Landmines Imported into Ireland

starbelgrade

From Newstalk..

There are concerns that dissident republicans may be planning to step up their campaign as it emerged that Gardai have intelligence showing a consignment of land mines has recently reached the south of Ireland.
The mines are believed to have been manufactured in Eastern Europe and such weapons have never been used in Ireland before.

http://www.newstalk.ie/2011/news/5landmines-imported-into-ireland-says-garda-intelligence70/


Dissident Republicans, my arse. Murdering, politically backward, scumbags would be a more appropriate term.

thebigbiffo

stoopid f'uckers. hope they forget where they plant them, step on them and end up very badly and painfully mutilated...not dead...

orourkeda

Good friday me bollix

Chaotic_Forces

We should make a game of hopscotch from them.

LondonIrish90

thebigbiffo wrote: »

stoopid f'uckers. hope they forget where they plant them, step on them and end up very badly and painfully mutilated...not dead...

that's the point of a landmine, to injure and occupy the enemy by extracting the casualty. Sadly, in a country like Ireland, its just as likely to be a little girl who steps on one as it is a "real" target.

sanbrafyffe

i agree

RachaelVO

Holy ****!! That's kinda scary! The devastation caused by landmines in other parts of the world has been incalculable. Jesus wept is there no end to the stupid wrecklessness of the fcuking ars3holes!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

Wolfe Tone

The Irish like to get legless but not like this

Retards.. Every bit of land is used in Ireland at some point. If they're left there, it's guaranteed to kill somebody down the line.

helimachoptor

fcuk sake this is a disgrace, round the muppets up and shoot them 1916 style

Frynge

starbelgrade wrote: »

Dissident Republicans, my arse. Murdering, politically backward, scumbags would be a more appropriate term.

You forgot drug dealing

starbelgrade

thebigbiffo wrote: »

stoopid f'uckers. hope they forget where they plant them, step on them and end up very badly and painfully mutilated...not dead...

The problem is that it's never those who plant these devices that suffer the horror they inflict on their victims.

It's so unbelievably backward, it's unfathomable. In 1997, a global movement to prevent the use of landmines in conflicts began. By 2011, 158 countries have signed up to the agreement. And now, a handful of fools are taking steps to drag Ireland back to the middle ages.

It's beyond disgusting. Truly.

Wolfe Tone

The provos used landmines before... These must be anti personnel.

irelandspurs

Getting ready for the queen?

thebigbiffo

starbelgrade wrote: »

The problem is that it's never those who plant these devices that suffer the horror they inflict on their victims.

It's so unbelievably backward, it's unfathomable. In 1997, a global movement to prevent the use of landmines in conflicts began. By 2011, 158 countries have signed up to the agreement. And now, a handful of fools are taking steps to drag Ireland back to the middle ages.

It's beyond disgusting. Truly.

i hope they f'uck up making a bomb or trip one of these while storing - 3 or 4 of these scumbags dead or badly maimed would probably be about 50% of the entire militant side of the 'organisation' wiped out.

Fukuyama

There are numerous RIRA/CIRA sympathizers and even some supporters on these forums. Let's see them try to defend or condone this.

sensibleken

Id hardly think they are going to deploy them as landmines but rather use the explosives and detonators. although i wouldnt put anything past these people.

Id call them animals but I can think of no other animal that would do something so disgusting

Son Of A Vidic

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

The provos used landmines before... These must be anti personnel.

The IRA of course used landmines of varying sizes during their campaign. Some of these were up to 2000Lb in size, they also used a smaller pressure plate type anti-personnel mine. All these devices were designed by them and were lethal. That was a different time of course, but when a viable political alternative was offered they took it.

Today we have a DUP/Sinn Fein Executive sharing power together, these were once hated enemies and polar opposites. But they are a symbol of the progress that has been made since 1998. So when these former enemies can reach a compromise and come together to work for peace. What are these small unsupported, irrational bunch of fruit cakes fighting for? They must have missed the memo - the war is fcuking over!

RichieC

AGS should team up with PSNI and make an elite task force to deal with these pieces of **** in the most draconian way we can get away with.

Well, it would make soccer more interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbpWOvqGDdY

My name is URL

Anyone else think that reporting on this story may not be the best idea in the world? The cnuts responsible for importing the mines well relish the fact that they're causing people to be fearful of an attack. They want to be at the front of people's minds and can achieve that without even using their warez.

speedboatchase

This country has really gone to s**t in the last few years, I barely recognise it to the extent I would have a few years ago

Fukuyama

They're traitors to the PIRA leadership (not that I support PIRA in the slightest).

Frankly I'd turn one cheek if PIRA were to take offence to these lads continuing a dead campaign, crack open the gun case one last time and finish em off in a long weekend. The PSNI and AGS seem to be useless at stopping them...

Fukuyama

My name is URL wrote: »

Anyone else think that reporting on this story may not be the best idea in the world? The cnuts responsible for importing the mines well relish the fact that they're causing people to be fearful of an attack. They want to be at the front of people's minds and can achieve that without even using their warez.

