US but I don't know who does them over here), it's gotten a fair bit of good comment so far:

clivej

Sparks wrote: »

Will the buckmark bump you up a security level Clive?

I was just looking at an older post here
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056082067
on the Buckmark and if its restricted or not. That will make my mind up real quick as to wot to buy.

Sparks

It's restricted clive, but don't get me wrong, that's not a reason not to get one. If it's the one that suits the task best, get it. The restricted status is just something to keep in mind when doing the licence application (and when making the decision if it'll require more security at home - but most of us already meet the security conditions for one restricted firearm and you meet the conditions for as many as the super will licence you for).

In other words, it's something you must keep in mind but it shouldn't be a reason to pick an inferior tool if the buckmark is what suits you best.

Glensman

clivej wrote: »

As the title -
I'm looking at good options for a 22lr Gallery rifle that will shoot good enough groups out to 50m. Is "1MOA ish" looking for/hoping for too much?

The ruger 10/22 is one option but reading the Net they need a bit of work to get them to shoot well. I don't won't to spend the earth starting out but need something to get started with that will shoot OK.

Your opinions please...........................

My 10/22T shot well straight out of the box. It will easily shoot CCI standards sub 1" @50m and is better again with subs.
It does, however, have good days and bad days- which I believe is down to the stock not being bedded.

If it were me clive I would go for the 10/22, you can customise it to your heart is content, which is fun in and of itself.

clivej

Glensman wrote: »

My 10/22T shot well straight out of the box. It will easily shoot CCI standards sub 1" @50m and is better again with subs.
It does, however, have good days and bad days- which I believe is down to the stock not being bedded.

If it were me clive I would go for the 10/22, you can customise it to your heart is content, which is fun in and of itself.

Do you think bedding the Houge stock it comes with will/would make it more consistent to shoot then?

I'm leaning towards the 10/22 at the moment because I like a heavy rifle in the hand. I'm thinking of using a red dot reflex sight as well.

Glensman

clivej wrote: »

Do you think bedding the Houge stock it comes with will/would make it more consistent to shoot then?

I'm leaning towards the 10/22 at the moment because I like a heavy rifle in the hand. I'm thinking of using a red dot reflex sight as well.

Mine came with the laminate thumbhole stock...
Bedding is bound to help it, when you look at the stock there is nothing special about the tolerances. When you remove the takdown screw you can move the action in the stock.

I had a Volquartsen TG2000 which I sold on this forum, it was a great job. I may buy a Kidd trigger in the summer. Something to remember is the Target comes with a the plastic trigger, although this sounds crap it's a good bit better than the old Ruger triggers. It also incorporates an extended mag release which is better than the one on the TG2000 as you don't accidentally release the mag when climbing over fences.

I also put in a bolt buffer, which I don't see as a major benifit at all.

clivej

Glensman wrote: »

Mine came with the laminate thumbhole stock...
Bedding is bound to help it, when you look at the stock there is nothing special about the tolerances. When you remove the takdown screw you can move the action in the stock.

I had a Volquartsen TG2000 which I sold on this forum, it was a great job. I may buy a Kidd trigger in the summer. Something to remember is the Target comes with a the plastic trigger, although this sounds crap it's a good bit better than the old Ruger triggers. It also incorporates an extended mag release which is better than the one on the TG2000 as you don't accidentally release the mag when climbing over fences.

I also put in a bolt buffer, which I don't see as a major benifit at all.

I didn't notice the plastic trigger I'll have to look again at it. This model has the 16 1/2" heavy (looks to be 1") barrel and the trigger feels good as it is.

bunny shooter

If it were me I'd go with the Buckmark

Glensman

clivej wrote: »

I didn't notice the plastic trigger I'll have to look again at it. This model has the 16 1/2" heavy (looks to be 1") barrel and the trigger feels good as it is.

I'm sure I had mine 2 weeks before I realised it was plastic. If it felt good then it probably is plastic.

I think mine was an 18" barrel. Ferghal shortened it to around 16 1/2 and threaded it for me. The barrel is .920 diameter, it makes them a little bit front heavy but it also makes them very steady...

Bananaman

Be sure to get a chance to mount the gun

it may - or may not make a difference

B'Man

clivej

bunny shooter wrote: »

If it were me I'd go with the Buckmark

I know you would.

But then you know me and I'll do it arse ways as usual

rrpc

clivej wrote: »

I know you would.

But then you know me and I'll do it arse ways as usual

The buckmark trigger is not very good. I found it extremely gritty and very hard to judge when it would release. The shape is too curved as well, which means your finger is in contact with most of it, which also is a disadvantage.

