Andy Murray

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Hey i just like to get peoples opinion of him and what has gone wrong? Personally i feel its a combination of he's mental state after losing a few finals and Murray getting to big for he's boots. He was on a slow but steady rise with Brad Gilbert but he sacked him and brought in all these 'experts' ok Alex Corettja is he's main coach but i think he's getting advice from too many. What do ye think?

He seems a bit stubborn when it comes to coaches. He didn't agree with Brad Gilbert's approach so he sacked him. Probably surrounded himself with a bunch of yes men. He needs to sort out his mental game and stop playing too safe. As much as I hate Murray I reckon he'll bag a couple of grand slams in his career.

Johnmb

He moans too much, and blames everyone else for his own sh!te play. Everyone loses it a bit on court when they are playing bad, but most get angry with themselves, he give abuse to the people on his team. Until he takes responsibility for his own play he'll never improve and has likely already peaked.

the_monkey

Johnmb wrote: »

He moans too much, and blames everyone else for his own sh!te play. Everyone loses it a bit on court when they are playing bad, but most get angry with themselves, he give abuse to the people on his team. Until he takes responsibility for his own play he'll never improve and has likely already peaked.

Indeed, seemed very childish in the final against Novak, shouting at his
team - you'd think he'd be embarassed to act in such a way.

But 9 sets and none won in GS finals is certainly a mental block he has now, it will be hard to shake off.

good article here - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/9437020.stm

RosyLily

At times, it seems as if Andy is difficult to work with- grumpy or moody. Shoots a lot of dirty looks at his box when he's losing...not their fault sweetheart!!
He needs someone that won't take its whining and ****e, a strong figure. Maybe back to Gilbert or work with Darren Cahill.
He goes through more coaches than I've had hot dinners!!

And now, Murray has parted ways with Alex Corretja after Miami Masters. Possibly a bad move with clay season approaching?

Rjd2

RosyLily wrote: »

At times, it seems as if Andy is difficult to work with- grumpy or moody. Shoots a lot of dirty looks at his box when he's losing...not their fault sweetheart!!
He needs someone that won't take its whining and ****e, a strong figure. Maybe back to Gilbert or work with Darren Cahill.
He goes through more coaches than I've had hot dinners!!

And now, Murray has parted ways with Alex Corretja after Miami Masters. Possibly a bad move with clay season approaching?

I think Cahill is working with Gulbis another player who seems to be throwing his talent away.

RosyLily

^^^ Really? Hmmm, interesting! Maybe Cahill will be the man to turn Gulbis around!

califano

Robin Soderlings former coach Magnus Norman would be the perfect coach for Murray. Unfortunately he has lost interest in touring and gave it up. He completely took the chip off Soderlings shoulder and turned his bad attitude around full circle. Under Norman Soderling went on to a career high 4th ranked from 35th.
Norman told Soderling from the start that if he ever hears him complaining or showing bad atttude especially on court he will just walk away.
Murray needs someone similar to this that will say "Im coaching you not the other way around so listen to me and dance to my tune".

Raskolnikov

I think you're being harsh on Murray.

I think Murray's problem is that he has been experimenting with his service game, as it was always a huge weakness against the top ranked players. The problem is that the serve hasn't improved, but the rest of his game has fallen apart. It was only a few years ago people were talking about him as the best returner in the game.

Don't forget that this time last year, Djokovic's serve was rubbish and there he was constantly throwing theatrics and feigning injuries.

RosyLily

Maybe we are being a bit harsh on Murray. I would like him so much better if he looked like he was enjoying being out there or even cracked a smile once in a while.
Murray looking all dour on court makes me not want to watch him...lighten up dude!! You got talent all tennis fans (and some players) would kill for!!

Anywhoodle

IMO it's 100% the mental side that's letting him down.. We know he's got the game. He's proven several times that he can beat the Top 3. He just can't hold his nerve on the big occasions. There have been several GS campaigns where he looked like the 'on form' logical winner on paper. It doesn't seem to matter how much confidence he builds up in pre-GS tournaments or in the rounds leading up to a final.. It all seems to evaporate when he walks on court at crunch-time. I'd agree with the poster above who says it's a mental block. A lot of great opportunities have gone begging and IMO his present decline shouldn't come as much of a surprise.. It'll defo be interesting to see if a new coach can help him get his head together..

