You should never meet your heroes

RobAMerc

we all here had cars we dreamed about as a youngster and some of us who are lucky enough got to own or at least drive them when we "grew up". However, there is undoubtedly a few cars we idolised as a kid which when we eventually got to drive turn out to be complete turkeys - anyone care to recount tales ?

bijapos

Sad to say it but for me it was an 85 Testarossa. Grew up with the Miami Vice thing and along with the Countach and later the F40 and 959 it was one of the cars I seriously wanted when I was a teenager. I had heard vague rumours about them but it was around 1997 that I got a chance to drive one in anger. I was selling my 1982 911, the buyer owned the Testa, we couldn't agree on a price so he offered me the car for a few hours some Sunday morning. My then girlfriend knew him so it wasn't as mad as it seemed.

Anyway, we headed off one Sunday on the autobahn at about 6am, the car is hard to get into, the gears take ages to warm up, visibility is dire, I drive trucks so am well used to driving with just the side mirrors but this was seriously bad. Knowing where the front ends is nigh on impossible, the seating position is so-so but nowhere near as good as the 911. The problems relly started when we got onto the open road, although the acceleration is incredible and the sound from the V12 as good as you'll get, on the Autobahn the car was brutally unstable over 260kmh, the nose and steering feel very light at that speed and hitting 275 felt suicidal. This was seemingly an issue with the earlier cars and I think was rectified from 89 onwards.

On country roads it is good but not as fast as you would think, it also suffered badly from brake fade compared to the 911. The owner told me that a 911 could beat it over windy hilly roads (Taunus hills near Frankfurt) and I tended to believe him.

Having said that the acceleration is phenomenal, it looks great (especially from the back imo) and once its warmed up on open roads its a great day out.

But my lasting opinion was disappointment, it was a bit like getting that girl you always lusted after into the sack and finding out she farts.

RobAMerc

nice piece bijapos- well written. pity you picked one of my idol cars to hate !
I imagine any supercar is never going to be as good as a proper sports car - they are build for looking ridiculous in the south of France with a beautiful blonde in the passenger seat and your pink trousers bulging from the orange you stuck down it.
Secondly - we do have to remember a lot of the cars we will be talking about need to be taken into context. I drove a 79ish 308 GTB once - was like a truck with no power steering and the gearbox was unusable till it warmed up - but it wasn't fair to compare it to the 2003 320 I was driving at the time. When I lusted after it in 79 it was light years ahead of the Austin Maxi. I cannot say it didn't live up to the hype though.

bijapos

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Since most people are spoiled by modern cars it can be a big shock when u step into a classic sportscar.

Newest thing I've ever had was an 05 Renault Master, I've almost always had cars that are 10-20+ years old. I agree that older cars, sports or not take a bit of getting used to, in the UK a friend has a 1950's Ford Popular, always takes a bit of getting used to when out for a spin in it.

I remember driving a mid 70`s 911 at a track day a while ago and it was a real mule to drive hard. Still it sounded great though

They can be a bit difficult, they improved greatly with age, the 993 was the pinnacle but it took them 30 odd years to get there. I also had a 1968 Porsche 912, the 911 with the 4 cylinder engine, though it lacked the power it was for me a better drive than the 6 cylinder, a lot "friendlier" in many ways especially the handling. If things improve I hope to get one in the next 12 months. I also drove the original 911 Turbo, 260bhp, 4 speed, mad acceleration in straight lines but very frightening in corners and awful Turbo lag. It was known in Germany as the widow maker for a good reason. When it bit you, it took your arse and wallet with you. Great car till it all goes horribly wrong. Today cars which are proven to be absolutely accident free go for big money in Germany as most of early Turbos got a rap at some stage in their lives.


@RobaMerc, I didn't hate the Testarossa, maybe I expected too much from it. I had heard of its stability problem at high speeds before, maybe I just didn't want to believe it. It certainly shouldn't fall into the category of "complete turkeys" more that of "heroes you shouldn't meet" but I suppose I just wanted it to be so much more and was inevitably disappointed.

RobAMerc

LIGHTNING wrote: »

In fact I thought the 968 Clubsport was a far nicer drive.

the 968 club sport is widely regarded as one of the best handling Porsches ever - and best handling anything at the time it was produced.

Bigus

bijapos wrote: »

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But my lasting opinion was disappointment, it was a bit like getting that girl you always lusted after into the sack and finding out she farts.


