.22short from a .22lr??

virminhunter

sorry lads probably a stupid question but I dont know the answer:D can .22short ammo be fired from a .22lr?

Tackleberrywho

virminhunter wrote: »

sorry lads probably a stupid question but I dont know the answer:D can .22short ammo be fired from a .22lr?

Does your rifle say .22 S.L.LR?

virminhunter

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Does your rifle say .22 S.L.LR?

its a .22lr tack.

virminhunter

this is what I'm really looking for
http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?use=1&loadNo=0038

but I'm not sure if I'll be able to get them, I can get .22shorts but I wouldnt chance it until I know if they can be fired from my .22lr

Tackleberrywho

virminhunter wrote: »

its a .22lr tack.

My Da has a .22 sllr and can fire .22 short,long and long rifle.

AFAIK only rifles marked SLLR can do same.

You are only supposed to use ammo chambered for your firearm in any case

Tackleberrywho

virminhunter wrote: »

this is what I'm really looking for
http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?use=1&loadNo=0038

but I'm not sure if I'll be able to get them, I can get .22shorts but I wouldnt chance it until I know if they can be fired from my .22lr

http://www.cci-ammunition.com/international.aspx#4

ARDEE SPORTS COMPANY
PEPPERSTOWN
ARDEE
CO. LOUTH
Ireland
Phone: (+) 353 41 685 3711
Fax: (+) 353 41 685 3072
Email: info@ardee-sports.ie
Website: www.ardee-sports.ie

Sparks

Can you physically do it? Maybe. The round will definitely chamber; but the lands may not have engaged with the bullet head by the time the bolt is closed. Which is why you shouldn't try it - depending on your rifle, it might work or it might damage your rifle. I'm not sure if it'd ever damage it enough to harm you, there being so little charge in a .22 short, but if it damages the chamber badly, well, that's pretty close to buy-a-new-rifle time...

sfakiaman

I'd check your gun's manual, if you haven't got one try here http://stevespages.com/page7b.htm. If it's a tube magazine rifle then they always (afaik) quote the capacity in short, long and long rifle so if it will feed in your rifle it should be ok. One point I would consider is being extra carefull cleaning the chamber before going from shorts to LR. I wouldn't worry about the bullet not reaching the lands when chambering as this is the case in revolvers of all calibers.

virminhunter

I'm kinda getting it now, with a .22lr the bullet is engaged with the rifleling straight away when fired, if I loaded a .22short the bullet will travel 5 or 10mm with nothing touching the sides before it hits the rifleling so if it doesnt go perfectly straight it could do damage to where the chamber meets the barrel or rifled part of the barrel right?

Tackleberrywho

sfakiaman wrote: »

I'd check your gun's manual, if you haven't got one try here http://stevespages.com/page7b.htm. If it's a tube magazine rifle then they always (afaik) quote the capacity in short, long and long rifle so if it will feed in your rifle it should be ok. One point I would consider is being extra carefull cleaning the chamber before going from shorts to LR. I wouldn't worry about the bullet not reaching the lands when chambering as this is the case in revolvers of all calibers.

All .22 cal Rifles I ever handled from prior to say ~1970 were SLLR.
I have not seen it written on any modern rifle.

I take the point about the revolvers.
S&W 686 .38 Special/WC/.357 Mag springs to mind.
I fired all 3 rounds from the same revolver stateside

Sparks

virminhunter wrote: »

I'm kinda getting it now, with a .22lr the bullet is engaged with the rifleling straight away when fired, if I loaded a .22short the bullet will travel 5 or 10mm with nothing touching the sides before it hits the rifleling so if it doesnt go perfectly straight it could do damage to where the chamber meets the barrel or rifled part of the barrel right?

Not as far as 10mm I would hope. But yes, basicly that's the hassle. You'd risk damaging the ends of the lands (not from one shot, but from repeated shots) and you'd be peeling off lead from the round at a right clip depending on how fast the round was going when it hit the lands, which would mean more fouling in the barrel per shot than most .22lr rifles see in months.

And Tack, you must never have handled any anschutz built in the last forty years in that case. The 1700 sporters and the 18xx, 19xx and 20xx match rifles I've shot would all let you chamber a .22short in a .22lr chamber, but the lands would not have engaged, and the wallop you'd give them firing a .22short would at the very least make cleaning up afterwards an interesting task.

As to revolvers, find me a revolver that's as accurate as a rifle and we won't be comparing apples and chalk. There's a reason that the ISSF pistol shooters all switched over to semiautos back in the late 70s.

Tackleberrywho

Sparks wrote: »

And Tack, you must never have handled any anschutz built in the last forty years in that case. The 1700 sporters and the 18xx, 19xx and 20xx match rifles I've shot would all let you chamber a .22short in a .22lr chamber, but the lands would not have engaged, and the wallop you'd give them firing a .22short would at the very least make cleaning up afterwards an interesting task.

