Top 30 most supported clubs in Europe this season

IRISHSPORTSGUY

Never really noticed how big some German clubs (Frankfurt, Hannover, Nurnberg) are until I saw this:

1 FC Barcelona 85.707
2 Borussia Dortmund 78.668
3 Manchester United 75.047
4 FC Bayern München 69.000
5 Real Madrid 68.571
6 FC Schalke 04 61.342
7 Arsenal FC 60.020
8 Inter Milan 58.273
9 Hamburger SV 53.969
10 Olympique Marseille 51.257
11 Celtic FC 47.666
12 Newcastle United 47.242
13 1. FC Köln 47.177
14 Eintracht Frankfurt 46.479
15 AC Milan 46.447
16 Ajax Amsterdam 46.131
17 Manchester City 46.091
18 1. FC Kaiserslautern 45.637
19 Rangers FC 44.429
20 Borussia Mönchengladbach 43.712
21 Hannover 96 42.896
22 SSC Napoli 42.524
23 Liverpool FC 42.282
24 Feyenoord Rotterdam 41.700
25 Chelsea FC 41.445
26 Hertha BSC 40.951
27 Valencia CF 40.733
28 1. FC Nürnberg 40.621
29 Sunderland AFC 39.878
30 SL Benfica 39.758

That_Guy

Can't believe Boro didn't make that list.

djfitzerjnr

Is this not just a list of the 30 biggest stadiums in Europe and not actually the 30 most supported clubs?

Le King

djfitzerjnr wrote: »

Is this not just a list of the 30 biggest stadiums in Europe and not actually the 30 most supported clubs?

Average attendances.

djfitzerjnr

Le King wrote: »

Average attendances.

It's still based on stadium size tho. What if a top team has a small stadium but sells out every game, are they smaller than a top team with a massive stadium but are yet to sell-out one game?

If anything it should be based on attendances, travelling support, merchandise sales..etc all rolled together.

Like here is a list, based on merchandise sales ( http://www.footballtradedirectory.com/news/2011/february/liverpool-top-united-in-merchandising.html )

1. Real Madrid
2. Barcelona
3. Liverpool
4. Bayern Munich
5. Olympique Marseille
6. Manchester United
7. AC Milan
8. Inter Milan
9. Olympique Lyon
10. Fenerbahce

Ebbs

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

Never really noticed how big some German clubs (Frankfurt, Hannover, Nurnberg) are until I saw this:

Best supported league in the world IIRC. Every team over there seems to pull massive crowds.

Cheap tickets, amazing atmosphere and great stadiums have really shown to actually pull in supports. Model for Ireland (LoI and International team), Scotland etc to follow.

That_Guy

Ebbs wrote: »

Best supported league in the world IIRC. Every team over there seems to pull massive crowds.

Cheap tickets, amazing atmosphere and great stadiums have really shown to actually pull in supports. Model for Ireland (LoI and International team), Scotland etc to follow.

It's because the majority of teams are owned by the fans imo and as they're fans, they set the prices they seem reasonable.

Some good football too.

Dont be at yourself

Average attendance as a percentage of total capacity would be a better metric, tbh.

5starpool

There also happens to be 80m or so people in Germany.

jaykay74

djfitzerjnr wrote: »

Is this not just a list of the 30 biggest stadiums in Europe and not actually the 30 most supported clubs?

Lazio and Roma has potential to fill almost 73000 and are not on the list so no its not a list of the biggest stadiums. You want the link below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_stadiums_by_capacity

Le King

djfitzerjnr wrote: »

It's still based on stadium size tho. What if a top team has a small stadium but sells out every game, are they smaller than a top team with a massive stadium but are yet to sell-out one game?

If anything it should be based on attendances, travelling support, merchandise sales..etc all rolled together.

Like here is a list, based on merchandise sales ( http://www.footballtradedirectory.com/news/2011/february/liverpool-top-united-in-merchandising.html )

1. Real Madrid
2. Barcelona
3. Liverpool
4. Bayern Munich
5. Olympique Marseille
6. Manchester United
7. AC Milan
8. Inter Milan
9. Olympique Lyon
10. Fenerbahce

lol I wouldn't base how much support from a shirt sale article. The figures are completely misleading by the fact that the G+G campaign saw a decrease in sales by 10%. In fact if you look at market research before that Man United, based on the same companies figures were leading the shirt sales charts. I wouldn't base it on that. They're useless for the intended purpose to which you wish to use them.

tricky D

5starpool wrote: »

There also happens to be 80m or so people in Germany.

And their ticket prices are sehr cheap. Iirc you can get to see Dormund for €15 (standing kop [25,000 capacity] and includes trams from city centre).

Jelle1880

tricky D wrote: »

And their ticket prices are sehr cheap. Iirc you can get to see Dormund for €15 (standing kop [25,000 capacity] and includes trams from city centre).

Actually the stand behind the goal is for season tickets only
But you're rightm, the cheap prices do help, teams in second and third divisions still pull massive crowds (And I'm talking 30-40.000, easily).

Dont be at yourself

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Actually the stand behind the goal is for season tickets only
But you're rightm, the cheap prices do help, teams in second and third divisions still pull massive crowds (And I'm talking 30-40.000, easily).