I thought they all Farted ??????????????

Bigus

One car that exceeded my expectations was/is a BMW M3 CSL. Having seen Jeremy Clarksons video on the Isle of Man i wanted to have a go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZs4tyLryYs

This is one serious car that is more than the sum of its considerably altered parts. The owner also had access to a Ferrari 360 Stradale but reckoned the Csl was Better.

From the first blip of the Throttle I was smitten.
I always give myself loads of time to acclimatise with any high power car and change up and down through the box and get a feel for the brakes and steering along with giving the passenger confidence.

Anyway this car felt very natural and balanced and I soon had it opened up resulting in an involuntary Guffaw from myself.

A lasting impression was looking at the speedo and thinking that maybe 120 kmh was too much for this dual carriageway, only to realise that the 120 was actually MPH ! Didn't feel like 120 mph to me it was so well planted.


There are many modifications to a CSL over a standard M3 but the one that doesn't get mentioned much is that All the software is remapped by BMW motorsport and they way the anti-lock brakes won't lock up until the very last minute is awe inspiring. The Motorsport software also means the Flappy Paddle Box slams into the next gear with fearsome rawness, so much so you'd think the diff would explode with each shift when on its quickest setting. Bang, Bang, Bang. On downchanges the software blips the throttle expertly which is great for pose value and sounds fantastic through the thinner walled lightweight exhaust.

It is also one car the never fails to make grown men burst into involantary laughter and make Females scream out loud.

Any way this is one hero that exceeds expectations & Without doubt the lasting impression of this machine is the sound.

I've met some more of my other heroes but that's another story.

Alfasudcrazy

My hero's were a bit more mundane when I was younger. I lusted after such bread and butter models as a beetle. Morris minor and a Mk III Cortina. All drove like dogs. The mk III Cortina especially was as wallowey as a ship in a storm.

But these were just the exceptions. Mostly my hero's have lived up to or even exceeded expectations. The Alfasud, Fiat 128 3p, BMW E30 325, Corrado, Mk II Golf Gti, Rover P6, Fiat Coupe etc - but that's for another thread I suppose.

flatty

A few years back I didn't have a car, but got a bit of a heart thing, and the doc said I'd have to drive for a bit instead of cycling. My wife told me to go and buy something nice, as "you work really hard, and never spend any money on yourself"
I was chatting to a good pal neighbour in the pub a couple of nights after and ended up buying his pals 911. I then was offered and bought a pristine mid nineties 500sl.
I realised then that cars are usually nicer looking from the outside in than from the inside out. I recently sold the 911 as I did 2000 miles a year in it and was spending 2000 a year on mainte. My next door neighbour who is pretty wealthy was given a courtesy car when his was in for a service, and it transpires it was a 5 litre convertible mustang, blue with a white stripe. It was beautiful. I admired it and he threw me the keys and said to take it for a spin. I realised that the engine burble wasn't half as nice when you're driving as it is from the outside.
The nicest car I've driven lately tbh was a Ford people carrier we rented in florida. So slow that it took all the stress out of driving.

MrCostington

Good thread idea OP!

I lusted after the Sierra Cosworth ever since it came out, and in '96 I got an '88 4 door one in moonstone blue IIRC. Problem was it was a tired example, must have had a hard life. It was chipped to stage 1 so supposed to produce 270 bhp. But it never ran right, I took it to the right workshops (won't say names but people who specialised in performance cars) and it would run well for a while but then drop off again. Think it needed a new turbo/wastegate.

Other problem was steering was sloppy, again got a few temp fixes done but needed a new rack. All in all a great car when going well, but those days were few. Sold is on in 2000 I think.

flatty

I sat in a testarossa once, and was horrified by how spartan and uncomfortable it seemed. It wasn't driving though, and the owner was so anal that he wouldn't even start the engine, but I remember feeling disappointed at the time. That was back when I'd never really even seen a ferrari in the flesh, and had it in my mind to be some kind of leather wrapped fantasy garden inside I suppose.

MrCostington

flatty wrote: »

I sat in a testarossa once, and was horrified by how spartan and uncomfortable it seemed.

Lucky it wasn't an F40 then ! And no I've not been in one Just from the pics

w124man

I always fancied a 911 and loved the hype that surrounded them. Then I drove one in anger at a track day in the UK and there ended the dream! Totally underwhelmed by its brake fade.

