registring van as private vehicle?

MarcinG

Hi.

I'm just wondering is this possible to register a commercial vehicle (i.e. berlingo/vivaro) as a private vehicle?
I just simply need roomy vehicle ply lined (so people carrier won't do)
and do not want to register it commercially (just in case).
tax office said - "no problem" same with aviva.
but NCT said that vehicle with 2 or 3 seats only won't pass test - anyone
have first hand info is this possible?

CiniO

What do you mean by saying "register a van as private".
I took a quick look on vehicle registration certificate, and there seems to be no field for type of vehicle.
There is only taxation class, and this can be private or commercial.
But vehicles is registered as vehicle. Nothing else.

Slidey

There is no problem registering a van privately.

The NCT will not be testing it, you will have to get it tested once a year in a DoE test centre instead and pay road tax on the CC of the vehicle

CiniO

Slidey wrote: »

There is no problem registering a van privately.

The NCT will not be testing it, you will have to get it tested once a year in a DoE test centre instead and pay road tax on the CC of the vehicle

But if you tax it privately, you can't use the van for business purposes.
If you are planning to use it for business purposes as well, it needs to be taxed commercially.

mullingar

CiniO wrote: »

But if you tax it privately, you can't use the van for business purposes.
If you are planning to use it for business purposes as well, it needs to be taxed commercially.

Are you sure? Thats taxing it twice.

A van taxed as commercial cannot be used for ANY non-commercial use
A van taxed as private can be used for both commercial and private use

Eric Cartman

mullingar wrote: »

A van taxed as private can be used for both commercial and private use

im not too sure your correct on that one , i know definitley if its insured privatley you cant use it for business use eith most companies , i wonder is there limitations in the tax end of things

CiniO

mullingar wrote: »

Are you sure? Thats taxing it twice.

A van taxed as commercial cannot be used for ANY non-commercial use
A van taxed as private can be used for both commercial and private use

I'm not 100% sure, as I'm not a lawyer, but few weeks back on this forum I quoted regulations which seem to confirm what I said.
If I find them I put them here later today.

Generally regulations say, that commercial tax, is for vehicles used for carriage of goods for business purposes. But it's not specified that it has to be only use of this vehicle.
On the other hand, you can tax a vehicle as private, only if this vehicle doesn't fall into any of the other tax categories, including commercial.
So considering all above, if you are using a vehicle for carriage of goods for business purposes, you are supposed to tax it as commercial, even if this vehicle is used as well for private use.
It can be only taxed as private, when not used for bussiness purposes at all.

Think about it other way.

It it was like you said

A van taxed as private can be used for both commercial and private use

then it would apply as well to trucks (they are the same tax category as vans), and anyone would be able to tax a 40 tonne truck liable to over 4k motortax a year, as private for 1.5k stating that this truck is used on Sundays for going to church or something.

mullingar

Form RF111A linky clearly states in the title "Goods Only Declaration" for vehicles <3500kg

So, if you cant declare that it is "Goods Only Declaration", you only have 1 other option. Tax it privately.

CiniO

mullingar wrote: »

Form RF111A linky clearly states in the title "Goods Only Declaration" for vehicles <3500kg

So, if you cant declare that it is "Goods Only Declaration", you only have 1 other option. Tax it privately.

In my opinion, if motor tax offices require anyone to sign that declaration to obtain commercial tax, it's against the Law.
As there seems to be no Law requireing vehicles taxed as commercial, to be used solely for business purposes.

If anyone think there is such law, pleas quote it here.

The Muppet

I was reading up on this lately as I recently aquired a small van. I found some anecdotal evidence that Car/Vans can be taxed privately but can then not be NCT'd and Only Commercial vehicles can be DOE'd.

The gist was that this is/was a grey area in the law.

MarcinG

mullingar wrote: »

Are you sure? Thats taxing it twice.

A van taxed as commercial cannot be used for ANY non-commercial use
A van taxed as private can be used for both commercial and private use

i want to use it for fishing only no bussiness involved - got sick of moving equipment to car every time.
To be on safe side (in case of someone checking on me on private trip) I wanted to have it taxed as private (well i would probably have problems with registring it for myself as commercial anyway this days).
And I need to do so also for insurance.
but not sure can private vehicle be DOE tested (as it won't pass NCT on ground of number of seats/rows of seats etc).


+ how about "crew cab" commercial? are there any small commercials (with under 2000cc engine) with roomy back? ( So far i found only toyotas with 2500cc, pick up trucks (too small and too big engine) and opel vivaro (which is slow as snail in 1.9 version - had it as company van for 2 years)

MarcinG

The Muppet wrote: »

I was reading up on this lately as I recently aquired a small van. I found some anecdotal evidence that Car/Vans can be taxed privately but can then not be NCT'd and Only Commercial vehicles can be DOE'd.

The gist was that this is/was a grey area in the law.

yes this is what I found so far - wanted just to confirm it as it is just insane.

Slidey

I am a Doe tester. There is no problem testing a privately registered van now.

There used to be an issue but it is no longer the case.

As for the big truck argument, once the Gvw is over 3.5t it must be taxed commercially

The Muppet

MarcinG wrote: »

yes this is what I found so far - wanted just to confirm it as it is just insane.

It does seem insane to me too but hey this is Ireland.

I didn't persue it any further as my yoke is currently taxed comercially by previous owner , I too would be interested If anyone has any definite information on this grey area .

<EDIT> just saw Slideys post now, that clears it up thanks

bigroad

I would also buy a second hand van,say a transporter for eg.But i did hear something about having to pay 13.3 percent to vrt if changed to private.Is this true .Also i would like to put 2 more seats in the back to make it like a crew van with some windows {just the next two windows].Has anyone any experience of this.I dont need the van for any commercial use,just space.

CiniO

The Muppet wrote: »

I was reading up on this lately as I recently aquired a small van. I found some anecdotal evidence that Car/Vans can be taxed privately but can then not be NCT'd and Only Commercial vehicles can be DOE'd.

The gist was that this is/was a grey area in the law.

I don't think it's true.
DOE test goods vehicles, no matter if they are taxed commercially or privately.
The vehicle type is stilla goods vehicle, even if taxed privately, so DOE centre has to test it.

MarcinG

It looks promising.
Anyone with experience on changing comm>priv or priv>comm?
(btw are taxis registred as priv or comm?)
I just went to VRT calculator and it may be quite expensive (on random commercials 800 euro and up)

CiniO

Slidey wrote: »

As for the big truck argument, once the Gvw is over 3.5t it must be taxed commercially

Is there any Law stating the above?