Dublin Bus Student Rambler Ticket & No Student Travel I.D.

Killer Pigeon

Hey there,

I was on the 46A going to UCD and an instector came on the bus. I was using a 5-day Student Rambler Card but my Student Travel I.D. was out of date by a month or so. I showed my UCD student card instead to prove that I was a student. The inspector then took the Rambler Ticket off me and my old Student Travel I.D. and gave me a Travel 90 card. He gave me a small slip that I had to present to the Dublin Bus Office on O'Connell St. - He wrote "No Student Travel I.D." on it. I asked him how much the fine was and he said I didn't have pay a fine because they knew I was a student but if I didn't present the slip and explain the situation to the Dublin Bus HQ within 21 day then I would be given a summons.

There was a pile of other students around me who got caught too.

The thing is, I not entirely sure if he said I had to pay the fine or not. Can anyone clarify if I have to pay the fine or not? Or is that just up to the individual inspectors?

Thanks in advance.

foggy_lad

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Hey there,

I was on the 46A going to UCD and an instector came on the bus. I was using a 5-day Student Rambler Card but my Student Travel I.D. was out of date by a month or so. I showed my UCD student card instead to prove that I was a student. The inspector then took the Rambler Ticket off me and my old Student Travel I.D. and gave me a Travel 90 card. He gave me a small slip that I had to present to the Dublin Bus Office on O'Connell St. - He wrote "No Student Travel I.D." on it. I asked him how much the fine was and he said I didn't have pay a fine because they knew I was a student but if I didn't present the slip and explain the situation to the Dublin Bus HQ within 21 day then I would be given a summons.

There was a pile of other students around me who got caught too.

The thing is, I not entirely sure if he said I had to pay the fine or not. Can anyone clarify if I have to pay the fine or not? Or is that just up to the individual inspectors?

Thanks in advance.

Dublin Bus inspectors have been known to take the ticket off you and tell you to present a valid student ID at HQ and your (usually)weekly or monthly ticket will be returned to you, In this case it may be that you just have to go and have someone in HQ verify by ringing your college that you are in fact a student or they may allow you have your ticket back as soon as you have a valid student ID.

If i were you i would get a valid student id today if you wish to avail of student fares, student id is available at many places and in many college student union offices.

AlekSmart

foggy_lad wrote: »

If i were you i would get a valid student id today if you wish to avail of student fares, student id is available at many places and in many college student union offices.

I dunno about you Foggy,but Holy Cow,not another Student ID related thread....

It`s not the individuals I`m really concerned about,they apparently will end up doing Campbells Soup promotions,but what is this saying about our 3rd Level Institutions and the supposed high calibre of their output....?

Killer Pigeon

AlekSmart wrote: »

I dunno about you Foggy,but Holy Cow,not another Student ID related thread....

It`s not the individuals I`m really concerned about,they apparently will end up doing Campbells Soup promotions,but what is this saying about our 3rd Level Institutions and the supposed high calibre of their output....?

Erm, are you a troll?

If this is a reoccuring topic (i.e., people forgetting Student Travel I.D.'s or just general Student Travel I.D. information) then perhaps one of the mods on this forum should put up a Student Travel I.D. information stickie with all this sort of info on it (or merge all related threads and post it as a stickie).

I couldn't find specific information about this on the Dublin Bus website, so that's why I came here.

noelfirl

I didn't think that there were student travel cards issued that were valid until end of any month other then December, hence the nature of the card colour scheme and it changing at the beginning of every year.

BenShermin

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Erm, are you a troll?

You don't come to C&T often do you:p?

AlekSmart

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Erm, are you a troll?

The card expired a month ago (February) and besides it's easy to forget such trivial things, a little absent minded and the like.

If this is a reoccuring topic (i.e., people forgetting Student Travel I.D.'s or just general Student Travel I.D. information) then perhaps one of the mods on this forum should put up a Student Travel I.D. information stickie with all this sort of info on it (or merge all related threads and post it as a stickie).

I couldn't find specific information about this on the Dublin Bus website, so that's why I came here.

My apologies Killer Pigeon if I appear trollist,it`s not intentional.

Mind you I would balk at describing a €50 Standard Fare and the attendant possibility of legal procedures and outcomes as "trivial",but everybody`s different I suppose ?

However,as you remark,there is indeed a substantial body of Student ID related posts running through several threads on C&T.

