Injection dose or Pour on?

Muckit

So lads

What's your 'dosing' strategy for fluke and worms?

Do ya do all animals at a set time(s) of the year?

Grecco

used closemectin pour on last year, I was very happy with the results but not so happy at how much it costs!!!
I try to move the cattle to fresh grass every 15-21 days this should in theory anyway reduce the worm burden on the animals but in any case they will not get there first dose until they are outside for 3 weeks

Muckit

Grecco wrote: »

used closemectin pour on last year, I was very happy with the results but not so happy at how much it costs!!!
I try to move the cattle to fresh grass every 15-21 days this should in theory anyway reduce the worm burden on the animals but in any case they will not get there first dose until they are outside for 3 weeks

That's gas, twas the closamectin ad in the IFJ that got me post on this!

Do you clip the topline before using it or would there be any benefit out of this ie better uptake, it's soaked in through the skin, right? (I have a clippers)

Ya would rotate the cattle around aswel.

Is there a generic version of closamectin, and is it as good?

AtillaTheHun

from memory closomectin costs 0.50 for every 50kg LW.
So closomectin for young stock.
oral drench for cows such as Albex or Fasinex usually only once a year in the autumn after they've been housed 4wks. unless they are looking a bit ****ty or shook.

closomenctin pour-ons for calves and 1st season grazing animals depending on the weather. i like the reliablity and dependablity of the injectables. you know its done and it dont matter if it rains.

2nd season grass animals noromectin injectable plus trodax injectable for the fluke

turned our 12month hiefers out on 3rd week of feb and will give them their first dose end of May.

Suck calves should be ok until the end of june as they are not consuming enough grass to be getting infestations.

5live

Cows gererally get a dose except where i can get a pour on to do the job but withdrawls in milk can be 12 months for fluke:( but generally at dry off.

Yearlings get a worm dose in summer normally a pour on but can be a dose depending on numbers and how frisky i feel when its due:). Winter dose is normally a dose(endospec) unless a cheap pour on is found.

Calves get an ivomec pour on first to take care of any lice and stomach worms and either a white worm dose or ivomec pour on till housing.

I generally avoid injections because i normally end up injecting myself and end up worm free for a few months:o.

I also generally avoid clear doses after a very bad reaction years ago when 19 out of 20 heifer calves were flat on the ground for a day after dosing (only 1 poly took no notice) so i stay clear where possible

RobinBanks

Great thread! slightly off the topic and i was going to start a separate thread but, is it a good or bad idea to vaccinate 1yr old cattle before I put them out to grass. I will be moving them to land that has no handling facility at the min. Not sure what I should do.

whelan1

no need to worm cattle before turnout as they shouldnt have any worms , the dose they got at housing would have killed any worms that where there... wait til around 5 weeks after turnout or until they start coughing to dose

RobinBanks

whelan1 wrote: »

no need to worm cattle before turnout as they shouldnt have any worms , the dose they got at housing would have killed any worms that where there... wait til around 5 weeks after turnout or until they start coughing to dose

Thanks Whelo! saved me a bit of money. Maybe I will be able to corner them some how out the field and use pour on in a month or so. Should I treat the baby calves the same way? wait for 5 weeks from when they went out?

whelan1

RobinBanks wrote: »

Thanks Whelo! saved me a bit of money. Maybe I will be able to corner them some how out the field and use pour on in a month or so. Should I treat the baby calves the same way? wait for 5 weeks from when they went out?

yup thats what we do anyways... might be a week or 2 later than 5 weeks

Grecco

Muckit wrote: »

Do you clip the topline before using it or would there be any benefit out of this ie better uptake, it's soaked in through the skin, right? (I have a clippers)

Ya would rotate the cattle around aswel.

Is there a generic version of closamectin, and is it as good?

Did clip the hair but might be no harm on very hairy animals, I dont know if it makes any difference.

Rotation is a the secret, I try to keep fresh grass in front of them and if possible not to let them return to the same ground for at least 3 weeks (I know this is not alway possible)

What I liked about closemectin is that it treats fluke as well, Ivomec on its own doesnt. Having said that you could always buy a cheap mectin based product and a fluke injection and save a bit of money but for me I can do without the hassle.