Bachelor of Science in Sustainable Electrical + Control Technology

noelo

Hi all just thought id bring this up seen as my son told me about it. Why is it that the college superiors are telling student not to inform or not to tell the Social Wellfare that there getting the students to come in full-time...............:eek: I welcome all to cast there opinion but if you know sweet about it please keep the zipper zipped. many thanks.

brendanL

noelo wrote: »

Hi all just thought id bring this up seen as my son told me about it. Why is it that the college superiors are telling student not to inform or not to tell the Social Wellfare that there getting the students to come in full-time...............:eek: I welcome all to cast there opinion but if you know sweet about it please keep the zipper zipped. many thanks.

Is this a question about the course or benefits?

I'm pretty sure no college official is advocating benefit fraud. There is many different types of benefit. If you are referring to the job seekers allowance.. it is fraud to be on that and in college, with some room for change, ie you may get it if your in college only 3 days a week or something like that... so maybe that's the grey area your referring too.

However, there's also the back to education benefit for mature students which, wouldn't really matter whether your full time or not so far as I know.

noelo

brendanL wrote: »

Is this a question about the course or benefits?

I'm pretty sure no college official is advocating benefit fraud. There is many different types of benefit. If you are referring to the job seekers allowance.. it is fraud to be on that and in college, with some room for change, ie you may get it if your in college only 3 days a week or something like that... so maybe that's the grey area your referring too.

However, there's also the back to education benefit for mature students which, wouldn't really matter whether your full time or not so far as I know.

I supose I am refaring to a bit of both. The coarse is part time which allows student electricians to seek employment in the mean time and still be in receipt of jobseekers allowance, but to excelerate the coarse and fit in all the module, collage superiors have students coming in full time and telling them not to inform there local office because of the fear they will no longer receive the funding for this labour activation degree coarse. Its all dodgie and unethical to keep lectures in employment, moreover the excelerated coarse is craming students brains and as a result there grades are considerably lower. Additional downpoint include student having to attend over the summer period to make up two semesters over two years. But I tell you now my son is no liar, he is on a differant coarse and his friend who is doing the coarse and in year 3 ( really year 2) told him and me. I even have lectures names.

brendanL

noelo wrote: »

I supose I am refaring to a bit of both. The coarse is part time which allows student electricians to seek employment in the mean time and still be in receipt of jobseekers allowance, but to excelerate the coarse and fit in all the module, collage superiors have students coming in full time and telling them not to inform there local office because of the fear they will no longer receive the funding for this labour activation degree coarse. Its all dodgie and unethical to keep lectures in employment, moreover the excelerated coarse is craming students brains and as a result there grades are considerably lower. Additional downpoint include student having to attend over the summer period to make up two semesters over two years. But I tell you now my son is no liar, he is on a differant coarse and his friend who is doing the coarse and in year 3 ( really year 2) told him and me. I even have lectures names.

Fair enough, sounds pretty bad then. Not sure whether it's 'engineered to keep lecturers in employment' just maybe not planned out well enough, and they're trying to help out work load wise by spreading it out. I remember a guy on part time course telling me he had to come in extra days during the summer, so this must be happening.. a lot. If that's the case sounds like the course needs some changes done. Other then that I guess it is a bit of a problem as it is supposed to be part time, and yet as soon as there's something that needs more time or is taking longer then expected lecturers probably just stick something on when it shouldn't strictly be.

All just opinion from me, but I can see how the situation may have come around alright. It's certainly not right of lecturers to ask students to comitting fraud... but then again... students want to finish their course.. it's a bit of a 'damned if I do and damned if I don't' as far as I can see.

noelo

brendanL wrote: »

Fair enough, sounds pretty bad then. Not sure whether it's 'engineered to keep lecturers in employment' just maybe not planned out well enough, and they're trying to help out work load wise by spreading it out. I remember a guy on part time course telling me he had to come in extra days during the summer, so this must be happening.. a lot. If that's the case sounds like the course needs some changes done. Other then that I guess it is a bit of a problem as it is supposed to be part time, and yet as soon as there's something that needs more time or is taking longer then expected lecturers probably just stick something on when it shouldn't strictly be.

All just opinion from me, but I can see how the situation may have come around alright. It's certainly not right of lecturers to ask students to comitting fraud... but then again... students want to finish their course.. it's a bit of a 'damned if I do and damned if I don't' as far as I can see.

it is strange, I wonder what the social welfare would think of the whole thing.

ITB: Mairead

Hi,

Mairead here from the Marketing Department at ITB. I'd like to clarify a few things about this course

The course referred to is a part-time course. The students do 130 ECTS credits over 2 calendar years (in this case 6 terms). This started in September 2009 and included a summer block in summer 2010 and will include another summer block in 2011. The students in each term study less than 30 ECTS credits (30 credits would be considered full time). The students were aware of these arrangements when starting the course.