One such thread .....

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056185129

As you can appreciate from the comments there and elsewhere there may well be benefit in your Sticky suggestion,as quite a number of the Student Body do appear to have difficulty accessing and assimilating the relevant information.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Fares--Tickets/Student-Travel/

http://www.studenttravelcard.ie/

The procedure adopted in your particular case could be described as "conciliatory" as it gives you time to put your affairs in order.

The appropriate DB Standard Fare procedure is here....

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Fares--Tickets/Standard-Fare/

From that it`s interesting to note a somewhat clearer statement of intent than heretofore...

You do not have the required Photo Identity Card with a travel pass from the Department of Social and Family Affairs

and the Student Specific bit....

You do not have a valid, in-date Student Travelcard I.D. with your Student Travelwide prepaid ticket

meanmachine3

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Erm, are you a troll?

all i could do was laugh when i saw this. F.Y.I. alek contributes alot in C&T, in fact when it comes to dublin bus drivers he would have the most posts and input in this forumn and his posts are highly regarded.

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

I couldn't find specific information about this on the Dublin Bus website, so that's why I came here.

strange, it took me just a couple of seconds to find what your looking for.
http://www.dublinbus.ie/Fares--Tickets/Tickets/Student-Tickets/
heres another.
http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Fares--Tickets/Tickets/Identification-card-information/.
just in case you get lost in the dublin bus website. :rolleyes:
they're all under fares and tickets, you really cant miss it.

Killer Pigeon

meanmachine3 wrote: »

all i could do was laugh when i saw this. F.Y.I. alek contributes alot in C&T, in fact when it comes to dublin bus drivers he would have the most posts and input in this forumn and his posts are highly regarded.
strange, it took me just a couple of seconds to find what your looking for.
http://www.dublinbus.ie/Fares--Tickets/Tickets/Student-Tickets/
heres another.
http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Fares--Tickets/Tickets/Identification-card-information/.
just in case you get lost in the dublin bus website. :rolleyes:
they're all under fares and tickets, you really cant miss it.

Those links you provide meanmachine3 are not term & conditions, they do not give information about fines, etc..

With regard to AlekSmart's first post on this thread he went blatantly off-topic and did in no way address my question, example;

It`s not the individuals I`m really concerned about,they apparently will end up doing Campbells Soup promotions,but what is this saying about our 3rd Level Institutions and the supposed high calibre of their output....?

Thus why I called him a troll.

Anyway, his second post was quite informative and indeed I thank him for that.

Killer Pigeon

AlekSmart wrote: »

My apologies Killer Pigeon if I appear trollist,it`s not intentional.

Mind you I would balk at describing a €50 Standard Fare and the attendant possibility of legal procedures and outcomes as "trivial",but everybody`s different I suppose ?

However,as you remark,there is indeed a substantial body of Student ID related posts running through several threads on C&T.

One such thread .....

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056185129

As you can appreciate from the comments there and elsewhere there may well be benefit in your Sticky suggestion,as quite a number of the Student Body do appear to have difficulty accessing and assimilating the relevant information.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Fares--Tickets/Student-Travel/

http://www.studenttravelcard.ie/

The procedure adopted in your particular case could be described as "conciliatory" as it gives you time to put your affairs in order.

The appropriate DB Standard Fare procedure is here....

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Fares--Tickets/Standard-Fare/

From that it`s interesting to note a somewhat clearer statement of intent than heretofore...




and the Student Specific bit....

So to confirm, was I mistaken when the inspector said that I didn't have to pay a €50 fine ... even though he gave me a white slip that said "No Student Travel I.D." on it?

Am I right in saying that the following are correct;

(a) Buy new Student Travel I.D. ----> Go to Dublin Bus HQ with the New I.D. ----> They don't fine me €50 & give me my Rambler Ticket back.

Alternative,

(b) Don't buy new Student I.D. ---> Go to Dublin Bus HQ with no Travel I.D. ----> They fine me €50 regardless if I show them my College I.D. to prove I'm a student.

foggy_lad

What I posted above is from experience of other misguided students what will most likely happen, go to hq and they will inspect your newly acquired valid Id and should give you your ticket back even though the inspector could just as easily have fined you and taken the ticket off you for good as you were not using it in accordance with their rules.

schemingbohemia

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Am I right in saying that the following are correct;

(a) Buy new Student Travel I.D. ----> Go to Dublin Bus HQ with the New I.D. ----> They don't fine me €50 & give me my Rambler Ticket back.