TheDriver

I always loved the V6 and v8 that lots of British stuff had. Then when I grew up, I drove things like a granada, a transit (yes, a transit with V6 petrol) and land rover defender with v8. All of which was dog slow and rough. Was I disappointed.

Henry Ford III

Drove a 911 Carerra 4 (I think) in rural N.J. USA a few years ago. It was a few years old - not sure of the model number.

It was very quick, but the ride was pretty awful. The roads are poorly surfaced (extremes of heat and cold) and I couldn't really use the power because of that.

The engine sounded great though.

unkel

Old thread, didn't get off the ground initially but maybe this bumping will give it the more substance that it deserves. Good to see you're still around, Alfasudcrazy

My favourite saloon car of all time is the Mercedes Benz W126 and then the V8 petrol auto 500SE or SEL in particular. I'd never owned a Mercedes and I was keen to get one of these last summer. Went to see a reasonably priced NCTd 80s 500SE in Cork last summer. Had to take the train down with a wad of cash in my pocket as I was convinced I would buy the car and drive it home. Car was nowhere near in as good a state as the ad / pics / conversation with the owner suggested. And I was terribly disappointed during the test drive. It was like trying to drive a stately home. Having come from many BMW saloons, all of them at least one generation newer than the W126 didn't help. My expectations were all wrong. I didn't even bother making the owner a low ball offer. W126 is not for me. I went back home on the train...

Did buy a W201 "Baby" Merc though a few months later

mittimitti

do you still have the w201
Did you go for petrol or diesel

unkel

Yes still have the W201. It is the 2.6l petrol straight six cylinder automatic. It's taxed and the NCT is being extended from October 2018 until October 2019 at the moment because of the new rules. It's totally dependable / reliable but I use it very little. I might put it up for sale if anyone is interested

mittimitti

I was always a big fan of the 190 beautiful looking car

flatty

I've put a deposit down on a w126 300se.
I don't really care about handling or speed, just hope it's the big comfy barge it looks. I'll write an opinion fwiw once I get it.

w124man

As regards the W126, only good ones feel good, if you know what I mean!


I enjoy every mile in mine but I enjoy looking at it every bit as much!


I would like a W201 2.6 .........

whippet

my childhood dream was the mid 80's 911 .. and a few weeks back I got to drive one on the Nuremberg ring .. it met all expectations. I didn't rag it as it was a private car belonging to a friend.

unkel

whippet wrote: »

I didn't rag it

Just as well. The widowmaker might have finished you off

ht9zni1gs28crp

whippet wrote: »

my childhood dream was the mid 80's 911 .. and a few weeks back I got to drive one on the Nuremberg ring .. it met all expectations. I didn't rag it as it was a private car belonging to a friend.

Nurburgring. Nuremburg is 400km away from Nurburgring

whippet

Trace Hissing Warning wrote: »

Nurburgring. Nuremburg is 400km away from Nurburgring

That’s autocorrect for you !!

Popeleo

Trace Hissing Warning wrote: »

Nurburgring. Nuremburg is 400km away from Nurburgring

<WW2motorsportjoke>

And Nuremburg is more famous for rallying!

</WW2motorsportjoke>

whippet

unkel wrote: »

Just as well. The widowmaker might have finished you off

To be fair it handled well (at low speeds) .. but I don’t know if id have been brave enough to push it even if it was an option

ht9zni1gs28crp

whippet wrote: »

To be fair it handled well (at low speeds) .. but I don’t know if id have been brave enough to push it even if it was an option

spot on there, I wouldnt push anyone else's car to the limit on the Ring, regardless of what it was....only my own.

Wibbs

Having relatives into classics and mates in the car biz it's been my dumb luck to have had a go in a fair few cars down the years. One thing that's easy to miss with older cars is condition of the example you drive. Is it standard, has it been "upgraded", is it tired? All can make a big difference to the experience. Another factor is how cars have in the majority of cases simply gotten better dynamically down the years and "old cars" can naturally be a disappointment for some expecting more modern standards.

EG I've driven a few E-Types down the years and each one was quite different to the other. One a Series 1.5, a coupe was a bloody fantastic yoke to go, turn and stop, especially for its vintage. No disappointment there. Another, a Series 2 roadster looked in much better nick, car show ready, but was a boat by comparison and braking required appeals to various deities.