Apart from that, it's very accurate for a semi and in that respect noticeably more accurate than a stock Ruger. Having said that, I've never tried the heavy-barrelled Ruger nor have I tried one with the Lilja barrels that you can get for them and which are available from Intershoot.

rowa

rrpc wrote: »

The buckmark trigger is not very good. I found it extremely gritty and very hard to judge when it would release. The shape is too curved as well, which means your finger is in contact with most of it, which also is a disadvantage.

Apart from that, it's very accurate for a semi and in that respect noticeably more accurate than a stock Ruger. Having said that, I've never tried the heavy-barrelled Ruger nor have I tried one with the Lilja barrels that you can get for them and which are available from Intershoot.

I had a brand new ruger 10/22T and it was miserable as far as accuracy is concerned, a bog standard brno would leave it for dead in a shoot off, people say you can get all sorts of accessories for them but i don't see the point in paying out for a supposed target rifle and the thing won't shoot straight. Most 22 semis seem to be little more then toys meant for teaching kids to shoot or plink.

Bananaman

The smallbore gallery rifle target is not that large

shooting it from both shoulders at 50m is a tough challenge

plenty of people shoot reasonable scores but it takes a lot of practice to get into the 1480/1490s and I have seen it done with both the 10/22 and buckmark

so they are well capable of the top score - it is down to the skill of the competitor as to whether they can make it do it.

I have seen a few anschutz semis about also and a few others - I would recommend going to a few gallery rifle matches and see what people are using, what their experiences are, where they got it and of course try to get an opportunity to mount a few of them - see what you think of the weight, feel, whether you like the look of it etc.

B'Man

clivej

Bananaman wrote: »

The smallbore gallery rifle target is not that large

shooting it from both shoulders at 50m is a tough challenge

plenty of people shoot reasonable scores but it takes a lot of practice to get into the 1480/1490s and I have seen it done with both the 10/22 and buckmark

so they are well capable of the top score - it is down to the skill of the competitor as to whether they can make it do it.

I have seen a few anschutz semis about also and a few others - I would recommend going to a few gallery rifle matches and see what people are using, what their experiences are, where they got it and of course try to get an opportunity to mount a few of them - see what you think of the weight, feel, whether you like the look of it etc.

B'Man

Fermoy has a comp. this weekend so I'll try to get to that and get a look see. May even get to try it out as well.

cj

Tackleberrywho

I have to say that my old 10/22 would empty mags all day without a jam and without serious cleaning.

She was a very short light barrel though.

The Buckmark I would like as I think she is just beautiful.
If you have the security already I can't see why your CSup would not let you licence one.

If it is too much hassle a 10/22 with a Lilja barrel would seem to be a serious competitor.

murph226

Thinking about a 10/22 myself, not sure what model to go for though.

Do they cycle ok using subs with a modrator?

What dealer did you see the tactical in Clive, how did it feel, was it very muzzle heavy, how do you think it would feel with a mod fitted?

What kind of price are they retailing at?

Cheers Murph

Glensman

murph226 wrote: »

Thinking about a 10/22 myself, not sure what model to go for though.

Do they cycle ok using subs with a modrator?

What dealer did you see the tactical in Clive, how did it feel, was it very muzzle heavy, how do you think it would feel with a mod fitted?

What kind of price are they retailing at?

Cheers Murph

If they're clean they'll cycle anything. Mine cycles EVERY time even when dirty.

And yes, they are muzzle-heavy. It does no harm though...

clivej

murph226 wrote: »

Thinking about a 10/22 myself, not sure what model to go for though.

Do they cycle ok using subs with a modrator?

What dealer did you see the tactical in Clive, how did it feel, was it very muzzle heavy, how do you think it would feel with a mod fitted?

What kind of price are they retailing at?

Cheers Murph

Felt OK and didn't mind the weight of the bul barrel

murph226

What kind of price was the one you saw Clive, where did you see that one?
Have you decided on one for yourself yet?

fish slapped

You still looking Clive

Maybe one of these:







:D:D:D


.

clivej

murph226 wrote: »

What kind of price was the one you saw Clive, where did you see that one?
Have you decided on one for yourself yet?

€650 for the Tactical 10 22, 16 1/2" bull barrel and trigger is a bit better than the standard ones. Ring around your local dealers they will have them at the same money. I was looking at it again today but after trying a couple of custom Rugers that are a pleasure to use it put me off buying new.

I'm thinking of going the custom route right off and looking to the UK. Saw a couple good second hand rugers but they were gone when phoned up about them.

For the same ish money, say €750, I can get a custom action, trigger and bolt and put them into a standard barrel and stock for now, until the $$$$$$ come to get those last bits.

murph226

Would ths be a substitution on my .223 license or a new application?