Yes.

Killer Pigeon

foggy_lad wrote: »

What I posted above is from experience of other misguided students what will most likely happen, go to hq and they will inspect your newly acquired valid Id and should give you your ticket back even though the inspector could just as easily have fined you and taken the ticket off you for good as you were not using it in accordance with their rules.

Right so I went to HQ this afternoon after getting a new Student Travel I.D. I showed it to customer service and explained the situation. The woman at the desk said that if I come back at 2pm tomorrow I could get my Rambler Ticket back - I told her that I only had 1 day left on it so there was no need, I just wanted the fine written off. She said that was OK so she made a photocopy of the new I.D. and attached it to the white slip the inspector gave me. I didn't have to pay the fine. She said that they'll match it up tomorrow (presumably the inspector will hand in the confiscated ticket to HQ before 2pm tomorrow). It all looked like it was normal procedure.

I should have asked her for a receipt (i.e., that she had received the information) so, being the paranoid dunce that I am, I'm going to be going into HQ tomorrow after 2pm just to make sure everything was matched up OK.

Killer Pigeon

foggy_lad wrote: »

What I posted above is from experience of other misguided students what will most likely happen, go to hq and they will inspect your newly acquired valid Id and should give you your ticket back even though the inspector could just as easily have fined you and taken the ticket off you for good as you were not using it in accordance with their rules.

I just want to ask one more question.

People are using the term "Standard Fare", to denote the €50 to be paid for not having the Travelcard. "Fine" seems to be what you have to pay if you don't produce the Travelcard and €50 standard fare after 21 day (this is just from reading previous threads).

I know this may sound stupid but in light of what I described when I was in the HQ today should I have also have paid the "Standard Fare" (€50). The inspector and the person at the customer service desk said I didn't have to pay a fine, however, do I have to pay a "standard fare"?

Again this question may sound incredibly stupid but I was of the impression that the €50 standard fare and the fine were one in the same. This is just a question about wording.

Killer Pigeon

Clarification on this would be much much much appreciated. Thanks.

markpb

Companies can't fine people, only a judge can issue a fine. To get around this legal problem, DB have a standard fare of €50 for all journeys. However, if you pay cash in advance or have a prepaid ticket, they give you a discount on the fare from €50 to €1.65.

meanmachine3

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

I just want to ask one more question.

People are using the term "Standard Fare", to denote the €50 to be paid for not having the Travelcard. "Fine" seems to be what you have to pay if you don't produce the Travelcard and €50 standard fare after 21 day

killer i know your thread is about not having a vaild student i.d. but i must also clarify the standard fare for any cash paying commuters that may be reading this thread as well. the standard fare applies to those that dont have a vaild ticket either. if you pay €1.20 and go more than 3 stages and an inspector gets on your bus they may well also issue a standard fare. Also worth noting here. most commuters think that all children 3 and under travel free once they're with a fare paying adult. this is not the case. only 1 child per fare paying adult travels free. any others and their fare must be paid for. that is if someone gets on with a set of twins under 3 technically one of them must be paid, whilst i have never seen this enforced by inspectors the rule is there and i have known drivers to enforce the one child/ one fare paying adult rule.
again where the free child rules applies it's one child under 3 and not 3 and under.

Dodge

Luckily, most 29 month old kids travel on buses with their passports, so its a rarely an issue

AlekSmart

Killer Pigeon:
I just want to ask one more question.

People are using the term "Standard Fare", to denote the €50 to be paid for not having the Travelcard. "Fine" seems to be what you have to pay if you don't produce the Travelcard and €50 standard fare after 21 day

Yo Killer Pigeon,again apologies for the Trollist aura from my initial response.

It was probably sparked by this line from your initial post...

There was a pile of other students around me who got caught too.

Just to expand on the situation re the standard fare,as markpb sez only a court can issue a fine.

However in Dublin Bus`s case the gen is all here....

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/About-Us/Dublin-Bus-Bye-Laws/Fares/

Specifically...