RosyLily

Anywhoodle wrote: »

IMO it's 100% the mental side that's letting him down.. We know he's got the game. He's proven several times that he can beat the Top 3. He just can't hold his nerve on the big occasions. There have been several GS campaigns where he looked like the 'on form' logical winner on paper. It doesn't seem to matter how much confidence he builds up in pre-GS tournaments or in the rounds leading up to a final.. It all seems to evaporate when he walks on court at crunch-time. I'd agree with the poster above who says it's a mental block. A lot of great opportunities have gone begging and IMO his present decline shouldn't come as much of a surprise.. It'll defo be interesting to see if a new coach can help him get his head together..

Bang on there. He's got game, but it seems to desert him on the big stages. At the 2008 U.S. Open Murray was red-hot in the run-up and during the tournament, then he meets Federer in the final and BAM loses 2-6, 5-7, 2-6. And with Murray losing the 3 finals without winning a set...that will probably play on his mind.
Would be interesting to see how he fairs during the clay season.

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Murray has an incredible talent,but the problem for him is that his type of game just doesnt win grand slams,he needs to be a lot more aggressive in his approach and not constantly retreat behind the baseline when things are not going his way.

He also doesnt seem to have the stomach for a fight on the court these days as results against challenger level opponents such as Donald Young and Alex Bogomolov have proved,losing both matches in straight sets and lets not forget these were ATP Masters 1000 events not some 250 tournament.

So motivation is big problem for him right now,he doesnt seem to want to put in the ground work and reckons he can just turn up for the Grand slams and try to win.

When Murray was beating the great Roger on a regular basis a couple of yrs ago Mr Federer was asked how soon he felt it would be before Andy would win his first Slam,at the time he answered that his game was too defensive and simply would not be enough over 5 sets,at the time I remember thinking along with a lot of others that this was sour grapes from Roger,but how prohpetic an analysyis was that?

I read now that there is a strong possibility that Tim Henman may be interested in coaching him,all I can say to that is oh dear please dont do that Andy.

Finally one more huge drawback for Andy is having his bloody mother in his box the whole time,THIS MUST STOP!! It his by far his biggest liability IMO.

BRITINDUBLIN

British, scottish, english whatever. he thinks he is better then what he is. he isnt likable. there is nothing ****y about his game. he has no "signature" part of his game. agassie had his service return. samprass had the serve the volley and the slam sdunk smash. rafter had serve and volley, federer has everything including some of the best trick shots ever. nadal has speed and power and best forehand in the game and will beat federers record!

nothing stood out about jeremy bates, nothing stood out about henman, and nothing stands out about murry. will he win a major???? maybe. if he takes a year out and goes changes his personality type and image!

Johnmb

BRITINDUBLIN wrote: »

nadal has speed and power and best forehand in the game and will beat federers record!

If he has a long enough career he probably will beat it, but I don't see him lasting to Federer's age, he's already suffering from injuries, and his style of play is very tough on the body. He creates most of his power with sheer brute force, whereas Federer creates most of his through timing.

nothing stood out about jeremy bates,

Bates' serve sucked in a major way. His volleys were excellent though. If he could have developed a strong serve he'd have been a top player.

nothing stood out about henman,

Henman was the best volleyer of his generation. His touch at the net was the best since Edberg. Sampras volleyed behind one of the best serves in the game which made it easy for him most of the time, but his actual volleys were just adequate, Henman on the other hand was a joy to watch when he got to the net.

and nothing stands out about murry. will he win a major???? maybe. if he takes a year out and goes changes his personality type and image!

He need a new coach who will take him into a private room and then proceed to beat the sh!t out of him. Then, when he is too scared to blame the coach on his own poor play, and he is forced to take responsibility for it himself, he has a good chance to improve his game enough to win a slam. I doubt it though, Gilbert was the only coach ever likely to do that, and he didn't, he took the abuse, and Murray got worse as a person, and not much better as a player as a result.

BRITINDUBLIN

If he has a long enough career he probably will beat it, but I don't see him lasting to Federer's age

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h ewill beat his record! he will win another 5-6 french opens. he will win another 3 wimbledons including this year. and will win the us and aussie open.


