EU plans to ban cars from ALL cities by 2050

Jimmy Garlic

First city centres then entire cities.

Petrol and diesel-driven cars should be banned from cities across Europe by 2050 to slash dependence on oil and tackle climate change, the European Commission said today.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8411336/EU-to-ban-cars-from-cities-by-2050.html#

The sooner these EU lunatics are told to fup off the better.

Einstein

Woo...finally time to get my personal spaceship

IngazZagni

It's just another stupid idea from an EU loony. It won't happen though, it will never be accepted so I think people should relax a little about it. I'm sure we would be able to veto such a decision if it ever came to it.

Bottom line is it won't happen, not by 2050. By 2100? Well lets see where we are in 2050 first.

Einstein

Aren't we headed in the electric / hybrid engines these days anyhoo?

It's the guts of 40 years away, in fairness petrol and diesel engined cars may well be a thing of the past by then. I'll be 70 then :pac:

Guy:Incognito

No they dont. It was a proposal put forward and rejected by countires including the uk. Any country or MEP could put forward a proposal, doesnt mean the EU are planning to do it.

Jimmy Garlic

RoverJames wrote: »

It's the guts of 40 years away, in fairness petrol and diesel engined cars may well be a thing of the past by then. I'll be 70 then :pac:

2050 is the goal date, not the start date. They will try to implement it in increments from now on.

IngazZagni

The free market should and will decide. If oil prices continue to rise over the next decade then that will only encourage car companies to beef up R&D and production of hybird/electric cars. If oil stays as it is or goes down in price over the next decade then petrol cars aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

Akrasia

1. Stories about the e.u. from the telegraph = instant red flag
2. pedestrianised city centres are a good idea
3. Conventional internal combustion engines will be a thing of the past by then
4. Who likes driving in cities anyway? I's far preferable to have easily accessable parking and then mass transit within the city centre

Akrasia

IngazZagni wrote: »

The free market should and will decide.

So you're saying there should be no such thing as town planning?

I wouldn't have a huge problem with cars being banned from the city centres to be honest, when I lived in Kildare (briefly) I did an Irish Times sales course just off O'Connell Street, train from Sallins into Dublin and then the Luas. Was a joy really compared to driving.

In Cork I'm a hundred yards from a bus stop and though I generally drive the mile or so into town I should really just get the bus as it would be handier with parking etc.

Car free city centres during the day would be more people friendly.

Max Power1

IngazZagni wrote: »

The free market should and will decide. If oil prices continue to rise over the next decade then that will only encourage car companies to beef up R&D and production of hybird/electric cars. If oil stays as it is or goes down in price over the next decade then petrol cars aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

Are you having a laugh?

Oil/petrol is only going one way and thats up up up.

Its a diminishing resource, controlled by "shady" regimes, and we dont have the finances to cut the duties/levies/taxes etc.

pajo1981

I thought that it was only petrol and diesel cars that were to be banned?

Of course the fúcktard guardian couldn't resist the headline 'EU to ban cars' -give its chimp readers something to screech about.

Frankly, if we have not gone electric buy 2050 then I think there is something wrong?

challengemaster

Whoever the f*ck keeps coming up with these ideas must really hate driving. Between petrol prices, speed cameras / vans and now this crap, driving is becoming less fun by the day.

IngazZagni

Akrasia wrote: »

So you're saying there should be no such thing as town planning?

What has town planning have to do with the free market? The free market does not include ownership of property which would still be controlled by the state and thus town planning would fall under this as well.

billyboy01

So what?:D By then oil reserves will be depleted and most of us here will be dead or very old duffers!:eek:

seamus

IngazZagni wrote: »

The free market does not include ownership of property which would still be controlled by the state

Property like the national roads network and the right to decide what can and cannot use it? Yeah.

There's an obvious corollary in that restricting car use into cities requires greater investment in public transport and similar infrastructures. Which is something we should be doing anyway, ban or no.

Testament1

billyboy01 wrote: »

So what?:D By then oil reserves will be depleted and most of us here will be dead or very old duffers!:eek:

I'll only be in my 60's.....plenty life in the aul dog yet

IngazZagni

seamus wrote: »

Property like the national roads network and the right to decide what can and cannot use it? Yeah.

There's an obvious corollary in that restricting car use into cities requires greater investment in public transport and similar infrastructures. Which is something we should be doing anyway, ban or no.

Absolutely which is why I'm a supporter of Metro North and Luas BXD and other projects when funding becomes available.

