When did society give up on "sticks and stones will break your bones...."?

Fighting Irish

Guill

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can also hurt me.
Stones and sticks break only skin, while words are ghosts that haunt me.
Slant and curved the word-swords fall, it pierces and sticks inside me.
Bats and bricks may ache through bones, but words can mortify me.
Pain from words has left its' scar, on mind and hear that's tender.
Cuts and bruises not have healed, it's words that I remember.



<starts cutting, for sweet relief>

liah

Out of curiosity, has that phrase EVER made anyone feel better as a kid about being made fun of?

KeithM89_old

...but chains and whips excite me??

Damn you Rihanna...:mad:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

liah wrote: »

Out of curiosity, has that phrase EVER made anyone feel better as a kid about being made fun of?

No, unless I was one throwing the stciks and stones.

OP - has soeciety given up on it..? Seems to be a bit of support every time a major crime is committed.

Orim

Sticks and stones will break your bones, but that shít heals, words can fúck you up for life.

landsleaving

I have a negative opinion about your poll and it's lack of options. Would you prefer I insult you about it, or pummel you with sticks and stones?

swarm.of.bees

landsleaving wrote: »

I have a negative opinion about your poll and it's lack of options. Would you prefer I insult you about it, or pummel you with sticks and stones?

Sticks and stones FTW

Sykk

liah wrote: »

Out of curiosity, has that phrase EVER made anyone feel better as a kid about being made fun of?

I agree, worst saying ever.

landsleaving

swarm.of.bees wrote: »

Sticks and stones FTW

We've got our answer so!

liah

I am kind of curious as to what kind of abuse is harder to overcome later in life/has the longest lasting effects on a person's mental well-being - emotional or physical. A lot of the time they're paired together, but separately I can't help but wonder.

How much truth is really in that statement?

Pauleta

I blame the left wing loons

DeVore

When did society give up on basic civility and good manners?


DeV.

landsleaving

DeVore wrote: »

When did society give up on basic civility and good manners?


DeV.

The same day the phrase 'Blast it with piss' was coined.

Duggy747

Kid: "Sticks and stones may break my bones....."

Bully: "Huh, Really?"

Kid: ".......but my fist will break your face"

*THUMP*

Bully: *crying*"Waaaaaaaaaaahhh"

Plazaman

Guill wrote: »

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can also hurt me.Stones and sticks break only skin, while words are ghosts that haunt me.
Slant and curved the word-swords fall, it pierces and sticks inside me.
Bats and bricks may ache through bones, but words can mortify me.
Pain from words has left its' scar, on mind and hear that's tender.
Cuts and bruises not have healed, it's words that I remember.

So when was it changed to "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me". Bástard, whoever changed that, I'd bate the head of him with a big stick if I got him.

Standman

It's a daft and unhelpful phrase. Which do you think affects a person more, the time you fell and cut your knee or the time you you got humiliated by some bullys harsh words?

Will_H

Orim wrote: »

words can fúck you up for life.

They certainly can - I remember one time a bully beat me over the head with a dictionary....!

pragmatic1

Physical pain is nothing in comparison to emotional pain.

Dudess

Society "gave up on it" OP when society also decided that it's not "PC" or "being a pussy" to get upset by cruel words.

Pauleta wrote: »

I blame the left wing loons

I have suspected for a while that despite your fetish for that particular phrase, you don't really know what it means - this confirms it.

Rabble Rabble

If the OP is talking about the school yard - well words have always hurt.

In terms of political offence, there is tendency in the left wing to argue against unconditional free speech: the claim is that "dominant" groups, men, whites etc. are controlling the system so complaints from them are sexist, or racist; but about them are acceptable - hence the rise of gormless men on advertising.

Saila

johnny: mammy the boys are calling me names
mammy: just say sticks and stones will break your...
johnny: you're mad mammy!
mammy: *SLAP*
johnny: now you're being ironic mammy

Saila

when PC went mad

Eric Cartman

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Physical pain is nothing in comparison to emotional pain.

its that kind of attitude which gets the PC brigade hard ,

Harden the f*ck up

I dont know, maybee its just me and me being weird but did insults ever actually hurt people ? I just got good at throwing back insults or ignoring people at a very young age, I thought it was a laugh

my biggest gripe is cyber bullying - children are definitley getting to be pussies , when I was in school bullying was 4 lads waiting at the green to throw you a few digs and move along , not sending you a text calling you a fag , how people actually listen to that sh*t and are affected by it is beyond me and I will never understand it.