Journalism is there to report on stories in the public interest. Knowing that these scumbags are stepping up the campaign by importing more explosives is good for the public. We need to know what they're capable of so AGS and the PSNI have public support to stop them.

Cazale

Don't see why people are surprised at this. Obviously they are going to attempt to import this type of weaponry for their campaign. Not that I would support them!

phill106

Think they would use guranteed irish mines...
Now all the irish bomb makers will be out of work!

thebigbiffo

Dean0088 wrote: »

They're traitors to the PIRA leadership (not that I support PIRA in the slightest).

Frankly I'd turn one cheek if PIRA were to take offence to these lads continuing a dead campaign, crack open the gun case one last time and finish em off in a long weekend. The PSNI and AGS seem to be useless at stopping them...

i agree with this. the PIRA know who these bottom feeders are. let them off the lease for a few hours and have them drag these lads to a forest somewhere for a swift .9 to the back of the left temple.

Fukuyama

phill106 wrote: »

Think they would use guranteed irish mines...
Now all the irish bomb makers will be out of work!

I wouldn't trust an Irish mine as far as I could throw one!!!
Would have worked so much better if it were hand grenades.... /gets coat

Fukuyama

thebigbiffo wrote: »

i agree with this. the PIRA know who these bottom feeders are. let them off the lease for a few hours and have them drag these lads to a forest somewhere for a swift .9 to the back of the left temple.

I'm surprised they havn't yet. PIRA never took too kindly to off-shoot organisations. Especially seen as how they are still central to 'policing' neighborhoods in the north...

It's probably best left up to the powers that be to take care of them though...

squod

Very suspicious about every story of bombing or shooting on this island. Who is really behind what and what side they were on was hard enough to figure out at the height of it.

A horrible waste of life who ever caused it.

Victor

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

The provos used landmines before... These must be anti personnel.

Not quite accurate. It is also quite glib and probably inappropriate.

The bomb in the youtube video was what is generally referred to as a "road-side bomb" or "improvised explosive device".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_mine

"Nowadays, in common parlance, land mines generally refer to devices specifically manufactured as anti-personnel or anti-vehicle weapons and should be distinguished from improvised explosive devices ("IEDs")."

Large, improvised bombs haven't been called "mines" sinces WWI.

Knasher

My name is URL wrote: »

Anyone else think that reporting on this story may not be the best idea in the world? The cnuts responsible for importing the mines well relish the fact that they're causing people to be fearful of an attack. They want to be at the front of people's minds and can achieve that without even using their warez.

Maybe but it might also give them pause from actually using these devices. After all, assuming they are still fighting towards the same cause the original IRA were fighting towards. Then it will always hinge on popular opinion, the sooner they realise the common man is happy about the peace we have achieved and wants them to leave it alone the sooner they will. After all if the popular opinion right now is that they are a**holes, imagine what it would be like if they actually used these devices.

This is of course assuming that they are some drug running pricks who are out to settle an agenda and are just trying to dress it up in nationalism to pass it off.

Really hope they find these people and the ones responsible in Omagh before it gets any worse.

Wolfe Tone

Victor wrote: »

Not quite accurate. It is also quite glib and probably inappropriate.

The bomb in the youtube video was what is generally referred to as a "road-side bomb" or "improvised explosive device".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_mine

"Nowadays, in common parlance, land mines generally refer to devices specifically manufactured as anti-personnel or anti-vehicle weapons and should be distinguished from improvised explosive devices ("IEDs")."

Large, improvised bombs haven't been called "mines" sinces WWI.

I was reading this earlier and there is talk of land-mines all over the place... I can swear I read of some with pressure plates too.

FlutterinBantam

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I was reading this earlier and there is talk of land-mines all over the place... I can swear I read of some with pressure plates too.

And your point?

LondonIrish90

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

The provos used landmines before... These must be anti personnel.

You say that in such a nonchalent way :rolleyes:

Maybe if one day you find yourself cartwheeling 15 feet through the air, only the land in a mess minus a leg and an arm, might you say to yourself "These must be anti personnel." in the same apathetic fashion?

Redlion

Dean0088 wrote: »

I wouldn't trust an Irish mine as far as I could throw one!!!
Would have worked so much better if it were hand grenades.... /gets coat

From talking to lads serving with the Irish Army, they are under the assumption that some of the best bomb experts in the world are Irish Republicans. One even said that had they been serving with the Taliban in Afghanistan, IED's and timed bombs would be much more effective and destructive.

Berns

Must be preparin for July:rolleyes: prob be spotted by the marchers though if they plant em on the roads :eek:

Wolfe Tone

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

You say that in such a nonchalent way :rolleyes:

Maybe if one day you find yourself cartwheeling 15 feet through the air, only the land in a mess minus a leg and an arm, might you say to yourself "These must be anti personnel." in the same apathetic fashion?

The story said that they where never used here before, I thought they where.

