2Lt Mondeo

Irish Fire · 06-04-2011 5:54pm #1

I'm looking at a Ford Mondeo Estate 2.0Lt Petrol at the weekend. What should I be looking out for?

Thanks in Advance

Idbatterim · 06-04-2011 6:07pm

to be honest with you Im not sure, I love mondeos though! check autotrader.co.uk for owners reviews, also honest john and there must be ford owners uk sites. But the massive tax on the 2L i.e E600 odd will probably get a few negative comments here! might be better to get an 08 plus crap box, pay less little tax and lose alot more in depreciation...

Irish Fire · 06-04-2011 6:12pm

Too be honest I'm not worried about the road tax, if it has to be paid it has to be paid.... I'm like you I love the Mondeo but I've never had the petrol one, it's just I'm getting rid of my van and I'd like an estate car.

Idbatterim · 06-04-2011 6:25pm

what year is the car? also see below link!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mondeo

Plug · 06-04-2011 6:28pm

The rear calipers can cease in these. Other than that they are fairly good cars.

Irish Fire · 06-04-2011 6:36pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

what year is the car? also see below link!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mondeo

it's a '02 so I'll have to look at that, good site by the way thanks.......

Idbatterim · 06-04-2011 6:42pm

also see below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mondeo

if its 02 it quite likely has the plastic manifolds, i wouldnt be too concerned with the likes of calipers etc ceasing, all cars will have some minor issues, but if the plastic manifold issue applies to this car and hasnt been sorted, if you buy it, it would be prudent to get it sorted...

Plug · 06-04-2011 7:25pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

also see below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mondeo

if its 02 it quite likely has the plastic manifolds, i wouldnt be too concerned with the likes of calipers etc ceasing, all cars will have some minor issues, but if the plastic manifold issue applies to this car and hasnt been sorted, if you buy it, it would be prudent to get it sorted...

9 years old, well sorted by now. There was a recall on the 1.8l and 2.0L models, most of them anyway. Your right about the calipers too, its a rare enough event.

johndaman66 · 06-04-2011 8:07pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

i wouldnt be too concerned with the likes of calipers etc ceasing

I wouldn't either unless they do sieze which seemingly they quite often do! Myself and brother replaced them there about two months ago in his 2001 Mark III. Not that terribly cheap as he needed to replace calipers, discs, pads, handbrake cables and brake hoses. He wasn't very happy being out of pocket so much and we done the job ourselvers. A lot of motor factors will allow you a few quid back if you return your siezed calipers to them though.

Idbatterim wrote: »

if its 02 it quite likely has the plastic manifolds

I am assuming were talking about the swirl flaps?... well thats what I call them anyhow. They are a noted problem in early MK III. If they do fall off and into the engine its usually fatal for it. I have read of owners who were aware of the problem and managed to cut their engine in time when it happened to them without any very serious damage being done. Brother intends to remove his in the next few months as a precautionary measure. As far as I am aware the problem was resolved at some stage in 2003 going forward.

Overall apart from brake calipers siezeing brother has being pretty pleased with his Mondeo in three years of ownership. There has being a few minor electrical gremlins such as electric boot release not working sometimes for no apparent reason, as with the cigarette lighter and the drivers door window regulator snapped and needed to be replaced (muggins here done that for him with not too much hassle!). i think there may have being a few more very small electrical type problems maybe.

His is only 1.8 litre but power would be more than adequate for most all the same. As a family car it seems to strike a nice balance in terms of refinement, comfort, handling and is pretty roomy also. You do some to get a lot of car for your money, earlier Mark III in particular seem to be going for right handy money now.

Irish Fire · 06-04-2011 8:13pm

johndaman66 wrote: »

I wouldn't either unless they do sieze which seemingly they quite often do! Myself and brother replaced them there about two months ago in his 2001 Mark III. Not that terribly cheap as he needed to replace calipers, discs, pads, handbrake cables and brake hoses. He wasn't very happy being out of pocket so much and we done the job ourselvers. A lot of motor factors will allow you a few quid back if you return your siezed calipers to them though.