Dudess

Rabble Rabble wrote: »

In terms of political offence, there is tendency in the left wing to argue against unconditional free speech: the claim is that "dominant" groups, men, whites etc. are controlling the system so complaints from them are sexist, or racist; but about them are acceptable - hence the rise of gormless men on advertising.

In my opinion, free speech shouldn't be a licence to harass, like e.g. the Westboro Baptist Church - it's not reasonable to rejoice at them being allowed to picket at funerals because of this being a "victory for free speech". What about context? If they want to spread their message of hate online, ok, but doing so at a funeral - well it's just not a decent thing to do.
I disagree though that dominant groups shouldn't be allowed say anything controversial yet that it's ok to attack them. Those ads are atrocious. Never heard of that being brought up in relation to the free speech issue though - it's an issue in and of itself.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

PC brigade

Derp.

Harden the f*ck up

I dont know, maybee its just me and me being weird but did insults ever actually hurt people ? I just got good at throwing back insults or ignoring people at a very young age, I thought it was a laugh

my biggest gripe is cyber bullying - children are definitley getting to be pussies , when I was in school bullying was 4 lads waiting at the green to throw you a few digs and move along , not sending you a text calling you a fag , how people actually listen to that sh*t and are affected by it is beyond me and I will never understand it.

Ok there's allowing yourself to be a doormat, and there's being hypersensitive, but that is completely different to being a victim of bullying. And thankfully more people are compassionate and don't see things in a cut and dry way like you do, nor do they just assume their experience is the same as everyone else's.

There is hypersensitivity out there and people getting offended over nothing, but it's nowhere near as widespread as the no-nonsense "brigade" say it is. Examples of "PC gone mad" are usually myths. Unfortunately there are some folks who think having a bit of humanity is being "PC".

MagicSean

Orim wrote: »

Sticks and stones will break your bones, but that shít heals, words can fúck you up for life.

Only if you base your existence on other people's opinions of you.

MagicSean

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Physical pain is nothing in comparison to emotional pain.

Ever get repeatedly kicked in the balls?

Eric Cartman

Dudess wrote: »

Ok there's allowing yourself to be a doormat, and there's being hypersensitive, but that is completely different to being a victim of bullying. And thankfully more people are compassionate and don't see things in a cut and dry way like you do, nor do they just assume their experience is the same as everyone else's.

There is hypersensitivity out there and people getting offended over nothing, but it's nowhere near as widespread as the no-nonsense "brigade" say it is. Examples of "PC gone mad" are usually myths. Unfortunately there are some folks who think having a bit of humanity is being "PC".

but really, theyre just words, just words and words alone, if somebody stabs you your skin is broken, you bleed and your nerves receive that as pain ,

if somebody calls you fat or somebody says that your a bad person ITS YOUR CHOICE to let that hurt or not

Rabble Rabble

Dudess wrote: »

I disagree though that dominant groups shouldn't be allowed say anything controversial yet that it's ok to attack them. Those ads are atrocious. Never heard of that being brought up in relation to the free speech issue though - it's an issue in and of itself.

The ads were just the trivial example of the ideology in practice, an ideology from Marxism, though not quite canoconical Marxism. I tend to be a free speech absolutist, because you cant draw the line, but I take some aspects of the left wing to be true - blacking up in 1950's England is more destrucive than a black man whiting up because of how power is disseminated.

Of the ideology itself, there are plenty examples, the prime text of this movement being the essay Repressive Tolerance from Marcuse


Liberating tolerance, then, would mean intolerance against movements from the Right and toleration of movements from the Left. As to the scope of this tolerance and intolerance: ... it would extend to the stage of action as well as of discussion and propaganda, of deed as well as of word.

His dominant classes were the Bourgeoisie - which made some sense ( although he was more or less Gramisican in his belief that the majority of us proles were controlled by the minority elites) but since then the left has more or less abandoned class politics for identity politics.

