Bolshevism, Masonry, Atheism vs The Catholic Church

Brown Bomber

Just wrote out a longer post but lost it through the wonders of modern technology. Will develop this again later.

In a nutshell the Catholic Church and Christ at least since the French Revolution been an enemy of Masonry which is based on Jewish Mysticism (Kaballah), later Bolshevism which was top heavy with Jews, and today's militant atheists, also over represented by Jews.

Soviet infiltration: http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1100135.htm

For Masonic plans for the Catholic Church see the "Alta Vendita" document or Humanus Genus.

A Freemason actually almost became Pope in the 50's. Cardinal Rampolla was only vetoed at the final stages by the Emperor of Austria-Hungary.

Though I do value Christian values and morals I'm not interested in my beliefs are better than your beliefs discussion. My question is has the long desired infiltration actually been completed?

Oracle

Interesting;

Alta Vendita
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alta_Vendita

Humanum Genus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanum_Genus

I had always thought the Catholic Church and the Freemasons were separate and opposed to each other, until recently. I was reading about the murder of Roberto Calvi, dubbed Gods Banker because of his close association with the Holy See. It's a fascinating case, involving a Masonic Lodge, the Vatican Bank and possibly, the Mafia:

Roberto Calvi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Calvi

fontanalis

Militant atheists, what's that now?

CiaranMT

Brown Bomber wrote: »

... and today's militant atheists, also over represented by Jews.

Such as?

fontanalis

Oracle wrote: »

Interesting;

Alta Vendita
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alta_Vendita

Humanum Genus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanum_Genus

I had always thought the Catholic Church and the Freemasons were separate and opposed to each other, until recently. I was reading about the murder of Roberto Calvi, dubbed Gods Banker because of his close association with the Holy See. It's a fascinating case, involving a Masonic Lodge, the Vatican Bank and possibly, the Mafia:

Roberto Calvi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Calvi

And if you want to take the case a step further; newly elected John Paul 1 was allegedly going to cut link with the masonic lodge p2 but died after around 6 weeks into his papacy.

Oracle

fontanalis wrote: »

And if you want to take the case a step further; newly elected John Paul 1 was allegedly going to cut link with the masonic lodge p2 but died after around 6 weeks into his papacy.

Thanks, thats interesting, so that happened almost 4 years before Calvi was murdered. The more I read about this affair, the more sordid and treacherous it becomes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_I_conspiracy_theories

kryogen

The mafia killed the Pope, sure it was in The Godfather part 3

fontanalis

kryogen wrote: »

The mafia killed the Pope, sure it was in The Godfather part 3

No it was the masonic lodge P2; there's a book called In Gods Name which looks at his death.
The hypothesis about the murder of the pope is the weakest part and I think two main points have been discredited.
But there seems to be something to the financial shenanigans.

Oracle

I've been reading about Licio Gelli, the former grandmaster of the P2 (Propaganda-Due) Masonic lodge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licio_Gelli

About the P2 Lodge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due

P2 was involved in the Strategy of Tension: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension

Gold ingots worth almost $2 million were found in Gelli's villa in 1998: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/170679.stm

Gelli was deported from France to Italy in 1998: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/195136.stm

Brown Bomber

fontanalis wrote: »

Militant atheists, what's that now?

An anti-theist.

Brown Bomber

Oracle wrote: »

I've been reading about Licio Gelli, the former grandmaster of the P2 (Propaganda-Due) Masonic lodge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licio_Gelli

About the P2 Lodge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due

P2 was involved in the Strategy of Tension: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension

Gold ingots worth almost $2 million were found in Gelli's villa in 1998: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/170679.stm

Gelli was deported from France to Italy in 1998: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/195136.stm

Yeah it's interesting isn't it? Even if there is nothing to it.

Here is some further info on P-2
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=64970560

As an aside I was watching a programme on Olof Palme yesterday the Swedish Prime Minister who was assassinated. He led the secret stay-behind forces in Sweden.