As to revolvers, find me a revolver that's as accurate as a rifle and we won't be comparing apples and chalk. There's a reason that the ISSF pistol shooters all switched over to semiautos back in the late 70s.

I have handled quite a few 1710's never saw Suitable for .22 short written on them.

And a S&W 686 is a fine piece of engineering especially in .38WC
My dream Target Pistol

Sparks

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I have handled quite a few 1710's never saw Suitable for .22 short written on them.

Ah, my bad, I misread your post. Lack of coffee, now fixed...

My dream Target Pistol

I think I'll stick to my Walter SSP dream, or maybe the one of a matching set of CM22 and CM32 Morinis

Half-cocked

I used to have an old Remington 511 and it was clearly marked '.22 Short, Long and Long Rifle'. Built in 1946! I wouldn't put .22 shorts into anything that doesn't clearly say it will take them.

Grizzly 45

French Manhurin revolvers,apprently the most accurate,all hand made from the last nut and bolt.With a corrosponding Gallic high price too.

gunhappy_ie

Extract taken from "Cartridges of the world, 10th edition"

"The .22 short is the oldest American, commercial self contained, metalic cartridge and has been in continuous production for more than 143 years"


"The .22 short can be fired in any arm chambered for the long rifle, but most semi auto guns will not function properly wth the .22 short."

Interestingly on a side note it says ".... the .22 short was origionally intended for self defence. It is still used for olympic match shooting and heavy target pistols are specificly built for it."

Sparks

It's a slightly erroneous side note so - ISSF dropped the .22short from the last event that used it a few years back. And I don't remember anything other than the rapid fire pistol event using it before then. And the modern pentathlon folks stopped using it years before that.

gunhappy_ie

Sparks wrote: »

It's a slightly erroneous side note so - ISSF dropped the .22short from the last event that used it a few years back. And I don't remember anything other than the rapid fire pistol event using it before then. And the modern pentathlon folks stopped using it years before that.

Dont shoot the messenger, I dont want to go off topic with the thread on this but im only quoting what it says but the tenth edition was printed in 2003...... is that enough "few years back" ?

Tackleberrywho

To the OP it looks like a yes.

However very few dealers probably stock .22 short ammo anyway so it is probably academic

bunny shooter

I have a couple of boxes of 22 shorts (RWS) I got off Paul in Drangan. Very good when less power is required eg ratting in sheds

Bananaman

Forgive the ignorance but is it not CB Long cartridges he's looking for

are they not a 22 long cartridge with very little propellant? Or are they a 22 short cartridge with very little propellant?

B'Man

gunhappy_ie

Bananaman wrote: »

Forgive the ignorance but is it not CB Long cartridges he's looking for

are they not a 22 long cartridge with very little propellant? Or are they a 22 short cartridge with very little propellant?

B'Man

I assume that since the OP mentioned short that it is what the OP ment,
however the .22 CB is somewhat or a cross bewteen a .22BB cap and .22 short.

If the .22 short will fire from a .22lr i wouldnt see any reason why a .22CB wouldnt.

FISMA

gunhappy_ie wrote: »

"The .22 short can be fired in any arm chambered for the long rifle, but most semi auto guns will not function properly wth the .22 short."

+1 - this is my understanding. However, I have never tried it myself.

The 22 short is an underpowered round. From what I remember, it was the popular round at the carnival for shooting and denting cans. Not a round for any kind of hunting.

I always believed that a 22LR would chamber most 22's except for the 22Magnum: 22 short, 22 long, 22BB, 22CB, and 22 long rifle.

I doubt any manufacturer is going to list all of those on their barrel.

True, the 22short bullet will have to travel a small distance to engage the rifling. However, I doubt this will cause any catastrophic failure. Just a loss of accuracy.

Tackleberrywho

Denting cans at a carnival, Only in America

bunny shooter

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

............Only in America

Dented a few cans myself at carnivals here

You children think if ye didn't invent it it ain't fun

Tackleberrywho

bunny shooter wrote: »

Dented a few cans myself at carnivals here

You children think if ye didn't invent it it ain't fun

I remember Tin can alley too.

It wasn't with a .22 short though

Amd go to bed Bunny.
A man of your age needs yer sleep

bunny shooter

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I remember Tin can alley too.

It wasn't with a .22 short though

Amd go to bed Bunny.
A man of your age needs yer sleep

Hard case .................... still up :P

virminhunter

what I'm really loooking for are cb longs, basically I want to turn my .22lr into a high powered air-rifle for a day if I feel like it, the cb longs have a muzzel velocity of 700fps and are 35ft/lb at the muzzel which would be on par with a seriously powerfull air-rifle, which would make it safe to shoot magpies etc out of the trees, right???

I asked about the .22shorts as I thought they may be the alternative to the cb long but I've since done a bit of reading up on them and they're around 1000fps and 80ft/lb at the muzzel which I reckon would be to powerful to be firing into the sky if I miss, stiil I'm unsure though.