Never really got the 911 thing, but fully understand why others do. I run outa talent at little more than walking pace and a peddle car would tax me, which doesn't help and I always had the feeling the older air cooled 911's were trying to kill me. I was lucky enough to have a go in a 70's RS and that felt particularly murderous. :eek: A Porsche that stands out for me was a 928. TBH I never liked the styling, but that was a fantastic car to drive.

Ferraris look great(mostly), seating position in the old ones not so great. I do remember not being disappointed by a 246 Dino. Nicer to drive IMHO than the 308. The 80's ones like the Testarossa I thought remarkably tacky on the inside, and as bijapos said back in '11 you could barely see outa the thing. Though to be fair I didn't drive it hard or far. Sounded good though. One 80's model I did like - and this may raise eyebrows - was a Mondial of all things. Yeah. It seemed to encourage me rather than point out my lack of talent.

One car that felt much better than expected was a 60's Lotus Elan. Fantastic yoke to take up back roads and a car that would still worry more modern cars in that environment.

Wibbs

That RS I drove - bear with me with this mad imagining - felt like that the engine mounts were on rollers in a track running from front to back. On braking it felt like the engine was suddenly rolling forward on said track and halfway through a bend felt like it suddenly rolled backward. And I was not going quickly at all. This was at normal perfectly legal speeds on a public road. I know my meagre limits and even when I drove it about ten years ago it was a bloody valuable car. And most of all not mine.

The only other car I've driven with a similar feeling was a Renault 5 Turbo 2, the rear engined pocket rocket. A car that is as broad as it's long. And French, so would murder you with a stylish flourish and a Gallic shrug. Great craic though.

unkel

Wibbs wrote: »

One car that felt much better than expected was a 60's Lotus Elan. Fantastic yoke to take up back roads and a car that would still worry more modern cars in that environment.

If you haven't seen it before, you are going to enjoy this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OgDn0NYOcg

Dades

unkel wrote: »

If you haven't seen it before, you are going to enjoy this

That is manic.

That Lotus is like a wasp to the Beemer that just won't go away. Better straight line speed just not enough in the end to keep the Lotus behind (spoiler ).

Wibbs

I was thinking more like a Terrier yapping at the paws of an Alsatian. Getoutameway!!!

But if you ever get the chance to pedal one, take it with both hands. A well sorted example is kinda like an MX5 with more "soul". Real go kart stuff. IIRC 0-60 was around the 6-7 seconds so not supercar stuff, but sparky enough.

steinbock123

Anyone know what track that was ??

unkel

Rijeka (Croatia)

I can never re-find that clip until I remember that. Google Rijeka and Elan and it comes right up top

Just 130BHP in the Elan too (from memory), but I can imagine it is extremely light

RobAMerc

what a cracking clip.

just goes to show where handling vs grip is so important on a track like that.

If it was BTCC he'd have had lots of chances to "help the BMW round the corners" yet they never seemed to touch, superb!

Wibbs

unkel wrote: »

Just 130BHP in the Elan too (from memory), but I can imagine it is extremely light

In race trim with webers and a lairy on/off cam that at idle runs like a three legged horse probably more like 160 odd I'd imagine? Weight wise IIRC in standard road going roadster trim they were around 700 kilos, so that one could shave some off that. Good oul Colin Chapman; simplify and add lightness. Something that is almost impossible to do these days for manufacturers, what with safety and the comfort and toys that people have naturally come to expect. Back when the Elan was around your average family car wouldn't have been much quieter.

tedpan

My dad loved cars when he was younger and I lived in England until I was 13 which allowed me to be a passenger and I got to visit the nec motor show every year.

Here's a list of some of the cars my dad owned while I grew up, all purchased new.

Lotus Elite
Renault 5 GT turbo
Lotus esprit turbo
Porsche 928 S4 - my favourite
BMW 735i

He used to drive so fast and it gave me my passion for cars.

My dream car is an F355, I drove one years ago and the sound and handling was breathtaking. I'd love to own one..

Anyway, now I'm in my mid 30s I drive a Nissan leaf and dad has a Mazda cx5, how times change..

unkel

tedpan wrote: »

Porsche 928 S4 - my favourite

Have you a son? Early 928 S4 is vintage €56 motor tax since last year. Only sayin'

tedpan

unkel wrote:

Have you a son? Early 928 S4 is vintage €56 motor tax since last year. Only sayin'

Nope, just a house full of animals

It was an 86 in dark maroon, wish he still had it. He sold it privately in Jan 89 and ordered the 735i I still remember the V8 power, what a beast..

unkel

tedpan wrote: »

It was an 86 in dark maroon, wish he still had it. He sold it privately in Jan 89 and ordered the 735i I still remember the V8 power, what a beast..