Oracle

Thanks for the link, didn't know you're an expert on P2. I hadn't read that thread before.
What makes you say there's nothing to it? The evidence is there. What surprises me is that Gelli saw the inside of a prison at all, considering how well-connected P2 were.

Hookah

Gelli, Sindona et al. were also members of the Knights of Malta, which is aligned with the Vatican, I think.

So, it's entirely possible the Vatican were controlling P2 or the Freemason were controlling the Knights of Malta.

The Knights of Malta also had a strong CIA connection.

Murky stuff.

saywhatyousee

Odd i was just thinking about P2 today didnt they have a big fallout with the masons,thats probaly why Silvio is in court every second week

Brown Bomber

Oracle wrote: »

Thanks for the link, didn't know you're an expert on P2. I hadn't read that thread before.
What makes you say there's nothing to it? The evidence is there. What surprises me is that Gelli saw the inside of a prison at all, considering how well-connected P2 were.

Ha, I'm no expert. Like yourself I just had a quick look and kept noticing bizarre link to bizarre link.

Brown Bomber

CiaranMT wrote: »

Such as?

Baruch Spinoza >>> Marx >>> Trotsky (Lenin was Jewish enough to move to Israel under the right of return by today's standards) >>>> up to the present day high-priests of evangelical atheism: Bill Maher, Harris, and Hitchens who has actually suggested that Jews have an "atheist gene".

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Brown Bomber wrote: »

Just wrote out a longer post but lost it through the wonders of modern technology. Will develop this again later.

In a nutshell the Catholic Church and Christ at least since the French Revolution been an enemy of Masonry which is based on Jewish Mysticism (Kaballah), later Bolshevism which was top heavy with Jews, and today's militant atheists, also over represented by Jews.

Soviet infiltration: http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1100135.htm

For Masonic plans for the Catholic Church see the "Alta Vendita" document or Humanus Genus.

A Freemason actually almost became Pope in the 50's. Cardinal Rampolla was only vetoed at the final stages by the Emperor of Austria-Hungary.

Though I do value Christian values and morals I'm not interested in my beliefs are better than your beliefs discussion. My question is has the long desired infiltration actually been completed?

Yes I believe 100% that the vatican is and has been for quite a while run by the freemasons. They have achieved penetrating every religion, and world power, they do run the show, pope john paul 1st was pope for 33 days, then murdered by p2 because he was about to expose the truth of the great connections of the 2 organisations. Pope john paul 2nd was a charlatan, freemason friendly pope, either by fear or will, he hadn't the balls to do the right thing like his predesessor, he and all his underlings allowed sex crimes against children, these are not men of God.

It's gone way past the catholic church though, all religions have been influenced by the freemasons.

gizmo

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Baruch Spinoza >>> Marx >>> Trotsky (Lenin was Jewish enough to move to Israel under the right of return by today's standards) >>>> up to the present day high-priests of evangelical atheism: Bill Maher, Harris, and Hitchens who has actually suggested that Jews have an "atheist gene".

Where do the likes of Maher and Hitchens fit in here?

Sidenote: Since when is an anti-theist a militant atheist?

CiaranMT

gizmo wrote: »

Where do the likes of Maher and Hitchens fit in here?

Sidenote: Since when is an anti-theist a militant atheist?

Precisely. I could name any number of well known atheists that have no Jewish ancestry.

dvpower wrote: »

Facts are an optional extra in this forum.

:pac:

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fontanalis wrote: »

Militant atheists, what's that now?

A derailment by you?, theres links just above your quote, maybe read them.

And on the off chance your question was serious I found this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militant_atheism

gizmo

33 wrote: »

A derailment by you?, theres links just above your quote, maybe read them.

And on the off chance your question was serious I found this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militant_atheism

fontanalis question is more than likely in reference to the very content of your link, most notably the concerns about the modern usage of the term in a modern context. A point, in fact, made all the more relevant by BB's link between being an anti-theist and being a "militant" atheist.

Brown Bomber

gizmo wrote: »

Where do the likes of Maher and Hitchens fit in here?