My name is URL

Dean0088 wrote: »

Journalism is there to report on stories in the public interest. Knowing that these scumbags are stepping up the campaign by importing more explosives is good for the public. We need to know what they're capable of so AGS and the PSNI have public support to stop them.

I don't agree with that tbh. How is it good for the public? The fear of terrorism is a tool used by terrorists.. this information will compound that fear and thus plays right into the hands of these muppets.

Intelligence agencies in other countries take great care in regard to what information they release.. especially in ongoing cases.

Wolfe Tone

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't agree with that tbh. How is it good for the public? The fear of terrorism is a tool used by terrorists.. this information will compound that fear and thus plays right into the hands of these muppets.

Intelligence agencies in other countries take great care in regard to what information they release.. especially in ongoing cases.

"Paddy likes to know the truth"

positron

starbelgrade wrote: »

Dissident Republicans, my arse. Murdering, politically backward, scumbags would be a more appropriate term.

I always wondered why they are called 'dissdent republicans' instead of terrorists?

starbelgrade

positron wrote: »

I always wondered why they are called 'dissdent republicans' instead of terrorists?

I've no idea.

The term came about during Stalin's reign in Russia & was used to describe people who opposed his party. In time it took on the broader meaning of people who refuse to conform to authority for the good of a society.

How it then came to be hijacked by a bunch of scumbag idiots is beyond me, because nothing they do is for the good of society.

Tubsandtiles

What a bunch of animals.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

positron wrote: »

I always wondered why they are called 'dissdent republicans' instead of terrorists?

Certainly aren't republicans, republics are democratic. GFA was democratically endorsed both sides of the border. These lads are treasonous
These **** have no cause or ideals, they're just sociopathic f*ckwiths completely consumed with hate and want to watch the world burn

Carlow52

starbelgrade wrote: »

And now, a handful of fools are taking steps to drag Ireland back to the middle ages.

did Fitzpatrick et al not do this already

positron

Aliana Bitter Scorer wrote: »

Certainly aren't republicans, republics are democratic. GFA was democratically endorsed both sides of the border. These lads are treasonous
These **** have no cause or ideals, they're just sociopathic f*ckwiths completely consumed with hate and want to watch the world burn

Okay, the way I look at this is, not calling a spade a spade is actually aiding them.

I have similar issue with the term 'anti-social teenagers' or 'young anti-social elements' etc too. They should be called what they are - teenage criminals, thugs, looters etc. When we as a society use a softer version of the name, I personally feel we are making them sound better than they actually are.

Same here with these terrorists. They are trying to terrorise a community or other, a group of people of some sort. Of course there might be someone out there to call them 'freedom fighters' as it happens all over the world. But, if you and I don't think they are freedom fighters, or doing any good, I think we should call a spade a spade and call them terrorists.

All media etc should also start using the term - there's no room for abiguity here, because, to me, calling them 'dissident' this or that, is doing them a favour really.

/rant.

Fukuyama

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't agree with that tbh. How is it good for the public? The fear of terrorism is a tool used by terrorists.. this information will compound that fear and thus plays right into the hands of these muppets.

Intelligence agencies in other countries take great care in regard to what information they release.. especially in ongoing cases.

Because people have a right to know. What you're suggesting is a police-state-like gag of the media. Terrorists may well use the media to spread fear but it works the other way too. The media needs to be neutral and not used by one side against the other - regardless of what moral highground they rest. It's a cornerstone of democracy.

Anything else is bringing us in line with the US and UK - suppressing the media and trying to hide the truth is the ultimate sign the terrorists have succeeded in scaring even those at the top levels of government.

Adamisconfused

It sounds a bit like a sensationalist story. What could they possibly use land mines for? As another poster said, I doubt they intend to use them for what they were designed to do. If the story is true, a big if, then they'll just take the explosives out of them. Considering they're probably importing stuff left, right and centre anyway, it hardly comes as a surprise that they've got hold of some more Balkans crap.
I doubt many soldiers are being extra careful about where they step tonight.

My name is URL

Dean0088 wrote: »

Because people have a right to know. What you're suggesting is a police-state-like gag of the media. Terrorists may well use the media to spread fear but it works the other way too. The media needs to be neutral and not used by one side against the other - regardless of what moral highground they rest. It's a cornerstone of democracy.

Anything else is bringing us in line with the US and UK - suppressing the media and trying to hide the truth is the ultimate sign the terrorists have succeeded in scaring even those at the top levels of government.

I'm not suggesting a gag order. I'm suggesting that the Gardai do not release what can only be described as sketchy details of such a serious development.

I haven't seen the story reported anywhere other than the Newstalk site, and there is no press release on the Garda website.

from the article -

There are concerns that dissident republicans may be planning to step up their campaign as it emerged that Gardai have intelligence showing a consignment of land mines has recently reached the south of Ireland.

Whose concerns are they exactly? The Gardai's, the author of the article? Well they're the concerns of the public at large now in any case because of such nondescript reporting and/or flimsy press releases.

On a side note, today is the UN International Day for Mine Awareness so at least Newstalk are doing their part in that regard!