I am assuming were talking about the swirl flaps?... well thats what I call them anyhow. They are a noted problem in early MK III. If they do fall off and into the engine its usually fatal for it. I have read of owners who were aware of the problem and managed to cut their engine in time when it happened to them without any very serious damage being done. Brother intends to remove his in the next few months as a precautionary measure. As far as I am aware the problem was resolved at some stage in 2003 going forward.

Overall apart from brake calipers siezeing brother has being pretty pleased with his Mondeo in three years of ownership. There has being a few minor electrical gremlins such as electric boot release not working sometimes for no apparent reason, as with the cigarette lighter and the drivers door window regulator snapped and needed to be replaced (muggins here done that for him with not too much hassle!). i think there may have being a few more very small electrical type problems maybe.

His is only 1.8 litre but power would be more than adequate for most all the same. As a family car it seems to strike a nice balance in terms of refinement, comfort, handling and is pretty roomy also. You do some to get a lot of car for your money, earlier Mark III in particular seem to be going for right handy money now.

Can you just take the flaps out? will it run without them?

Car has full history (haven't seen it yet though) with 75k on the clock. not too worried about it being petrol as I'm not doing big miles anymore (thank God)

johndaman66 · 06-04-2011 10:28pm

Irish Fire wrote: »

Can you just take the flaps out? will it run without them?

Apparently you can take them out without actually replacing them. It would seem that the main function if not the only function of the flaps is to control emissions at idle. I have seen it noted on threads here that removing them did not necessairly cause any issues come NCT time...which would beg the question in my mind...why the bloody hell did Ford put them into their engines when they could conceivably self destruct the engine while hardly serving a function at the same time. Perhaps all the same if the emissions were border line removing the flaps might be the straw that breaks the camels back so as to speak, Im unsure of that one. A friend at work removed the swirl flaps on his BMW 520d recently. Job set him back €500 to get done but he replaced them also on his.

Good plan on going for the petrol if you plan on doing little mileage by the way. Way too many are way too eager to hop on the diesel bandwagon without proper consideration.

06-04-2011 11:17pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

also see below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mondeo

if its 02 it quite likely has the plastic manifolds, i wouldnt be too concerned with the likes of calipers etc ceasing,.

Quite expensive for replacment calipers for the estate Mondeo though, they're the same part as the X type, apparently very difficult to get 2nd hand. Certainly not something to put one off buying the car or anything though.

Irish Fire · 07-04-2011 6:04am

RoverJames wrote: »

Quite expensive for replacment calipers for the estate Mondeo though, they're the same part as the X type, apparently very difficult to get 2nd hand. Certainly not something to put one off buying the car or anything though.

For as often as it would happen I think I'd ignore the issue, although might be a good way to get a few quid knocked off it

Would regular maintenance solve this problem or is it a case of if it's going to happen it's going to happen?

keithclancy · 07-04-2011 8:34am

Idbatterim wrote: »

to be honest with you Im not sure, I love mondeos though! check autotrader.co.uk for owners reviews, also honest john and there must be ford owners uk sites. But the massive tax on the 2L i.e E600 odd will probably get a few negative comments here! might be better to get an 08 plus crap box, pay less little tax and lose alot more in depreciation...

600 / year is massive tax ?

Harcrid · 07-04-2011 8:40am

If it helps I removed the swirl flaps on my 02 Mondeo 1.8 Litre and ran it for a year with no side effects on either performance or MPG. It had no problems passing the emmissions test in the NCT either.

Idbatterim · 07-04-2011 12:08pm

600 / year is massive tax ?

I was being extremely sarcastic! but the amount of people that go for crap 08+ cars or decide that an extra €450 or €300 per year saved in tax, is a good investment when they are losing multiples of that in depreciation by buying an 08+ car to save on tax, is simply unreal!

Good plan on going for the petrol if you plan on doing little mileage by the way. Way too many are way too eager to hop on the diesel bandwagon without proper consideration.

Spot On!

Also regarding the brake calipers, check out ebay.co.uk, they have new or refurbished ones for a fraction of what you would pay here...