When I say I support free market, I do but I don't mean, end of, no but's etc. Obviously common sense has to come into it as well where the free market may not be well suited to handle situations.

galwaytt

RoverJames wrote: »

It's the guts of 40 years away, in fairness petrol and diesel engined cars may well be a thing of the past by then. I'll be 70 then :pac:

No they won't. According to a TV programme I watched last night, there's enough oil under Canada to run the entire World for the next 150 years.

Wait 'til they find what's under ............Inis Mór

Absurdum

Telegraph = bollox tbh

dahamsta

RoverJames wrote: »

I wouldn't have a huge problem with cars being banned from the city centres to be honest, when I lived in Kildare (briefly) I did an Irish Times sales course just off O'Connell Street, train from Sallins into Dublin and then the Luas. Was a joy really compared to driving.

In Cork I'm a hundred yards from a bus stop and though I generally drive the mile or so into town I should really just get the bus as it would be handier with parking etc.

Car free city centres during the day would be more people friendly.

And boring. Out of curiousity, why post in the Motoring forum if you prefer public transport?

monument

Let's look at the actual proposal:

By 2050, key goals will include:

• No more conventionally-fuelled cars in cities...

The Telegraph tend to distort and hype up EU articles more than the Daily Mail.

JBnaglfar

monument wrote: »

Let's look at the actual proposal:



The Telegraph tend to distort and hype up EU articles more than the Daily Mail.

To be fair, the quote in the original post said "Petrol and diesel-driven cars", which I would understand conventionally-fuelled cars to mean.

Edit: But actually yeah, the thread's name may be a bit more sensationalist (if that is where your problem is).

mondeo

I'll be too old to drive by then. Although to express myself I will stand outside their offices with my bag of pigeon food / walking frame and give a nice V sign with a big smile on my face. Thats all I could do to stand up for the younger generation at that point in life;)

amacachi

It's 40 years away, I'd be disappointed in civilisation if we hadn't advanced from petrol and diesel-fuelled cars by then.

monument

JBnaglfar wrote: »

To be fair, the quote in the original post said "Petrol and diesel-driven cars", which I would understand conventionally-fuelled cars to mean.

Edit: But actually yeah, the thread's name may be a bit more sensationalist (if that is where your problem is).

The headline on this thread, and the bulk of the linked to Telegraph article -- the quote in the opening post is not from the Telegraph.

JBnaglfar

monument wrote: »

The headline on this thread, and the bulk of the linked to Telegraph article -- the quote in the opening post is not from the Telegraph.

Apologies, just looked at the linked article in the OP (I had assumed the quote was from the article). It does briefly mention conventionally-fuelled cars but is mostly drivel.

coolbeans

dahamsta wrote: »

And boring. Out of curiousity, why post in the Motoring forum if you prefer public transport?

You don't have to love driving in the city to love cars and driving. I hate city motoring. I find it slow, stressful and inconvenient when compared to cycling. Most people are also awful drivers and the city is just a lot of awful drivers concentrated in one place.

I for one would like to see the day when the transport and planning systems come into place so as to preclude the need to drive into the city at all.

Delirium

According to this Article it's a story pulled out of the air.

It refers to the Daily Mail in the link, but it's the same "story" as referred to in the OP.

Minority Thought has already covered the Daily Express story that claimed the EU was trying to ban all cars from cities – a story that turned out – unsurprisingly – to be absolute rubbish. As stated quite clearly by the European Commission in the UK:

Contrary to comments made by a government Minister today, the European Commission is not considering an EU level ban on cars in city centres by 2050. Cities are of course best placed to decide their own transport mix.

Today’s Transport White Paper acknowledges that many European cities are struggling with the challenges of congestion, noise pollution, traffic jams and so on. Something needs to be done and phasing out conventional combustion engines is a realistic objective. The role of the European level is to help the shift to alternative forms of transport take place, and make them more attractive to users.

No one city or even country can act alone to bring on stream the technologies needed to tackle the challenges of transport in Europe’s cities. That is where action at European level can help. But a blanket ban on conventional cars is not on the table.

kermitpwee

RoverJames wrote: »

It's the guts of 40 years away, in fairness petrol and diesel engined cars may well be a thing of the past by then. I'll be 70 then :pac:

Don't you worry I'll still have a mk2 straight diesel in the shed for tipping about in:D

RoverJames

RoverJames wrote: »

I wouldn't have a huge problem with cars being banned from the city centres to be honest, when I lived in Kildare (briefly) I did an Irish Times sales course just off O'Connell Street, train from Sallins into Dublin and then the Luas. Was a joy really compared to driving.