(a) Subject to paragraph (b) of this Bye-Law, in addition to the obligations contained in the Bye-Laws, each passenger upon boarding any vehicle shall become liable to pay a standard fare.
(b) Any passenger who is in possession of a valid ticket or who obtains a valid ticket shall be deemed to have complied with paragraph (a) of his Bye-Law.
(c) Any person found without a valid ticket on a vehicle by an authorised person shall pay the standard fare immediately upon the request of the authorised person or within the period of 21 days from the time the request is made and such fare may be recovered by the Company as a simple contract debt in any court of competent jurisdiction.

In Killer Pigeon`s case I would suggest the Standard Fare has been waived subsequent to KP producing the relevant ID.

What continues to interest me is what proportion of the "pile of other students" who "got caught" were sensible enough to get valid as opposed to run the risk of heading down the Court Route ?

Killer Pigeon

AlekSmart wrote: »

What continues to interest me is what proportion of the "pile of other students" who "got caught" were sensible enough to get valid as opposed to run the risk of heading down the Court Route ?

Well from casual eavesdropping, it seems that at least one person had some sort of card that was only valid for under 18's, others had "forgotten" to bring their Student Travelcards with them.

Some didn't even know what the Student Travelcard was, probably thinking that the validity of the Student Rambler Ticket was more or less the same as Standard Rambler Tickets, i.e., that you didn't need identification. I'm assuming that these were 1st year students from other parts of the country who weren't attuned to procedure on public transport in Dublin (DART, Luas, DB) where the Student Travelcard is mostly in operation.

In this case, it would seem that the students didn't even know that they were running a risk simply because of their lack of knowledge of the Student Travelcard. This is why I would suggest that a sticky be put up on this forum to inform people about the Student Travelcard or possibly similar stickies be put up relating to student transport on college forums on boards.ie.

Being from Dublin, however, I had no real excuse as to why I didn't have an updated Student Travelcard, other than the fact that it totally slipped my mind to get an updated one. Luckily it turned out I didn't have to pay the standard fare and I was liable to get my Student Rambler Ticket returned to me as I had obtained the relevant identification, proving that I was indeed a student.

foggy_lad

We were given information about the student travel card as part of our career guidance in 6th year way back when civics was on the curriculem and students were a lot more in touch with the world around them, before iPods or mobile phones or xboxes and play stations melted teenage minds into sh1t:D:D:D

Killer Pigeon

foggy_lad wrote: »

We were given information about the student travel card as part of our career guidance in 6th year way back when civics was on the curriculem and students were a lot more in touch with the world around them, before iPods or mobile phones or xboxes and play stations melted teenage minds into sh1t:D:D

You forgot to mention "Interwebs" although I don't know if that would add to the irony.

stop

foggy_lad wrote: »

We were given information about the student travel card as part of our career guidance in 6th year way back when civics was on the curriculem and students were a lot more in touch with the world around them, before iPods or mobile phones or xboxes and play stations melted teenage minds into sh1t:D:D:D

The Student Travel Card, in it's current form, was introduced in 2003 iirc. Long after the wonders of technology you mentioned became a part of life for young folk.

As KP indicated, unless someone is a regular user of IE or DB, they would not know about this card.
That said, all UCD (and I'd imagine other third level) students would be exposed to it at some stage early on in their first year, either through posters, ads & advice in freshers diary and the fact that one of the banks usually offers a free travel card for first years when an account is opened.

And as the old line goes it is your responsibility to ensure you have the correct ticket, not the shop keepers, not mammys, not the universitys.

foggy_lad

stop wrote: »

The Student Travel Card, in it's current form, was introduced in 2003 iirc. Long after the wonders of technology you mentioned became a part of life for young folk.

As KP indicated, unless someone is a regular user of IE or DB, they would not know about this card.
That said, all UCD (and I'd imagine other third level) students would be exposed to it at some stage early on in their first year, either through posters, ads & advice in freshers diary and the fact that one of the banks usually offers a free travel card for first years when an account is opened.

And as the old line goes it is your responsibility to ensure you have the correct ticket, not the shop keepers, not mammys, not the universitys.

Before this there was a student card which you had to buy a "stamp" for to allow reduced fares on cie services

stop

foggy_lad wrote: »

Before this there was a student card which you had to buy a "stamp" for to allow reduced fares on cie services

Exactly, the USIT card. It was replaced in Ireland aruond 2003 with the Student Travel Card which is not required for BÉ, but is required for IÉ and DB.