Michael Lowry and a fair trial

Finnbar01

With all that is going this week in relation to the Moriarty Tribunal, the media exposure, public criticism etc.. had can Michael Lowry now get a fair trial if the DPP decides to go ahead and press charges?

BTW. I AM NOT A MICHAEL LOWRY FAN!

Just saying,that's all.

later12

While people might reasonably hope that CAB takes action against Lowry, since they require a lower burden of probability than do the Criminal Courts, I think that is as far as it goes.

The idea that a criminal conviction would ever be pursued against Lowry, or that it might succeed is at this stage totally outlandish. It was largely due to such circumstances (including the commission on child abuse, for example) that the tribunals were established in the first place.

Rabble Rabble

So you are saying the tribunals were formed because nobody gets arrested for this sruff. However there is a higher burden of proof in courts than in the tribunal, which is an investigative body.

If he cant be tried because of the tribunal then the tribunal is an even greater waste of time than it appears anyway.

Mr.Micro

If the CAB look into Lousy's financial affairs they may discover other dealings that will lead them off somewhere else? His latest venture I do believe is to back a casino, Vegas style with all the bad things that go with it.

Sunnyisland

A criminal conviction might be farfetched but it would be a good day for Ireland if Cab got to take away some of his corubtble earnings and might just might bring some new higher standards & business dealings in to our country .

later12

Rabble Rabble wrote: »

So you are saying the tribunals were formed because nobody gets arrested for this sruff. However there is a higher burden of proof in courts than in the tribunal, which is an investigative body.

In criminal courts yes, that's why the tribunals were established; they are based on opinion and not fact. It is also the reason why CAB are allowed to work with a lower burden of evidence against a criminal or, importantly, a suspected criminal - one doesn't require a criminal conviction to be asset stripped by CAB. I'm not sure if Lowry actually voted on that legislation, initiated as it was by a FG justice minister, but it would be quite a cruel irony for him if he did.

If he cant be tried because of the tribunal then the tribunal is an even greater waste of time than it appears anyway.

But this was known 14 years ago, I don't know why people are suddenly surprised. Why did everybody think the tribunal was established instead of a criminal file by the fraud squad to begin with?

Rabble Rabble

later10 wrote: »

In criminal courts yes, that's why the tribunals were established; they are based on opinion and not fact. It is also the reason why CAB are allowed to work with a lower burden of evidence against a criminal or, importantly, a suspected criminal - one doesn't require a criminal conviction to be asset stripped by CAB. I'm not sure if Lowry actually voted on that legislation, initiated as it was by a FG justice minister, but it would be quite a cruel irony for him if he did.

But this was known 14 years ago, I don't know why people are suddenly surprised. Why did everybody think the tribunal was established instead of a criminal file by the fraud squad to begin with?

I assumed it was an investigation into parliamentarians, and that normal law may have not applied to sitting TD's.

The Waltzing Consumer

feelingstressed wrote: »

Well the FG/LAb dominated county council backed it too so better investigate them also

Just a quick check on elections Ireland to see if this is true. 2009 council results:

North Tipp has four councils (North Tipp because that is where casino to be located)
Thurles:
3 Independents
1 FF
1 Lab

Templemore:
2 FF
2 FG
1 Ind

Newport:
2 FF
1 Lab
1 FG
1 Ind

Nenagh:
2 Ind
1 FG
1 Lab
1 SF
1 FF

So where is this Lab/FG dominated council you speak of?
If you say, before that, well I checked 2004 too for the four councils. The results show a clear clear dominance of FF. Here are the totals:

FF 10
FG 5
Lab 2
Ind 4

So not to call your post lies, but where in the world are you basing your claim on that Lab/FG controlled the councils in North Tipp?

mikemac

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

So not to call your post lies, but where in the world are you basing your claim on that Lab/FG controlled the councils in North Tipp?

No intention to lie but I'm clearly wrong
The only councils I've ever dealt with were this one and Dublin City, must have mixed them up.

I stand corrected

ArmaniJeanss

Mr.Micro wrote: »

His latest venture I do believe is to back a casino, Vegas style with all the bad things that go with it.

I believe he is also backing all the very good things that go with it.

(Also it's not a Vegas-style casino, its a casino. One relatively tiny hotel/casino on its own cannot be 'Vegas style'. In fairness this is something you've probably picked up from lazy journalism.)