Is the 10/22 restricted?

clivej

murph226 wrote: »

Would ths be a substitution on my .223 license or a new application?

Is the 10/22 restricted?

You could get a sub but it would be better to hold onto your 223 and get a new license for the 10/22 (10 rounds/.22 calibre is what it means). Remember the max range for the 22lr rimfire round is about 125 yards ish.

No they are not restricted

clivej

It's looks like I'm sorted for a Ruger 10/22 Gallery rifle. I'm getting this in from the UK (hopefully it will all go well), was only talking to the seller on Sunday night. Getting the import/export sorted out now.

"High specification .22lr Ruger, cost about £1050 to build, for sale.
Fully suppressed target rifle, volquartson 20 inch target barrel with a built in moderator (new £600). KIDD target trigger (new £275). Boyds Evolution ambidex stock (new £175 approx)".

NV scope not included.

fish slapped

Looks like x-mass has come early!!

enjoy... lovely gun!

clivej

fish slapped wrote: »

Looks like x-mass has come early!!

enjoy... lovely gun!

It's always Christmas in my house, just don't tell 'her indoors'.:)

1500ppc

Hi Clivej,
All of the top shooters in the UK use a 10/22 based GR rifle and there's nothing wrong with the standard mags as long as they are cleaned from time to time. A used 10/22 over here can be had for between £150/250 depending on condition. A £50 VQ hammer and shim kit along with an extended mag release will do you for now and very few people use a red dot except for on the speed steel matches etc. You need to try out the various styles and find a stock that fits and suits your needs and the pistol grip/thumbhole ones line your trigger finger up better in relation to the trigger blade. The shorter Evo type stocks force some people to move their supporting hand back too far so don't just buy one on looks. Aftermarket stocks are not readily available for the Buckmarks and the small fore ends on them are usually too small for most people. The mag lips also start to cause problems once they are dropped a few times. Many people chop down the "T" barrels as they tend to get very heavy once you have shot a match or two but the 12.5-14" barrels balance very well and are just as accurate as anything else.

Hope to see you out on the GR circuit sometime :-) Gwyn

clivej

1500ppc wrote: »

Hi Clivej,
All of the top shooters in the UK use a 10/22 based GR rifle and there's nothing wrong with the standard mags as long as they are cleaned from time to time. A used 10/22 over here can be had for between £150/250 depending on condition. A £50 VQ hammer and shim kit along with an extended mag release will do you for now and very few people use a red dot except for on the speed steel matches etc. You need to try out the various styles and find a stock that fits and suits your needs and the pistol grip/thumbhole ones line your trigger finger up better in relation to the trigger blade. The shorter Evo type stocks force some people to move their supporting hand back too far so don't just buy one on looks. Aftermarket stocks are not readily available for the Buckmarks and the small fore ends on them are usually too small for most people. The mag lips also start to cause problems once they are dropped a few times. Many people chop down the "T" barrels as they tend to get very heavy once you have shot a match or two but the 12.5-14" barrels balance very well and are just as accurate as anything else.

Hope to see you out on the GR circuit sometime :-) Gwyn

Hi 1500
I have used the 10/22's with the Boyd Evo stock and find they fit me well, I'm only a wee chap. As said above I've done a deal and think the custom Ruger I got will do just fine, fingers crossed.

I'm not outa pocket as I sold my custom 22lr CZ varmint for what I paid for the one I'm getting (don't ask)

cj

clivej

clivej wrote: »

well the Ruger arrived today. Just to get the mounts and scope on tonite and off to the range in the morning.

dev110

clivej wrote: »

well the Ruger arrived today. Just to get the mounts and scope on tonite and off to the range in the morning.

How did it perform?
Hope you are happy with it!

clivej

dev110 wrote: »

How did it perform?
Hope you are happy with it!

Doing 1/2" @ 50m so well happy with. Tried the 25, 15, & 10m ranges and its hitting where it's aimed so just have to get some practice in now. Nice moderator built into the barrel as one unit and the Kidd trigger is the business

dev110

clivej wrote: »

Doing 1/2" @ 50m so well happy with. Tried the 25, 15, & 10m ranges and its hitting where it's aimed so just have to get some practice in now. Nice moderator built into the barrel as one unit and the Kidd trigger is the business

Thats great to hear.
I hope you win many competitions with it!

clivej

dev110 wrote: »

Thats great to hear.
I hope you win many competitions with it!

So do I , but it's the competting that counts

dev110

clivej wrote: »

So do I , but it's the competting that counts

Practice makes perfect

I'll call down to the range every now and then for a progress report

Love to get into it myself but money is tight.