The students typically attend classes three days a week (currently Wednesday, Thursdays and Fridays), thus further confirmation of the part-time status of the course

The students could have been advised to say it was a not full-time course, simply because it is not a full-time course; it is a part-time course.

The delivery of this programme has been approved by the Higher Education Authority.

The thread published on Boards.ie is based on the assumption that the course is a full-time course which is incorrect.

If anybody has any other queries on this course they can mail me on info@itb.ie and I can deal with your specific request.

floorjacker

ITB: Mairead wrote: »

Hi,

Mairead here from the Marketing Department at ITB. I'd like to clarify a few things about this course

The course referred to is a part-time course. The students do 130 ECTS credits over 2 calendar years (in this case 6 terms). This started in September 2009 and included a summer block in summer 2010 and will include another summer block in 2011. The students in each term study less than 30 ECTS credits (30 credits would be considered full time). The students were aware of these arrangements when starting the course.

The students typically attend classes three days a week (currently Wednesday, Thursdays and Fridays), thus further confirmation of the part-time status of the course

The students could have been advised to say it was a not full-time course, simply because it is not a full-time course; it is a part-time course.

The delivery of this programme has been approved by the Higher Education Authority.

The thread published on Boards.ie is based on the assumption that the course is a full-time course which is incorrect.

If anybody has any other queries on this course they can mail me on info@itb.ie and I can deal with your specific request.

I personally think there is something fishy about the whole thing, How can a student be available for full time work if you at the college have them in full time,i.e three days a week. This is the criteria of the coarse under the Social Welfare Act, never mind the Higher Education Authority. The coarse was differant when it did start , it was evening time. which satisfied the Authority to get it up and running, but once the first semester was over it changed. A strat just to get coarse funded. Now its funded its all hush hush dont tell the labour( otherwise we will not have any students on the coarse ) and we ll be low on work. I would say if the new criteria was put before the Authority it would not get funded, and the Labour literally laugh at student. I wonder what would happen if an email was sent to the Authority?? food for though.

dueyfinster

floorjacker wrote: »

I personally think there is something fishy about the whole thing, How can a student be available for full time work if you at the college have them in full time,i.e three days a week. This is the criteria of the coarse under the Social Welfare Act, never mind the Higher Education Authority. The coarse was differant when it did start , it was evening time. which satisfied the Authority to get it up and running, but once the first semester was over it changed. A strat just to get coarse funded. Now its funded its all hush hush dont tell the labour( otherwise we will not have any students on the coarse ) and we ll be low on work. I would say if the new criteria was put before the Authority it would not get funded, and the Labour literally laugh at student. I wonder what would happen if an email was sent to the Authority?? food for though.

If you think it's fishy... why not report it? To be honest both of you (or one of you?) got a representative from the college to answer your query.

Students all the time moan about coarse load, and if you can't take the heat, exit stage left of the kitchen 3 days sounds part time to me, my course is full time and 4 days a week in fourth year, and one semester in second year it was 3 days.

So I'm not sure if your real complaint is that you can't work and claim allowance for attending college (ie. full-time grant) ?

brendanL

I'm pretty sure you can claim an allowance for when you are only on a part time course, as you will recieve allowance for the days you are not in the college. After reading the college reps status on it, it pretty much clears things up for me. I honestly don't think their is anything wrong going on. Feel free to report it, but lecturers aren't just teaching one class... they teach a range of full time/part time years/people, so your theory of 'keeping work up' sounds unlikely.

bn039

it seems like the people or person who put up this original post has sinister motives and is talking complete rubbish ,this reply is from a student in year 3 and not his so called da .

Irishstabber

Great Course. Tough but manageable workload this year. Student Full Time Yr 2.

KonFusion

ITB: Mairead wrote: »

Hi,

Mairead here from the Marketing Department at ITB. I'd like to clarify a few things about this course

The course referred to is a part-time course. The students do 130 ECTS credits over 2 calendar years (in this case 6 terms). This started in September 2009 and included a summer block in summer 2010 and will include another summer block in 2011. The students in each term study less than 30 ECTS credits (30 credits would be considered full time). The students were aware of these arrangements when starting the course.

The students typically attend classes three days a week (currently Wednesday, Thursdays and Fridays), thus further confirmation of the part-time status of the course

The students could have been advised to say it was a not full-time course, simply because it is not a full-time course; it is a part-time course.

The delivery of this programme has been approved by the Higher Education Authority.

The thread published on Boards.ie is based on the assumption that the course is a full-time course which is incorrect.

If anybody has any other queries on this course they can mail me on info@itb.ie and I can deal with your specific request.

There's your answer OP (floorjacker, noelo. Please note that boards.ie does not allow multiple accounts, more info here)

Welcome to the forum Mairead .

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