I had an '86 S2 myself. Not the 32v of the S4 and a few less horsies, but of course that wonderful V8 engine

galwaytt

.....87 911 3.2, with the G50 'box. Great car.............unless you were stepping out of a 1 yr old Audi TT........boy how things move on.....

StereoSound

I drove a black 1995 Porsche' 911 a few years back from a guy I worked with. Nice car but I wasn't left blown away by it like I thought I would. It was not a turbo model...

I also drove an early generation 99' Porsche Boxster 2.5. I thought it was slow for what it was. Maybe the 3.2 would have blown me away. Older Boxsters can be bought for F all these days. 7k will buy you an early 97' to 00' model.

unkel

StereoSound wrote: »

I also drove an early generation 99' Porsche Boxster 2.5. I thought it was slow for what it was.

An automatic by chance? The manual is not slow for what it is. Sure it's an old skool N/A 2.5l engine with only a bit over 200BHP but keep it on song and slow is the last word I'd use

Brilliant drivers car with the RWD and mid-rear engine setup. And with the roof down and a sports exhaust that roaring horizontally opposing 6 pot engine just behind your back it feels even quicker than it already is

But you're right, the S 3.2 is a lot faster and has much better hardware. It is almost a 996 clone made smaller. Tax is €1808 vs €1080 though. That's a big difference for a weekend car doing just a few thousand km a year...

Andrewf20

Maybe not so much a hero car but a car that I aspired to buying when my E36 falls for the final time (which it nearly did recently with mega NCT fails, restoration work and more in progress) - the E92 325i. It turned out a real disappointment - it just felt heavy, numb and not particularly fast. On paper its quicker than my 323i but didnt feel it. Maybe id get used to it, but it lacked alot of feedback that i am used to in the E36.

I drove an E92 330i and that also felt heavy and numb but that 3.0L N52 engine. Wow. I wonder if the E46 M3 is similar in feel as on paper its quite heavy also.

Im really going to miss the n/a 6 cylinders in the future.

unkel

Andrewf20 wrote: »

Maybe not so much a hero car but a car that I aspired to buying when my E36 falls for the final time (which it nearly did recently with mega NCT fails, restoration work and more in progress) - the E92 325i. It turned out a real disappointment - it just felt heavy, numb and not particularly fast. On paper its quicker than my 323i but didnt feel it. Maybe id get used to it, but it lacked alot of feedback that i am used to in the E36.

Why the hell go from E36 to E92?

It seems you like BMW cars. Why on earth do you want to drive a E36 or a E92 when you can own and drive the most brilliant affordable BMW of recent times, the E46?

Andrewf20

unkel wrote: »

Why the hell go from E36 to E92?

It seems you like BMW cars. Why on earth do you want to drive a E36 or a E92 when you can own and drive the most brilliant affordable BMW of recent times, the E46?

Because the e46 is getting on a bit and it's hard to find decent examples. For example, there were only 2 330ci's (e46) for sale when I checked a few weeks back but I couldn't get through to either seller. Also there's the issue with insurance on cars >15 years old that seems to plague alot of people. My brother also found the e46 disappointing to drive and rated the e36 a much better car. He has an e30. Another petrol head (ex touring car driver) I know said similar.

The e92 is the last of the non turbo 6 cylinders so if I got one I'd plan to keep it as long as possible.

unkel

I see where you are coming from, particularly in relation to insurance. I'm lucky myself that I have an old classic car policy that still lets me add 15 year old cars as classics for next to nothing

Never mind your brother, did you drive an E46 coupe (any really, even a 318ci) in anger yourself? Brilliant cars they all are. E92 is lame in comparison.

Andrewf20

unkel wrote: »

I see where you are coming from, particularly in relation to insurance. I'm lucky myself that I have an old classic car policy that still lets me add 15 year old cars as classics for next to nothing

Never mind your brother, did you drive an E46 coupe (any really, even a 318ci) in anger yourself? Brilliant cars they all are. E92 is lame in comparison.

I havent driven any but looking at the weight figures on parkers.co.uk, the e46 is heavier than the e92 equivalents. For example, the e46 325Ci comes in at 1485kg vs 1420kg for the e92 325i and weight in my experience seems to be a big factor in car handling.

If I get a chance to drive one, ill definitely take it.