Because I can't tell the difference between the (actual) anti-religious positions of Freemasons / Bolsheviks / Militant atheists.

gizmo wrote: »

Sidenote: Since when is an anti-theist a militant atheist?

As soon as they open their mouths

Brown Bomber

33 wrote: »

Yes I believe 100% that the vatican is and has been for quite a while run by the freemasons. They have achieved penetrating every religion, and world power, they do run the show, pope john paul 1st was pope for 33 days, then murdered by p2 because he was about to expose the truth of the great connections of the 2 organisations. Pope john paul 2nd was a charlatan, freemason friendly pope, either by fear or will, he hadn't the balls to do the right thing like his predesessor, he and all his underlings allowed sex crimes against children, these are not men of God.

It's gone way past the catholic church though, all religions have been influenced by the freemasons.

Another good example of where the lines are blurred is the Case of Carl Rothschild, one of the 5 Frankfurt sons of Mayer Amschel Rothschild sent out to take over Europe and impregnate their cousins.

He was awarded the Catholic chivalric honour of the Sacred Military Constantinian Order of St George by the Pope.

Brown Bomber

CiaranMT wrote: »

Precisely. I could name any number of well known atheists that have no Jewish ancestry.

Congratualtions. For arguments sake lets pretend you did actually name an equal number of "well know atheists".

According to the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics there were 13,421,000 Jews worldwide in 2010.[1]

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English

NATIVE: 340 million
TOTAL: 510 million
http://www.vistawide.com/languages/top_30_languages.htm

So you'll need to give me 50 non-Jews for every 1 I give to show that they are not over-represented as I claimed.

It was just the tip of the iceberg but I've already given you 7. So I'll await your 350.

Next you'll tell me Jews aren't over represented in porn, human trafficking, MDMA trafficking and organ trafficking.

gizmo

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Because I can't tell the difference between the (actual) anti-religious positions of Freemasons / Bolsheviks / Militant atheists.

Well my point was more how exactly do those people named fit in outside of their stance on religion? In fact, religion is probably one of the few things Maher and Hitchens agree on. They've severely butted heads over US foreign policy for instance and they certainly disagree on Israeli policy with respect to their neighbours.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

As soon as they open their mouths

All joking aside, do you actually believe that?

humanji

I don't want this turning into an anti-semetic thread. Keep it on the actual topic.

CiaranMT

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Congratualtions. For arguments sake lets pretend you did actually name an equal number of "well know atheists".

According to the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics there were 13,421,000 Jews worldwide in 2010.[1]

Since your original point was to do with 'militant' atheists, I'm assuming that you were referring to those who are in the public domain and who push the ideals of atheism.

I fail to see, then, why you quote a figure for the number of Jewish worldwide, the vast majority of whom are religious.

But sure, go on, I'll knock down your strawman. I can find my own stats on the number of atheists in the world:

According to the 2001 World Almanac, Atheists number:
121 million in Asia
56 million in the former USSR
23 million (3.5%) in Europe
2.7 million in Latin America
1.6 million (0.5%) in North America
0.4 million in Oceania
0.4 million in Africa 8

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English

NATIVE: 340 million
TOTAL: 510 million
http://www.vistawide.com/languages/top_30_languages.htm

So you'll need to give me 50 non-Jews for every 1 I give to show that they are not over-represented as I claimed.

It was just the tip of the iceberg but I've already given you 7. So I'll await your 350.

Next you'll tell me Jews aren't over represented in porn, human trafficking, MDMA trafficking and organ trafficking.

Numbers of English speakers in the world? Relevance to militant atheism?

Actually, I'm not gonna even touch this one, other than to say:

Yitzhak Rabin

Brownbomber banned for a week for anti-semitic remarks.

People are free to discuss this topic however please note;

-It is NOT okay to single out ethnicities and attribute qualities on to them because of their ethnicity. So no more drawing of "bizzarre links" between people because they are Jewish, or any other ethnicity for that matter.

yekahS

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yekahS wrote: »

Brownbomber banned for a week

-It is NOT okay to single out ethnicities

yekahS

Is it cuz he's Black? (or brown).