Has anybody ever been fined/put in jail for not filling in census ?

Kevin joyce

Reading on the other thread that some people are telling census enumerators to fùck off, will any of those people really be fined 25k or put in jail ?

dextero

Yes. It has happened.

The Scientician

Has anyone ever had the TV licence people appear at their door? I've never had it happen and by the amount of times they claim they call out to houses, statistically I should have had them appear a couple of times by now, at least.

feicim

Kevin joyce wrote: »

Reading on the other thread that some people are telling census enumerators to fùck off, will any of those people really be fined 25k or put in jail ?

Be careful telling the census collectors (CACI International INC) to fock off...

http://lochgelly.org.uk/?p=3881

Jail could be the least of your worries...

nesf

The Scientician wrote: »

Has anyone ever had the TV licence people appear at their door?

Yup, multiple times, different houses. They follow me the feckers.

MyKeyG

dextero wrote: »

Yes. It has happened.

Just goes to show what a ridiculous world we live in. 25k in a recession when 1k would have just as much of an effect and a spell in prison with thieves, rapists and killers for not filling out your census. I despair.

nesf

MyKeyG wrote: »

Just goes to show what a ridiculous world we live in. 25k in a recession when 1k would have just as much of an effect and a spell in prison with thieves, rapists and killers for not filling out your census. I despair.

How is it ridiculous? The Census is serious business and it really isn't much of a burden to fill it out.

chucken1

OP are you filling it out? If not, don't worry!!

MyKeyG

nesf wrote: »

How is it ridiculous? The Census is serious business and it really isn't much of a burden to fill it out.

I didn't say the census itself was ridiculous nor did I say it was anyway a burden. I was talking about the punishment fitting the offence. Yes by all means impose a fitting punishment but a custodial sentence?

Do you honestly agree sharing a jail cell with a hardened criminal is a fitting punishment just because you didn't fill out your census form?

MagicSean

The Scientician wrote: »

Has anyone ever had the TV licence people appear at their door? I've never had it happen and by the amount of times they claim they call out to houses, statistically I should have had them appear a couple of times by now, at least.

3 times in different places. Every time I get Sky or UPC installed.

MyKeyG wrote: »

I didn't say the census itself was ridiculous nor did I say it was anyway a burden. I was talking about the punishment fitting the offence. Yes by all means impose a fitting punishment but a custodial sentence?

Do you honestly agree sharing a jail cell with a hardened criminal is a fitting punishment just because you didn't fill out your census form?

You are looking at the maximum sentence.

dlofnep

nesf wrote: »

Yup, multiple times, different houses. They follow me the feckers.

My friend got a fine in his door for a TV license, when they didn't have electricity or a TV even in the house. This was AFTER he had called to the door, and they told him that they didn't even have electricity yet. (House is only recently built).

Some guff!

angelfire9

dlofnep wrote: »

My friend got a fine in his door for a TV license, when they didn't have electricity or a TV even in the house. This was AFTER he had called to the door, and they told him that they didn't even have electricity yet. (House is only recently built).

Some guff!

Our TV licence lapsed in June 2008 and the inspector called out to the house within a week of it lapsing
It was about 6 weeks after our house had gone up in flames (which is why we hadn't renewed it)and the TV unit was sitting in a skip outside the front door and the Fuse Box was still melted on the wall in the kitchen as we hadn't gotten as far as the kitchen yet in our clearout
No fuse box = no electricity obviously enough

Explained this to said inspector
And got a summons shortly thereafter!

Muppets :rolleyes:

caseyann

The Scientician wrote: »

Has anyone ever had the TV licence people appear at their door? I've never had it happen and by the amount of times they claim they call out to houses, statistically I should have had them appear a couple of times by now, at least.

Do you get a tv licence?

nesf

MyKeyG wrote: »

I didn't say the census itself was ridiculous nor did I say it was anyway a burden. I was talking about the punishment fitting the offence. Yes by all means impose a fitting punishment but a custodial sentence?

Do you honestly agree sharing a jail cell with a hardened criminal is a fitting punishment just because you didn't fill out your census form?

Ah but they are maximum punishments, they're not going to be typical for people who don't fill in their census forms.

jakdelad

the census want us all to be good citizens and fill in their form
however should you fail, they threaten ,fines, jail etc
you see its the eating and drinking for a big quango the CSO
to keep them in their well paid usless jobs for the next 4 yrs
not surprising they have teamed up with CACI [torture inc]
just shows the calibre of management in the CSO
they dont mind who they do business with or their past history
its all down to economics
just smile hand them back their form and tell them you will be out of the country on census night

The Scientician

caseyann wrote: »

Do you get a tv licence?

Yeah, I've always had one.

Velvet shank

jakdelad wrote: »

the census want us all to be good citizens and fill in their form
however should you fail, they threaten ,fines, jail etc
you see its the eating and drinking for a big quango the CSO
to keep them in their well paid usless jobs for the next 4 yrs
not surprising they have teamed up with CACI [torture inc]
just shows the calibre of management in the CSO
they dont mind who they do business with or their past history
its all down to economics
just smile hand them back their form and tell them you will be out of the country on census night

ya have to fill out a different form in that case

jakdelad

Velvet shank wrote: »

ya have to fill out a different form in that case

ha ha jesus
theres no escape

nesf

The Scientician wrote: »

Yeah, I've always had one.

The inspectors don't call to addresses that are listed as having licences.

Dudess

I haven't got a census form yet - never there when the enumerators are around, and the form won't fit in my letterbox. Anyone know is there an alternative means of acquiring a form?

Velvet shank

Dudess wrote: »

I haven't got a census form yet - never there when the enumerators are around, and the form won't fit in my letterbox. Anyone know is there an alternative means of acquiring a form?

your enumerator should have left you a calling card with a proposed delivery time by now. if you don't get one in the next few days, you could ring the census helpline 1890 201111

Dannyboy83

What is the main information they seek to collect in a census, which they do not already have?

Is it more a case that, because of the segregation of our public services and data protection and so on, that they don't actually have access to most of this info?

the groutch

can everyone not just find a hill, and get over it.
it's one form once every 5 years ffs, is it really worth getting fined over?
there are plenty of better ways to "stick it to the man"

spoonface

The Scientician wrote: »

Has anyone ever had the TV licence people appear at their door? I've never had it happen and by the amount of times they claim they call out to houses, statistically I should have had them appear a couple of times by now, at least.

As another poster said, it's when you don't have a licence that you meet them. I was on an apartment before where there was a telly but we never used it and had no cable contract. Inspector showed up and I pretty much had an argument with him at the door but afterwards thought better of it and bought a licence before he had a chance to bring it further.

JustinDee

nesf wrote: »

How is it ridiculous? The Census is serious business and it really isn't much of a burden to fill it out.

Irish people tend to hate being put out and especially being told what to do.
Its almost fuss-free to complete a census form and would take no more than 10 minutes.

thebullkf

jakdelad wrote: »

the census want us all to be good citizens and fill in their form
however should you fail, they threaten ,fines, jail etc
you see its the eating and drinking for a big quango the CSO
to keep them in their well paid usless jobs for the next 4 yrs
not surprising they have teamed up with CACI [torture inc]
just shows the calibre of management in the CSO
they dont mind who they do business with or their past history
its all down to economics
just smile hand them back their form and tell them you will be out of the country on census night

Moronic post of the day.

caseyann

The Scientician wrote: »

Yeah, I've always had one.

Well if you want to see them knock dont get one

jakdelad

JustinDee wrote: »

Irish people tend to hate being put out and especially being told what to do.
Its almost fuss-free to complete a census form and would take no more than 10 minutes.

suppose we dont like telling people how many cars we have or what religion we are
its called right to privacy, hello?

where and how far will the questioning go

Dudess

Agree with you about the bully tactics all right jakdelad, but it's anonymous, so hardly a breach of privacy.

Velvet shank wrote: »

your enumerator should have left you a calling card with a proposed delivery time by now. if you don't get one in the next few days, you could ring the census helpline 1890 201111

Thanks a mil Velvet shank - damn, the card could have been left all right and I could have thrown it out with junkmail...

Re the TV licence: you're supposed to have one, so the licence inspector isn't doing anything wrong by sussing out whether you do or not. They're not door-to-door salespeople. If you can get away with it, great, but once you get caught, you don't have grounds for refusing to pay it when you have a TV. Sure, you might complain about the amount/what it's paying or not paying for, but not paying it won't change those facts and will only leave you more out of pocket in the end.

MyKeyG

nesf wrote: »

Ah but they are maximum punishments, they're not going to be typical for people who don't fill in their census forms.

Thus the ridiculousness of the threat! In my crazy mind anyway.:)

MyKeyG

JustinDee wrote: »

Irish people tend to hate being put out and especially being told what to do.
Its almost fuss-free to complete a census form and would take no more than 10 minutes.

Even though the guy who drops the form off at your house likes to take all the time in the world to explain how to fill it in. That's the pain in the arse!!!

The Scientician

nesf wrote: »

The inspectors don't call to addresses that are listed as having licences.

Ah yeah of course. I never considered that they tallied that information. I thought they'd just turn up on a street and knock on every door.

thebullkf

jakdelad wrote: »

suppose we dont like telling people how many cars we have or what religion we are
its called right to privacy, hello?

Its imperative to assist in future planning and an accurate record of the country and its inhabitants @ this particular point in time.
Have you ever looked back at your ancestors census forms? Its part of current history. Who exactly do you think has access to your information?
What do you think they'll do with it?

where and how far will the questioning go

perhaps you should educate yourself as to what the Census entails before keyboard warrioring about

well paid usless jobs for the next 4 yrs

which is wrong btw:rolleyes:

or drivel such as

torture inc

.

You have no idea what you're talking about, no sense of what the census entails, what forms need to be filled in, or indeed the content of said forms.

maybe if you offered an organised, coherent arguement , your post would be appreciated.

I also fail to see what purpose your PM to me earlier was :rolleyes:

JustinDee

jakdelad wrote: »

suppose we dont like telling people how many cars we have or what religion we are
its called right to privacy, hello?

Hello back.
What religion you may or may not be part of are can be found out easily enough by record. Almost as easily as finding out how many cars you have registered in your name.

jakdelad wrote: »

where and how far will the questioning go

Not very far. The questions are plain and simple. Nothing hidden. Do you notice many changes on the previous census'?

jakdelad

thebullkf wrote: »

Its imperative to assist in future planning and an accurate record of the country and its inhabitants @ this particular point in time.
Have you ever looked back at your ancestors census forms? Its part of current history. Who exactly do you think has access to your information?
What do you think they'll do with it?




perhaps you should educate yourself as to what the Census entails before keyboard warrioring about

which is wrong btw:rolleyes:

or drivel such as .

You have no idea what you're talking about, no sense of what the census entails, what forms need to be filled in, or indeed the content of said forms.

maybe if you offered an organised, coherent arguement , your post would be appreciated.

I also fail to see what purpose your PM to me earlier was :rolleyes:

oh ya assist with future planning grow up will ya
how many new hospitals have been built in the last 10 yrs
how many new schools have been built in the last ten years
in case you hadent noticed the IMF are running the show
besides all the crony politician backhand motorways built
name 3 things we should thank the cso for
by the way torture inc refers to CACI you may have heard of them
yes thats right the torture boys supplied to iraq
the same company the CSO employ
yes its details are here enlighten yourself http://www.alternet.org/world/44506/
i dont beleive in filling in a form
so future generations can look up their long lost grannys etc
a bit of a waste of money dont you think?
however you be the good citizen and fill in your form
then you can come here and condescend all you like
it may be a new concept to you ,its called having a different opinion
its looking at things differently
you ll find all the info here
http://www.irishskeptics.org/

thebullkf

jakdelad wrote: »

oh ya assist with future planning grow up will ya
how many new hospitals have been built in the last 10 yrs
how many new schools have been built in the last ten years
in case you hadent noticed the IMF are running the show
besides all the crony politician backhand motorways built
name 3 things we should thank the cso for
by the way torture inc refers to CACI you may have heard of them
yes thats right the torture boys supplied to iraq
the same company the CSO employ
yes its details are here enlighten yourself http://www.alternet.org/world/44506/
i dont beleive in filling in a form
so future generations can look up their long lost grannys etc
a bit of a waste of money dont you think?
however you be the good citizen and fill in your form
then you can come here and condescend all you like
it may be a new concept to you ,its called having a different opinion
its looking at things differently
you ll find all the info here
http://www.irishskeptics.org/

Sweet christ, the CSO and the Census document the state of the country in its current position,
How many live in houses,apartments?
how many drive,cycle,walk to work.
how many work
how many men women,children are in the state,their nationalities,diversity,ethnicity.,maritial status,education,emmigration.
Population,growing?..or not..?

they're not responsible for our current predicament, they docuement it as evidence for future generations. i'm unsure as to whether or not you're troilling...are you?

Also everyone must fill in the Census- its the Law. Break laws much?
It captures the underlying changes in society and no other report gives us a better glimpse of what the future might be like.

in 2006 Ireland took in more immigrants per head than any other EU country and this includes the UK and Sweden – the only two other EU countries with an open borders policy to the new eastern states of the Union.Ireland also apsorbed migrants per head than the US. If the US were to match the per capita Irish figures, it would have taken in close to 15 million people in the previous two years – twice the population of New York... i wonder what the census will reveal this time round?

Tbh you haven't a clue, i won't bother explaining in future.:rolleyes:

jakdelad

thebullkf wrote: »

Sweet christ, the CSO and the Census document the state of the country in its current position,
How many live in houses,apartments?
how many drive,cycle,walk to work.
how many work
how many men women,children are in the state,their nationalities,diversity,ethnicity.,maritial status,education,emmigration.
Population,growing?..or not..?

they're not responsible for our current predicament, they docuement it as evidence for future generations. i'm unsure as to whether or not you're troilling...are you?

Also everyone must fill in the Census- its the Law. Break laws much?
It captures the underlying changes in society and no other report gives us a better glimpse of what the future might be like.

in 2006 Ireland took in more immigrants per head than any other EU country and this includes the UK and Sweden – the only two other EU countries with an open borders policy to the new eastern states of the Union.Ireland also apsorbed migrants per head than the US. If the US were to match the per capita Irish figures, it would have taken in close to 15 million people in the previous two years – twice the population of New York... i wonder what the census will reveal this time round?

Tbh you haven't a clue, i won't bother explaining in future.:rolleyes:

so your concerned about how many immigrants are here,
i dont have any issues with immigrants.
yes alot of taxpayers money spent on the census
rather a bit much for a glimpse? dont you think
still your very silent on CACI, now theres real law breakers for you
http://www.highlandradio.com/2011/03/29/mac-lochlainn-claims-census-contract-company-has-abu-ghraib-links/
let me tell you about the changes in society
any info you need is available from revenue
how many are working the tax take, imports, exports. you know important stuff'
social welfare can tell you how many are not working......
the amount of people riding bikes to work?? what religion you are? come on
the quickie census
nearly half a million on the dole
the country gone down the tubes
IMF running the show
and your worried about immigrants and push bikes???
if over a thousand dont or fill in the census form wrong
by definition the whole thing is meaningless
heres a concept
take the millions spent on the census
give it to the CSO quango as redundancy payments
close it ,and it would be one less bill for the hard pressed taxpayer

ps sorry for having a view only
i understood that was the reason folk come here, to express their views
and debate,and not go running whingeing to the moderators because someone else has a different opinion.


Man's mind, once stretched by a new idea, never regains its original dimensions. ~Oliver Wendell Holmes

thebullkf

jakdelad wrote: »

so your concerned about how many immigrants are here,
i dont have any issues with immigrants.
yes alot of taxpayers money spent on the census
rather a bit much for a glimpse? dont you think
still your very silent on CACI, now theres real law breakers for you
let me tell you about the changes in society
any info you need is available from revenue
how many are working the tax take, imports, exports. you know important stuff'
social welfare can tell you how many are not working......
the amount of people riding bikes to work?? what religion you are? come on
the quickie census
nearly half a million on the dole
the country gone down the tubes
IMF running the show
and your worried about immigrants and push bikes???
if over a thousand dont or fill in the census form wrong
by definition the whole thing is meaningless
heres a concept
take the millions spent on the census
give it to the CSO quango as redundancy payments
close it ,and it would be one less bill for the hard pressed taxpayer

it was one example of many, you seem to have a real problem with authority?

heres a concept: educate yourself before spewing drivel on the interweb.;)

jakdelad wrote: »

if thats the case the cso has nothing but contempt for the general public
...
myself and several others will be burning our census forms
as we have done in the past ....

when did you burn census forms?....the last one?...last two?....three?

jakdelad wrote: »

question 13
how many children have you given birth to
[this question is for women only]


this will give you a glimpse of the calibre of people working in the CSO

what does that even mean?

jakdelad wrote: »

funny my enumerator drives a merc and is not unemployed
he wont have to worry i wont be answering the door
cctv
if i need to see a dentist or solicitor etc i must make an appointment
i take great exception these census people think they can just barge into your home at any evening or weekend
they wont be counting the toilets in my house
[they are only doing their job[ the nuremburg defence

more uneducated bolloxology:rolleyes:

...wait theres more....

jakdelad wrote: »

who do i think i am??
i am a tax paying citizen who wants his privacy respected
and not to be harrassed by some bozo who for a few bob
is going around collecting useless data for an overpaid
quango namely the CSO...

unreal.

yet a different poster remarks on your respect or lack of these people enumerating, your response..?????

jakdelad wrote: »

whatever

enough said.

johnnyskeleton

MyKeyG wrote: »

Just goes to show what a ridiculous world we live in. 25k in a recession when 1k would have just as much of an effect and a spell in prison with thieves, rapists and killers for not filling out your census. I despair.

25k is for a trial on indictment. It is insane to suggest that someone who didn't fill in their census would be tried before a jury.

thebullkf

ps sorry for having a view only
i understood that was the reason folk come here, to express their views
and debate,and not go running whingeing to the moderators because someone else has a different opinion.


Man's mind, once stretched by a new idea, never regains its original dimensions. ~Oliver Wendell Holmes

is that directed at me?..... i didn't do any whinging to moderators.

did you?

thebullkf

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

25k is for a trial on indictment. It is insane to suggest that someone who didn't fill in their census would be tried before a jury.

i can't see that happening tbh, but if it acts as a deterrent, fair enough.

theres enough shoite on forums about putting Jedi down as your religon etc imagine there were no caveats to filling it out....

Dudess

Jakdelad, if a person fills the census, it doesn't make them a meek, compliant little citizen, and refusing to fill it doesn't make a person a totally out-there rebel. You're not being that anti establishment really - plenty of teenagers and whatnot complain about "the man".

jakdelad

thebullkf wrote: »

it was one example of many, you seem to have a real problem with authority?

heres a concept: educate yourself before spewing drivel on the interweb.;)




when did you burn census forms?....the last one?...last two?....three?



what does that even mean?




more uneducated bolloxology:rolleyes:

...wait theres more....




unreal.

yet a different poster remarks on your respect or lack of these people enumerating, your response..?????




enough said.

well now you got all that off your chest, mr educated...
Ignosce ignorantiam.
may we humbly ask what is your much valued opinion
on the issue of the CSO employing CACI..
and please do feel free to use my hole for a step
when you come here to ridicule us uneducated plebs
only you see not everyone is educated to the last like you..
[if only we could get a foal out of you,] country term of endearment.....
please let me know if in anyway i can stroke your superior ego
i also appeal to the other posters here who are really educated enough
to join in our little chit chat my education or lack of,, doth bore the..BULLkf.........
flecto sapientiae

Minstrel27

I haven't received a census form yet.

thebullkf

jakdelad wrote: »

well now you got all that off your chest, mr educated...
Ignosce ignorantiam.
may we humbly ask what is your much valued opinion
on the issue of the CSO employing CACI..
and please do feel free to use my hole for a step
when you come here to ridicule us uneducated plebs
only you see not everyone is educated to the last like you..
[if only we could get a foal out of you,] country term of endearment.....
please let me know if in anyway i can stroke your superior ego
i also appeal to the other posters here who are really educated enough
to join in our little chit chat my education or lack of,, doth bore the..BULLkf.........
flecto sapientiae

no you may not. sick of your shoite talk to be honest.
I ain't feeding this troll.

*hits IGNORE* BUTTON

thebullkf

Minstrel27 wrote: »

I haven't received a census form yet.

have you received anything?...ie calling card etc?

where do you live?

vampire of kilmainham

nesf wrote: »

How is it ridiculous? The Census is serious business and it really isn't much of a burden to fill it out.

yes it is everyone knows your buisness and those census enumerators i bet they read your form over a coffee in starbucks:eek::eek::eek:

stargazer 68

vampire of kilmainham wrote: »

yes it is everyone knows your buisness and those census enumerators i bet they read your form over a coffee in starbucks:eek::eek::eek:

Yeah because they have nothing else to do with the day and how you heat your house and how long it takes you to get to work is soooooooo interesting!! :rolleyes:

vampire of kilmainham

k_mac wrote: »

3 times in different places. Every time I get Sky or UPC installed.



You are looking at the maximum sentence.

sure there's no room in our prisions iv never heard of anyone sent to prison for not filling out a census form anyway sure just fill it in tell lies on it blow your nose in it just fill it in for fcuk sake whats the big deal:D:D:D

Eliot Rosewater

This thread didn't reach Politics standards in the first place, and now with two bans coming out of it (jakelad for being a troublemaker; thebullkf for responding in kind) it's high time it ended.

/mod.