Bates' serve sucked in a major way. His volleys were excellent though. If he could have developed a strong serve he'd have been a top player.
@excellent volleys@??????did hee evr get past a 4rg round of any g slam?? eh no

Henman was the best volleyer of his generation. His touch at the net was the best since Edberg. Sampras volleyed behind one of the best serves in the game which made it easy for him most of the time, but his actual volleys were just adequate, Henman on the other hand was a joy to watch when he got to the net.

best vollyer??? nah he was a nifffty vollyer, great at the drop volly. best vollier since edberg is rafter wwithout a doubt the guy was great with appraoch shot and he had an avergae serve but managed to combine, aproach, serve and volley to make him one of the greats.

He need a new coach who will take him into a private room and then proceed to beat the sh!t out of him. Then, when he is too scared to blame the coach on his own poor play, and he is forced to take responsibility for it himself, he has a good chance to improve his game enough to win a slam. I doubt it though, Gilbert was the only coach ever likely to do that, and he didn't, he took the abuse, and Murray got worse as a person, and not much better as a player as a result.

Murry wont win **** becsue he iss a typical british number 1.

RosyLily

Johnmb wrote: »

He need a new coach who will take him into a private room and then proceed to beat the sh!t out of him. Then, when he is too scared to blame the coach on his own poor play, and he is forced to take responsibility for it himself, he has a good chance to improve his game enough to win a slam. I doubt it though, Gilbert was the only coach ever likely to do that, and he didn't, he took the abuse, and Murray got worse as a person, and not much better as a player as a result.

I'll gladly do this for free!!:D

He needs a tough coach that won't take his whining ****é! Thought Brad Gilbert would be that person, obviously not.

Maybe Murray should look into Magnus Norman, Soderling's old coach. He did wonders with Robin- changing his temperament and getting him to 2 FO finals.

brimal

The BBC coverage is sickening at times. Andy had a great match against Roddick two days ago, fair enough. But have you heard the amount of hyping up they have been doing since?


'His best match ever'
'Federer-like'
Etc.

No it's not Federer-like, it's finally Andy Murray has played a match that is Grand Slam winning standard. BBC is a complete joke. One match that is on Fed, Nadal & Djoker's exceptional level, and they are getting carried away again.

It's this sort of media pressure that will more than likely hamper Andy winning a slam.

Richard Hillman

Playing some terrific stuff today in the final

brimal wrote: »

The BBC coverage is sickening at times. Andy had a great match against Roddick two days ago, fair enough. But have you heard the amount of hyping up they have been doing since?


'His best match ever'
'Federer-like'
Etc.

No it's not Federer-like, it's finally Andy Murray has played a match that is Grand Slam winning standard. BBC is a complete joke. One match that is on Fed, Nadal & Djoker's exceptional level, and they are getting carried away again.

It's this sort of media pressure that will more than likely hamper Andy winning a slam.

British TV, made by British people, for British people and paid by for British people. Curse them for bigging up their own man :rolleyes:

Number Nine

Andy Murray today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goHE49LZA8s

Slideshowbob

The venom shown by Murray and his mother when he wins a single point against an average player show he doesn't have the capability to win a grand slam. If he gets excited by little things no wonder he can't handle the big occasions.

Da Shins Kelly

He needs an attitude make over, he appears quite petulent and doesn't seem to handle the big situations very well. Also, his mother needs to quieten down. I wouldn't have her removed or anything, some people like their parents to be there, but I think she needs to put a lid on it. She's very vocal when he's playing. I think she needs to just chill. The lad himself gets very riled up when he's playing as it is, it doesn't help to have someone else going mad in the box as well.

Pighead

Excellent week for Murray in Tokyo ends this morning with a dominant 3-6 6-3 6-0 victory over Nadal in the final. Murray was unstoppable in the final set. Think Nadal won four points in total in set three.

Shanghai next up for Murray. If he can retain the title he won last year he'll be in with a great chance of overtaking fed and finishing off the year as number 3.
I know he has plenty of critics and that he's failed to do the business in Slams thus far but I'm convinced he'll win one over the next two or three years. Aussie Open or US Open are probably his best chance.

Pighead

Murray wins again in Shanghai beating Ferrer in straight sets in the final. That means he overtakes Federer in the rankings as the new number three in the world.

Murray's last five tournaments= Won Cincinnati (V Djokovic), Lost Semi Final US Open (V Nadal), Won Bangkok (V Young), Won Tokyo (V Nadal), Won Shanghai (V Ferrer). That's 25 wins in his last 26 matches. Pretty damn impressive.