In Cork I'm a hundred yards from a bus stop and though I generally drive the mile or so into town I should really just get the bus as it would be handier with parking etc.

Car free city centres during the day would be more people friendly.

dahamsta wrote: »

And boring. Out of curiousity, why post in the Motoring forum if you prefer public transport?

I think I mentioned that the train from Kildare and then the Luas was a joy compared to driving when my destination was O Connell Street.

I then mentioned in Cork getting the bus into town would be handier than driving due to parking etc given that I only live a mile or so outside the city centre.

Do you not think car free city centres would be more people friendly?

If you don't like my posts in the motoring forum I suggest you report them, if your complaint is valid no doubt the mods will entertain it, alternatively you can ignore them. Another option would be to STFU :pac:

savagecabbages

galwaytt wrote: »

No they won't. According to a TV programme I watched last night, there's enough oil under Canada to run the entire World for the next 150 years.

I'd be a little skeptical of that figure...

Anyway its not down to how much oil is left, its down to how much it'l cost to get it out of the ground. We'll never completely run out of oil, but the price will become so high that nobody will be able to pay for it for everyday use, so the oil companies will stop producing it.

By 2050 i'd guess that a litre of petrol or diesel will cost so much nobody will bother, so the citys may be free of conventionally powered cars anyway!

dahamsta

RoverJames wrote: »

I think I mentioned that the train from Kildare and then the Luas was a joy compared to driving when my destination was O Connell Street.

So you prefer public transport.

I then mentioned in Cork getting the bus into town would be handier than driving due to parking etc given that I only live a mile or so outside the city centre.

So you prefer public transport.

If you prefer public transport, would the Commuting forum not be a more appropriate place for your posts?

I don't mean to single you out personally, I've just never understood the bizarre number of people in a Motoring forum that don't actually seem to like driving.

And no, I don't think city centres should be car-free.

Thanks for telling me to Shut The F*ck Up by the way, it was charming and extremely clever. Well done.

savagecabbages

dahamsta wrote: »

I've just never understood the bizarre number of people in a Motoring forum that don't actually seem to like driving

If you think someones posts are unsuitable by all means report them.
The whole idea of a discussion forum is to have discussions. If everyone always agreed with everyone the whole concept of the site would die!
And telling someone they aren't welcome here and go away to another forum is very similar to STFU...


As mentioned the article cited at the start seems to be talking about banning cars from city centres, while the EU proposal is to ban petrol and diesel cars. Two very different things!

dahamsta

dahamsta wrote: »

So you prefer public transport.



So you prefer public transport.

If you prefer public transport, would the Commuting forum not be a more appropriate place for your posts?

I don't mean to single you out personally, I've just never understood the bizarre number of people in a Motoring forum that don't actually seem to like driving.

And no, I don't think city centres should be car-free.

Thanks for telling me to Shut The F*ck Up by the way, it was charming and extremely clever. Well done.

I would prefer getting the train from Kildare to Dublin and then a little Luas spin rather than driving in and out at peak times and paying for parking. That does not mean that I do not like driving. Nor does getting a bus for a mile long journey into Cork City centre from home. Can you not understand that?

Just because someone thinks city centres would be better if they were car free zones it does not mean they don't like driving. I can see nothing in my post to suggest I don't like driving.

To summarise for you as I think you are simply being awkward for whatever reason
- I like driving
- Combination of train and Luas from Kildare to O Connell Street is far handier than driving in and out at peak times.
- Bus less than 100 yards from home into Cork City centre in handier than driving as it saves on parking etc and it's only a little over a mile so the bus journey is nice and quick.
- I think car free city centres would be very positive. At the moment in Cork City Oliver Plunkett Street is pedestrianised during the day, I think this should be extended to Patrick Street for private cars.
- I drive to work and enjoy doing it, public tranport would not be an option for me to get to my current place of work.
- If I worked in the city centre, I would eiter walk or get the bus, I would still like driving.

I am not posting on the commuting forum as this topic is in the motors forum. The vast vast majority of my posts would have no place in the commuters forum and if I posted them over there they would be moved over here I would think.

pajo1981

Eh guys, when you go to to work in your car it's still called commuting, btw.

dr.fuzzenstein

But by then we'll all be driving this: