merits of Peugeot versus Toyota Corolla

ballybranach

Trying to weigh up the merits of buying either A petrol Toyota Corolla 03 about and a diesel Peugeot 307 02. Similar milage. Corolla about a K dearer. Have always had Totota diesl. Any comments to offer on Peugeot in comparison?Thanks.

Leonard Hofstadter

The Toyota is infintely more reliable than the Pug, apart from the well known tendancy of VVTi engines to burn copious quantities of oil as the miles pile on, but both cars are a long way from the best in the class - the Focus has the reliability of the Corolla but is about a million times better in every other regard. A TDI Golf/Octavia/Leon is probably the best car from that vintage if you want a reliable diesel though - those old 1.9 TDIs will run forever if they get regular servicing and are treated well.

David09

I'd say focus too. Failing that I'd go with the peugeot.
Peugeot are not all as bad as they make out and are far nicer to drive that the toyota. The 1.6 hdi 307 shares it's engine with the focus.
The peugeot is cheaper vs the corolla probably because of toyota's perceived reliability. I'd pay no money or attention to it as it's just all marketing and brand image.

bazz26

307s are hit and miss though and not that nice to drive. You could get a good one but then again you might end up with a right pig too especially at that age.

colm_mcm

The 02 wouldn't be 1.6 hdi, its more likely to be the the dreadfully slow 1.4 hdi.

The 307 has a deserved bad reputation. It really is a bad car.

GERMAN ROCKS

307 1.4 hdi will give outstanding mpg. cheap to tax. ok look there might be the odd thing go wrong with it put you are saving a grand and that would do a lot of work. you would have to work out your mileage although at that age diesel will always win especially this as tax is cheaper, you will be getting about 55 mpg versus about 40mpg with the corolla and diesel is 4-5 cent cheaper at the pumps. corollas are very dull and look a bit dated

VolvoMan

The 307 is really crap, I mean seriously crap.

andyseadog

this could actually be the most vs. least reliable car of the 00's thread.

those pug's were known to be riddled with faults, the corolla would be 100 times more reliable, and in contradiction to the above, toyota had gotten a handle on the oil burning issue by 03 i'm fairly sure.

unless your doing monster mileage, get the corolla.

squod

andyseadog wrote: »

this could actually be the most vs. least reliable car of the 00's thread.

those pug's were known to be riddled with faults, the corolla would be 100 times more reliable, and in contradiction to the above, toyota had gotten a handle on the oil burning issue by 03 i'm fairly sure.

unless your doing monster mileage, get the corolla.

I would have though the opposite. Who'd want to drive a corolla all day?

andyseadog

squod wrote: »

I would have though the opposite. Who'd want to drive a corolla all day?

people who want cheap, reliable, hassle free motoring?

if he was looking for driving thrills i don't think he would look at either a 307 or a corolla

bazz26

GERMAN ROCKS wrote: »

307 1.4 hdi will give outstanding mpg. cheap to tax. ok look there might be the odd thing go wrong with it put you are saving a grand and that would do a lot of work. you would have to work out your mileage although at that age diesel will always win especially this as tax is cheaper, you will be getting about 55 mpg versus about 40mpg with the corolla and diesel is 4-5 cent cheaper at the pumps. corollas are very dull and look a bit dated

How is the tax cheaper, the 307 is 1.4 and the Corolla is 1.3, both are 02/03 so are taxed on engine size. Any savings at the pump could easily be cancelled out by a failed turbo, dmf or injectors on the diesel engine at that age, a petrol engine is less complex. Also how could a Corolla be any more dull or dated than a 307? Peugeot stopped making good driver's cars back with the 306/406.

GERMAN ROCKS

307s are actually very well equiped. all have a/c auto lights, auto wipers. xts have wood dashes, climate control velour seats with arm rests etc. far more comfortable car than the corolla is. sorry thought i read he was looking at a 1.6 petrol.in this case tax would be the same. diesel engine will outlive a petrol one. the Hdi engine is proved as one of the best diesel engines around.

wildefalcon

Peugeot, most reliable car in Europe.

True. Look it up.

Agreed the 306 is much better, but the 307 hdi1.4 is a pure mean miser on fuel. I mean, seriously nasty mean on fuel.

Truth? Which has the best service history! A trashed Toyota is worse than a minded pug.

Best of luck, what ever you get!

G.

EPM

OP, what's your yearly mileage?

I'd go Corolla but that's because the 307 is a turd. Even taking aside reliability it's a rattly old yoke. And this is from first hand experience of a brand new at the time one.

ballybranach

andyseadog wrote: »

people who want cheap, reliable, hassle free motoring?

if he was looking for driving thrills i don't think he would look at either a 307 or a corolla

Thanks lads. Great you all took the trouble to help out. Not interested in speed or looks really as am now in my sixties. Have always had Carina diesels that last forever. Would prefer to get a Corolla diesel, 02/3 or so, but are hard to get. So beginning to look at the petrol options reluctantly.

colm_mcm

wildefalcon wrote: »

Peugeot, most reliable car in Europe.



G.

Most reliable European car in Europe (207 actually) based on warranty direct and the fact that the 207 is such a new model.

307 was placed 158 out of 159 cars in the 05 top gear survey.
Place 159 was the Peugeot 807.

bazz26

GERMAN ROCKS wrote: »

307s are actually very well equiped. all have a/c auto lights, auto wipers. xts have wood dashes, climate control velour seats with arm rests etc. far more comfortable car than the corolla is. sorry thought i read he was looking at a 1.6 petrol.in this case tax would be the same. diesel engine will outlive a petrol one. the Hdi engine is proved as one of the best diesel engines around.

They maybe well equipped but I would be of the opinion that the less toys a 307 has the better. My uncle had one, no mechanical problems but the auto lights/wipers system stopped working after about 3 years.

Regarding the HDi being one of the best diesel engines around, they are good, I've had 2 of them but they are not without their issues, like most modern diesels. An 8 year old one could potentially have a massive bill waiting just around the corner which would cancel any savings made at the pump.

iphone4g

VolvoMan wrote: »

The 307 is really crap, I mean seriously crap.

You are talking out your hole.
I have one, 06 almost 100k all i have done to is is service brake pads and did the timing belt early just in case.

I have not had one bit of trouble with it.

andyseadog

iphone4g wrote: »

You are talking out your hole.
I have one, 06 almost 100k all i have done to is is service brake pads and did the timing belt early just in case.

I have not had one bit of trouble with it.

i don't think he's talking from his hole at all.

your either **** lucky or one of the very few irish motorists who correctly maintain your car and even if you are, your still lucky as hell.

every 307 i've ever encountered has been a skip, they were very flawed cars.

coolbeans

iphone4g wrote: »

You are talking out your hole.
I have one, 06 almost 100k all i have done to is is service brake pads and did the timing belt early just in case.

I have not had one bit of trouble with it.

I don't know why you feel the need to be so rude about it but I guess that's just the way you are. The 307 really is a turd, especially the early ones, the later ones were polished turds but turds none the less. If you look at the stats, and that's all I care about, not isolated incidents of trouble free motoring, you'll see a definite pattern of 307 turdiness. And I'm a Pug fan, we had 205s, a 406 coupe and two 306s so I'm not utterly clueless or biased against the marque. The only redeeming features of the 307 are decent diesel engines and good space. Bloody ugly car too.

Leonard Hofstadter

GERMAN ROCKS wrote: »

307s are actually very well equiped. all have a/c auto lights, auto wipers. xts have wood dashes, climate control velour seats with arm rests etc. far more comfortable car than the corolla is. sorry thought i read he was looking at a 1.6 petrol.in this case tax would be the same. diesel engine will outlive a petrol one. the Hdi engine is proved as one of the best diesel engines around.

No they don't. The poverty spec ones have plastic wheel trims and shiny black door handles, with no a/c or auto anything.

The only reason a diesel 307 will outlive a petrol one is becuase petrol Pugs are usually dreadful for reliability.

Granted it is possible to buy a high spec 307 and the spec level in a Corolla is truly dreadful, but it is clear that the OP isn't bothered by this, and besides most 307s are poverty spec.

Also, early 307s had a little 1.4 HDi, which does 0-60 in over 16 seconds, which means its dreadfully underpowered (and has only 70 bhp). The 1.4 VVTi Corolla (and I know this because I've had the misfortune of driving one) is really lively for such a little engine - it feels more like a 1.6 and it likes to rev. It has 97 bhp to the 307 diesel's 70 bhp or the petrol's 75 bhp.

The Corolla is not a good drive (the 98-02 is shocking actually, but the OP is looking at the post 02 model, which is better), like all Toyotas, but I seem to recall the 307 being slated for being one of the worst Peugeots of the last decade, especially as it reportedly is no better than the Toyota and most certainly is not 'the drive of your life'.

RobAMerc

I have to say - I could put up with all the hassle the Pug could possibly put me through rather than drive the sh1t box biscuit tin on wheels that is the Corolla - one of the most talentless, characterless pieces of white goods trash I have ever driven ( only surpassed by the Yaris I think ). A truly hateful little car.

the Pug will be quieter, ride better, I can only imagine nicer to drive ( been a passenger in one only ) and will save you a few quid on juice ( although none of those things may mean diddley to you - if you want a no hassle day to day car )