In fairness, cheap tickets don't explain everything. Most match tickets for Frankfurt Eintracht (14 in this list) go for between 30-50 euro.

mike65

www.soccerway.com has league stadium attendances/capacity and average %. Far more useful.

inforfun

14th in the league. 24th in this list.
We either must be very loyal or masochists.
Probably both.

partyndbs

hertha are in the second division and still pull over 42,000. when newcastle were in 2nd division did they sell out st.james park much?

Oat23

Great to see Hertha right there, in the second division and still big attendance. Enough to be higher than a lot of top flight clubs.

gustavo

djfitzerjnr wrote: »

It's still based on stadium size tho. What if a top team has a small stadium but sells out every game, are they smaller than a top team with a massive stadium but are yet to sell-out one game?

If anything it should be based on attendances, travelling support, merchandise sales..etc all rolled together.

Like here is a list, based on merchandise sales ( http://www.footballtradedirectory.com/news/2011/february/liverpool-top-united-in-merchandising.html )

1. Real Madrid
2. Barcelona
3. Liverpool
4. Bayern Munich
5. Olympique Marseille
6. Manchester United
7. AC Milan
8. Inter Milan
9. Olympique Lyon
10. Fenerbahce

Given the 2 lists I can only guess that you support Liverpool?

Only reason why anyone would bring up such a list

mike65

Jelle1880 wrote: »

But you're rightm, the cheap prices do help, teams in second and third divisions still pull massive crowds (And I'm talking 30-40.000, easily).

Herta Berlin have an average of 42,000 in a huge 74,000 stadium and thats a lot of empty seats to pay for. The rest are nowhere by comparison -

http://www.soccerway.com/national/germany/2-bundesliga/2010-2011/regular-season/

Paully D

Very happy to see Sunderland up there, especially at a time when our (lack of) attendance is coming under scrutiny.

partyndbs

koln and newcastle seem so alike in a way. look at their attendances yet what have they achieved?

Paully D

partyndbs wrote: »

hertha are in the second division and still pull over 42,000. when newcastle were in 2nd division did they sell out st.james park much?

Newcastle have always had fantastic support. The club really don't deserve the attendances they get, same goes for Sunderland.

djfitzerjnr

gustavo wrote: »

Given the 2 lists I can only guess that you support Liverpool?

Only reason why anyone would bring up such a list

Well no, it's not that, as I would agree that there are clubs with support as good as ours, if not better as both lists show.

Just saying that let's say if a club had a massive stadium and chose top give out every ticket at €1 every game and regularly sold out, would that mean that they are the best supported team?

You can;t just pick one detail as a criteria of being the best supported.

Anyways, with many teams now protesting against owners, how accurate are the lists?

partyndbs

Paully D wrote: »

Newcastle have always had fantastic support. The club really don't deserve the attendances they get, same goes for Sunderland.

attendances dont mean everything tho. if they did bundesliga teams would be the most dominant in europe.

That_Guy

partyndbs wrote: »

koln and newcastle seem so alike in a way. look at their attendances yet what have they achieved?

Fcuk all else to do up there.

Paully D

partyndbs wrote: »

attendances dont mean everything tho. if they did bundesliga teams would be the most dominant in europe.

I know that mate, and the north-east clubs are probably just about the best example of how great support doesn't equal success.

ColeTrain

Amazing to see Celtic up there given the opposition we usually play and the dross served up during the past couple of seasons. If things continue to progress we should be higher next season.

Lawrence1895

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Actually the stand behind the goal is for season tickets only
But you're rightm, the cheap prices do help, teams in second and third divisions still pull massive crowds (And I'm talking 30-40.000, easily).

As far as I know, there is a capacity of 28000 with 26000 season ticket holders. But never mind, the Westfalenstadion is always a great place to visit :cool:

Raekwon

djfitzerjnr wrote: »

Is this not just a list of the 30 biggest stadiums in Europe and not actually the 30 most supported clubs?

The Luzhniki Stadium in Moscow has a capacity of 80,000 but neither Spartak or Torpedo are on the list.

oconnon9

Raekwon wrote: »

The Luzhniki Stadium in Moscow has a capacity of 80,000 but neither Spartak or Torpedo are on the list.

Stadium is always nearly empty when Spartak aren't playing in a derby or a big European night

Paparazzo

partyndbs wrote: »

attendances dont mean everything tho. if they did bundesliga teams would be the most dominant in europe.

And of course, big attendence doesn't mean success, but the germans have copped on it's better to have 60k at a game at €15 a ticket than 20k at €45 a ticket.
And lets see how they do when financial fair play kicks in.

celtictiger32

anywhere know where you might find the full list of most googled football clubs????

losthorizon

Ebbs wrote: »

Best supported league in the world IIRC. Every team over there seems to pull massive crowds.

Cheap tickets, amazing atmosphere and great stadiums have really shown to actually pull in supports. Model for Ireland (LoI and International team), Scotland etc to follow.

TBH I dont think Germany should be Irelands model. We should be looking to Norway or Denmark.


I'm not surprised by German League crowds -> Schalke in particular get huge crowds. They also have a massive pyramid system so every town village, city and hamlet could in throey get into the Bundesliga. Berlin by itself has loads of teams.

davyjose

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but AFAIK germany still have terraces. Makes a huge difference to capacity of the stadium, price of a ticket, and the general atmosphere of attending a game.

losthorizon

davyjose wrote: »

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but AFAIK germany still have terraces. Makes a huge difference to capacity of the stadium, price of a ticket, and the general atmosphere of attending a game.

Yeah, they have terraces for domestic league games and fixed joints which allow seats to be put in for european games.