The white male worker between 1970 and 2010 got poorer, lost his job, was outsourced and de-unionised but was condemned for gaining privilege of race and sex, and repressive tolerance tolerated him no more.

Which, probably, to be fair, is not what Marcuse wanted.

hondasam

Eric Cartman wrote: »

but really, theyre just words, just words and words alone, if somebody stabs you your skin is broken, you bleed and your nerves receive that as pain ,

if somebody calls you fat or somebody says that your a bad person ITS YOUR CHOICE to let that hurt or not

It depends on who say's it, unless you are totally immune to what people say it will hurt a little.

Dudess

Eric Cartman wrote: »

but really, theyre just words, just words and words alone, if somebody stabs you your skin is broken, you bleed and your nerves receive that as pain ,

if somebody calls you fat or somebody says that your a bad person ITS YOUR CHOICE to let that hurt or not

Sure, in the case of isolated incidents - but you brought bullying into the discussion. And systematic verbal bullying eventually breaks a person down, erodes their confidence, and makes them feel increasingly isolated and powerless - and there is nothing "pussyish" about that. Even strong people have succumbed to it...
I agree people shouldn't let everything get to them, but knowing the OP, the message is: "You're a whinge-bag if you get upset at all" which isn't fair. Very few people are able to filter out everything.

Eric Cartman

hondasam wrote: »

It depends on who say's it, unless you are totally immune to what people say it will hurt a little.

but thats it , its your choice as to who you listen to and whos opinions matter, why people would listen to bullys or randomers/internet trolls or insults sent over the internet etc... is madness

hondasam

Eric Cartman wrote: »

but thats it , its your choice as to who you listen to and whos opinions matter, why people would listen to bullys or randomers/internet trolls or insults sent over the internet etc... is madness

randomers/internet trolls would not bother me. someone I know been nasty would bother me. It is human nature to feel some hurt unless you are a really hard person.

Eric Cartman

hondasam wrote: »

randomers/internet trolls would not bother me. someone I know been nasty would bother me. It is human nature to feel some hurt unless you are a really hard person.

personally I dont think it counts as being a hard person to withstand verbal insults, but it appears from this thread I should go become a politician or something , I seem to have a gift

hondasam

Eric Cartman wrote: »

personally I dont think it counts as being a hard person to withstand verbal insults, but it appears from this thread I should go become a politician or something , I seem to have a gift

no one is immune to been hurt by other people. I guess it is how you deal with it that counts. verbal insults can be hard to take depending on who is delivering the insults.

you have a gift for what exactly ?

Eric Cartman

hondasam wrote: »

no one is immune to been hurt by other people. I guess it is how you deal with it that counts. verbal insults can be hard to take depending on who is delivering the insults.

you have a gift for what exactly ?

the gift of immunity from verbal insults , judging by this thread seems to be something to hold on to

hondasam

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the gift of immunity from verbal insults , judging by this thread seems to be something to hold on to

I think you bring it on yourself.:D

every time I see your name I always think of the great Eric Cantona.

"When people are talking about you, it means that you exist." Eric Cantona

DeVore

After 11 years of being an admin on Boards, if I let mere words get to me, I'd be a mental wreck by now BUT that doesn't mean I want to be associated with, or surrounded by people who are crude or abusive in the name of "freedom of speech".

I also have observed two things during all the debates about this topic we've had in one guise or another on the site...

1. There are a set of people who seem simply *unable* to deal with shades of grey, they predict and bemoan the extremes only... any suggestion that there be ANY enforcement of any level of decorum or social mores enforced on the site is immediately compared to soviet Russia or fascist dictatorship clamp downs on basic rights. They can tolerate no suggestion that a subjective decision can be made and look for hard and fast rules and black and white diktats to make life simplistic. But people are not simplistic and neither is discussion nor language use.


2. The line of "that bloody PC crowd" is almost always drawn just before the position the author themselves is taking. Anything more stringent is immediately dismissed as "PC gone mad"... (Political Correctness, ironically, is apparently never correct or indeed sane). Its a convenient tar-brush to dismiss any position not their own and denigrate those holding it.