Irish Fire · 08-04-2011 5:52pm

Hope to take a look on Saturday (If I can dump the kids somewhere

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OldmanMondeo · 08-04-2011 6:49pm

johndaman66 wrote: »

A lot of motor factors will allow you a few quid back if you return your siezed calipers to them though.

That is a surcharge built in so you do return them. They then get sent off to be reconditioned. We sell a lot of brake calipers and I don't remember selling any for the Mondeo.

OP, I had 2 1.8 petrol Mondeos, but these were nearly new with low milage when I had them. Never any trouble with either, or the 2 diesel Mondeos I had. All the model your looking at.

johndaman66 · 08-04-2011 7:27pm

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

We sell a lot of brake calipers and I don't remember selling any for the Mondeo.

Hmmm, interesting, the mechanic who checked brothers car over and told him the bad news seemed to be well aware of the high incidence of the same problem in the Mondeo. It would seem that th problem is well documented on Ford owners clubs forums on the interweb too all the same.

C4Kid · 08-04-2011 9:33pm

Perhaps not be a major issue for you OP but MPG probably wouldn't be great on a 2L petrol.

I could be wrong about Mondeos but some 2L petrol cars deliver terrible consumption figures. Depends on driving style though.

Irish Fire · 09-04-2011 10:31am

C4Kid wrote: »

Perhaps not be a major issue for you OP but MPG probably wouldn't be great on a 2L petrol.

I could be wrong about Mondeos but some 2L petrol cars deliver terrible consumption figures. Depends on driving style though.

MPG issue would be true for Fords in general anyway

but reliable cars (I've found anyway). Going to look at it today.......

flyingsnail · 09-04-2011 10:39am

just out of interest, what sort of mpg would you expect from a 2L petrol mondeo?

09-04-2011 11:28am

johndaman66 wrote: »

Hmmm, interesting, the mechanic who checked brothers car over and told him the bad news seemed to be well aware of the high incidence of the same problem in the Mondeo. It would seem that th problem is well documented on Ford owners clubs forums on the interweb too all the same.

It's only on the estate Mondeo, they have a different rear caliper to the saloons and hatches. As far as I know factors don't have a listing for the Mondeo estate. The mechanic who checked out your brother's car is on the ball.

johndaman66 · 09-04-2011 6:39pm

RoverJames wrote: »

It's only on the estate Mondeo, they have a different rear caliper to the saloons and hatches. As far as I know factors don't have a listing for the Mondeo estate. The mechanic who checked out your brother's car is on the ball.

I'm not sure I follow your post fully RoverJames, brothers Mondeo is saloon model. You are right there though, the Estate models have different calipers apparently. Seemingly the reason they sieze is you need to winde the pistons to slot the new pads in. If you winde them in the wrong direction they have a tendancy to sieze. On the estate model you need to winde the pistons in, in the opposite direction....it all seems a bit wierd really!

09-04-2011 6:53pm

johndaman66 wrote: »

I'm not sure I follow your post fully RoverJames,

The estate ones are more expensive new and quite rare 2nd hand as the X type lads have the same problem. No shortage of normal saloon ones 2nd hand

C4Kid · 09-04-2011 8:23pm

just out of interest, what sort of mpg would you expect from a 2L petrol mondeo?

According to What MPG its 36.2 MPG combined.

http://www.whatmpg.co.uk/Ford%20MPG%20information.html

Thats not too bad but I'd say You would have to be very gentle with Your acceleration to reach it in everyday driving!

flyingsnail · 09-04-2011 8:38pm

C4Kid wrote: »

According to What MPG its 36.2 MPG combined.

http://www.whatmpg.co.uk/Ford%20MPG%20information.html

Thats not too bad but I'd say You would have to be very gentle with Your acceleration to reach it in everyday driving!

thanks, not as bad as I thought it might be.

Irish Fire · 09-04-2011 8:43pm

Well I'd be expecting about 30ish to the gallon.........

Anyway had a look today......... WHAT A HEAP OF JUNK!!!!!!! not a straight panel on it (was told only a few scratches) brought me back to the U2 album rattle and hum, when I drove it I was shakin' like a bargaintown wardrobe......... man what a waste of time........

2Lt Mondeo

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