Sparks

FISMA wrote: »

Just a loss of accuracy.

When you can pay over €2k for an anschutz and over €5k for a bleiker, a loss of accuracy is a catastrophic failure

Sparks

bunny shooter wrote: »

Dented a few cans myself at carnivals here

And me. Though I've not seen it at funfairs here since the mid-eighties. Anyone seen a shooting stand at a funfair in the last ten years in Ireland?

Sparks

virminhunter wrote: »

which would make it safe to shoot magpies etc out of the trees, right?

35 ft/lb is nearly three times the limit where airguns become firearms in the UK, and the higher end airguns in the UK at the 12 ft/lb limit would not be fun to be shot with (probably wouldn't be fatal, but definitely you're looking at a serious injury). Three times that? Quite possibly fatal - and if you're aiming up into a tree with a round that has a lethal range of probably between 200 and 400 yards and you either miss or the shot goes through and through...

...well, odds are you could be lucky, but you definitely wouldn't be safe.
If it's what you're looking to do, I'd think a .22 air rifle would be a better tool for the job to be honest.

virminhunter

Sparks wrote: »

35 ft/lb is nearly three times the limit where airguns become firearms in the UK, and the higher end airguns in the UK at the 12 ft/lb limit would not be fun to be shot with (probably wouldn't be fatal, but definitely you're looking at a serious injury). Three times that? Quite possibly fatal - and if you're aiming up into a tree with a round that has a lethal range of probably between 200 and 400 yards and you either miss or the shot goes through and through...

...well, odds are you could be lucky, but you definitely wouldn't be safe.
If it's what you're looking to do, I'd think a .22 air rifle would be a better tool for the job to be honest.

you can buy an air-rifle in the uk without a licence up to 12ft/lb anything over that you need a licence thats the way it was a few years ago anyway, for shooting rabbits and vermin I'd guess most lads would use 20+ft/lb, my first air-rifle was 22ft/lb and did the job very well, remember I don't intend to do anything, thats why I'm asking first.

IF it turned out to be safe why spend €1000 on an air-rifle when I could just buy a box of cb longs

Sparks

virminhunter wrote: »

IF it turned out to be safe why spend €1000 on an air-rifle when I could just buy a box of cb longs

Yup, no harm in asking at all.
Best course of action to take, most times.

gunhappy_ie

virminhunter wrote: »

what I'm really loooking for are cb longs, basically I want to turn my .22lr into a high powered air-rifle for a day if I feel like it, the cb longs have a muzzel velocity of 700fps and are 35ft/lb at the muzzel which would be on par with a seriously powerfull air-rifle, which would make it safe to shoot magpies etc out of the trees, right???

I asked about the .22shorts as I thought they may be the alternative to the cb long but I've since done a bit of reading up on them and they're around 1000fps and 80ft/lb at the muzzel which I reckon would be to powerful to be firing into the sky if I miss, stiil I'm unsure though.

Tackleberrywho

Sparks wrote: »

And me. Though I've not seen it at funfairs here since the mid-eighties. Anyone seen a shooting stand at a funfair in the last ten years in Ireland?

Last time I shot Air-Rifle @ a funfair was ~1995.
I remember you had to score 21 to win and I scored 20 or 22 all the time.

Thing was, I did not care. I just loved shooting

Goosie

virminhunter wrote: »

what I'm really loooking for are cb longs, basically I want to turn my .22lr into a high powered air-rifle for a day if I feel like it, the cb longs have a muzzel velocity of 700fps and are 35ft/lb at the muzzel which would be on par with a seriously powerfull air-rifle, which would make it safe to shoot magpies etc out of the trees, right???

I asked about the .22shorts as I thought they may be the alternative to the cb long but I've since done a bit of reading up on them and they're around 1000fps and 80ft/lb at the muzzel which I reckon would be to powerful to be firing into the sky if I miss, stiil I'm unsure though.

I feel for you VirminH.....I went through the same rigmarole a couple of years back. I wanted a tool for the same reasons you mention and also for rats in sheds. After much searching, ringing I eventually got a couple boxes of the CCI CB Longs. They turned out to be totally inaccurate beyond about 15yds. It just did'nt work for me. I suggest that if you have an abundance of that kind of shooting go the air rifle route. You should be able to pick up a good Break-barrell in .22 for 2-300€. Costs almost nothing to run. Will throw a pellet out at anything from 5-800fps depending on mainspring. Accurate. Only problem is the wind.

recipio

My bolt action anchutz will shoot shorts no problem but my Browning Buckmark won't cycle with them.
I consider them ideal for 50 yard rabbit shooting but they have a surprising range ( I've watched them raise dust at 200 yards ) so I dont think shooting into trees is a good idea .
They are however very quiet and can be used without a moderator.Where can you source them. ? I used to use Eley shorts but they are obsolete.

cheers.

bunny shooter

recipio wrote: »

.........Where can you source them. ?............

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