The refrain composes the same song of self-entitlement and child-like "playing out" in people that I have come to view as signs of a poor vocabulary.

I'm not offended, I simply disinclined to respond and when higher minded people disengage, we are all the poorer.

And I suffer no lack of ability to be incisive in my posts, I have something of a reputation for it in fact, but I pride myself on doing so without relying on crude expletives.

DeV.

Rabble Rabble

More from Marcuse

The whole post-fascist period is one of clear and present danger. Consequently, true pacification requires the withdrawal of tolerance before the deed, at the stage of communication in word, print, and picture. Such extreme suspension of the right of free speech and free assembly is indeed justified only if the whole of society is in extreme danger. I maintain that our society is in such an emergency situation, and that it has become the normal state of affairs. Different opinions and 'philosophies' can no longer compete peacefully for adherence and persuasion on rational grounds: the 'marketplace of ideas' is organized and delimited by those who determine the national and the individual interest. In this society, for which the ideologists have proclaimed the 'end of ideology', the false consciousness has become the general consciousness--from the government down to its last objects. The small and powerless minorities which struggle against the false consciousness and its beneficiaries must be helped: their continued existence is more important than the preservation of abused rights and liberties which grant constitutional powers to those who oppress these minorities

That's the beginning of political correctness.

pragmatic1

k_mac wrote: »

Ever get repeatedly kicked in the balls?

Stamped on the balls while getting a kicking would be a better explanation. Slashed from ear to adams apple and multiple operations also not fun.

pragmatic1

Eric Cartman wrote: »

its that kind of attitude which gets the PC brigade hard ,

Harden the f*ck up

I dont know, maybee its just me and me being weird but did insults ever actually hurt people ? I just got good at throwing back insults or ignoring people at a very young age, I thought it was a laugh

my biggest gripe is cyber bullying - children are definitley getting to be pussies , when I was in school bullying was 4 lads waiting at the green to throw you a few digs and move along , not sending you a text calling you a fag , how people actually listen to that sh*t and are affected by it is beyond me and I will never understand it.

Maybe you're an outlier Eric. Something missing perhaps.

strobe

DeVore wrote: »

After 11 years of being an admin on Boards, if I let mere words get to me, I'd be a mental wreck by now BUT that doesn't mean I want to be associated with, or surrounded by people who are crude or abusive in the name of "freedom of speech".

I also have observed two things during all the debates about this topic we've had in one guise or another on the site...

1. There are a set of people who seem simply *unable* to deal with shades of grey, they predict and bemoan the extremes only... any suggestion that there be ANY enforcement of any level of decorum or social mores enforced on the site is immediately compared to soviet Russia or fascist dictatorship clamp downs on basic rights. They can tolerate no suggestion that a subjective decision can be made and look for hard and fast rules and black and white diktats to make life simplistic. But people are not simplistic and neither is discussion nor language use.


2. The line of "that bloody PC crowd" is almost always drawn just before the position the author themselves is taking. Anything more stringent is immediately dismissed as "PC gone mad"... (Political Correctness, ironically, is apparently never correct or indeed sane). Its a convenient tar-brush to dismiss any position not their own and denigrate those holding it.

The refrain composes the same song of self-entitlement and child-like "playing out" in people that I have come to view as signs of a poor vocabulary.

I'm not offended, I simply disinclined to respond and when higher minded people disengage, we are all the poorer.

And I suffer no lack of ability to be incisive in my posts, I have something of a reputation for it in fact, but I pride myself on doing so without relying on crude expletives.

DeV.

It wasn't about boards.ie Dev.

DeVore

I know, I was using it as an example.... I think the attitude and my observations pervade all of society, including Boards where we have to deal with the topic head on.

DeV.

smegmar

Orim wrote: »

Sticks and stones will break your bones, but that shít heals, words can fúck you up for life.

No you've got it all wrong, it's not being mentally prepared as a child to deal with the abuse that is part of life that will screw you up.

You can't protect everyone from abuse but you can empower them with shield of firm positive self image.

Also just to Orim
"Your mother was a hamster and you father smelt of Elderberries!
I fart in your general direction!"