Should Col Muammar Gaddafi be allowed to walk away ??

Billy Bunting

TV images of this conflict are censored to the extreme, watching the BBC’s Panorama this evening my mind was opened.

Should Col Muammar Gaddafi be allowed to walk away ??

grizzly

He should be given a medal.

Buceph

Billy Bunting wrote: »

TV images of this conflict are censored to the extreme, watching the BBC’s Panorama this evening my mind was opened.

Should Col Muammar Gaddafi be allowed to walk away ??

I think if he was to instruct and ensure his armies lay down their arms and surrenedered to the people, then an international decision could be made not to seek the death penalty in any international criminal court. Although I don't know if that's possible. And no guarantee could be given on behalf of the Libyan people.

bigmouth writes again

walk away? muammar would sooner take his own life than be captured by anything involved with british / american efforts..

if it comes to it; lets see if he's a man of merit

Captain_Generic

bigmouth writes again wrote: »

if it comes to it; lets see if he's a man of merit

I think he kinda answered that question when he said he'd rather massacre his people than step down

bigmouth writes again

damn typos.. his own merit. a merit of which would be one of his few remaining redeeming factors

/christ. his only merit. its fast becoming.. aside from the grandiose outfits and chicks for bodyguards

Hannibal

What has he done thats worse than successive Israeli governments??
Or the dictatorships that exist in Yemen, Saudi or Bahrain??
Tony Blair greeted him fairly enthusiastically at a meeting in 2004, how can they suddenly decide he's a madman and needs to go. If armed rebels took up arms in the US, France and Britain how quickly do you think their armies would be in firing on them..
If George W Bush and Tony Blair were allowed walk away then Gaddafi should also.

Billy Bunting

bigmouth writes again wrote: »

walk away? muammar would sooner take his own life than be captured by anything involved with british / american efforts..

if it comes to it; lets see if he's a man of merit

Its well reported that he and his sons are already looking for their holes to hide in.

Should Col Muammar Gaddafi be allowed to walk away ??

Sonics2k

Dotsey wrote: »

What has he done thats worse than successive Israeli governments??
Or the dictatorships that exist in Yemen, Saudi or Bahrain??
Tony Blair greeted him fairly enthusiastically at a meeting in 2004, how can they suddenly decide he's a madman and needs to go. If armed rebels took up arms in the US, France and Britain how quickly do you think their armies would be in firing on them..
If George W Bush and Tony Blair were allowed walk away then Gaddafi should also.

He was a convenient ally to many counties for a long time, it was always known that unofficially they did not support him.

The only reason there is now an international conflict is because the people of Libya practically begged the UN and NATO to intervene. The U.S. have openly said they are not leading the war on Gaddafi, but the French are instead.

Gaddafi has been extremely unpopular for a very long time, but since the people initially attempted an peaceful protest, it has turned to nothing more than bloodshed. He will kill anyone who opposes him.

General General

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG5tUsCeXys

Just upped the value of this thread.

No need to thank me... but go on if it makes you feel better.

DubK

Dotsey wrote: »

Tony Blair greeted him fairly enthusiastically at a meeting in 2004, how can they suddenly decide he's a madman and needs to go. QUOTE]

In 2009 he made this speech to the United Nations

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvOo5LK22sg

The guy is insane and I don't care who it is someone/group of countries/etc. needs to stop him:eek:

There is no one here going to pose an argument for him to be left alone. As for the death penalty that is a different issue and if he stays there and is captured that is for the new government to decide, personally I think he may accidently get killed in a large explosion that was trying to take out a command and control centre;) Do I think that may be wrong NO!!!!!!!

bigmouth writes again

Billy Bunting wrote: »

Its well reported that he and his sons are already looking for their holes to hide in.

Should Col Muammar Gaddafi be allowed to walk away ??

they'll be carrying a pistol at least, i'd imagine

UsernameInUse

I choose not to listen to the news of the west. All crap and spin.
I choose not to listen to the news of the east. All crap and spin.

Fact is we don't even know what is going on over there. Libya might not even be a real country....who knows....WHO KNOWS!?

strobe

We should dig a big pit in the ground, in the good Kerry ground ...and drop in Gadaffi, Obama, Sadam's ghost, Tony Blairs wife, Bertie and that hero dog from the Japanese Tsunami.

We can take bets.

UsernameInUse

Here is the news of the west:

*Oppressed rebels fighting for liberty. Want democracy against a ruthless dictator. Dictator is killing his own people - mass genocide. Europe/USA = Good Guys!

Here is the news of the east:

*Europe/USA bombing Muslim country illegally. Terrorists are rising up against the government. West's TV is showing images of empty coffins/propaganda. Europe/USA = The Oppressors.

Einhard

UsernameInUse wrote: »

*Europe/USA bombing Muslim country illegally. Terrorists are rising up against the government. West's TV is showing images of empty coffins/propaganda. Europe/USA = The Oppressors.

That's not the news from the east. Unless you mean the east side of your brain. Any independent Middle Eastern news source I've seen, has applauded these actions. I guess you're not particularly independent so...

EDIT: Actually, I just read your post again, and I'm sorry I even responded because you obviously have no idea of what you're speaking. The actions being taken at the moment have UN approval, were requested by the AL, and are being actively supported by Qatar. Illegal my arse.

UsernameInUse

Einhard wrote: »

That's not the news from the east. Unless you mean the east side of your brain. Any independent Middle Eastern news source I've seen, has applauded these actions. I guess you're not particularly independent so...

You best read my post again.

Who said anything about "independent"? It's what the people are exposed to that counts. I wish people would read posts before jumping for the reply button. :rolleyes:

Einhard

UsernameInUse wrote: »

You best read my post again.

Who said anything about "independent"? It's what the people are exposed to that counts. I wish people would read posts before jumping for the reply button. :rolleyes:

It's quite possible that I misread your post. I'm a tad drunk.

I took it that you were posting the attitude of the east to the current intervention. Apologies if I'm wrong. How is it that i forget everything when drunk, except my password to boards?!

Badgermonkey

Gadaffi should be allowed dance away, live on TV.

Rumba, Cha Cha Cha or Belly dance.

Offy

Should he be allowed walk away? No, he should be allowed fly off into the sunset Who really cares? I think he should get a gold watch and a big fat pension. Maybe he could host a chat show?

UsernameInUse

Einhard wrote: »

It's quite possible that I misread your post. I'm a tad drunk.

I took it that you were posting the attitude of the east to the current intervention. Apologies if I'm wrong. How is it that i forget everything when drunk, except my password to boards?!

I never said that the actions of the Eu/Us forces where illegal (neither did I say they were not) - I am posting what is the inevitable conclusion of people on either side of the fence.

Einhard

UsernameInUse wrote: »

I never said that the actions of the Eu/Us forces where illegal (neither did I say they were not) - I am posting what is the inevitable conclusion of people on either side of the fence.

No you're not. Any mainstream Arab/Muslim sources I've read have supported the strikes. There may be some concerns, but in general, the "Arab street" thinks the intervention is a good thing.

Offy

Einhard wrote: »

No you're not. Any mainstream Arab/Muslim sources I've read have supported the strikes. There may be some concerns, but in general, the "Arab street" thinks the intervention is a good thing.

but what about the gold watch?

Einhard

Offy wrote: »

but what about the gold watch?

If he does as he's told, doesn't make any fuss, and keeps quiet, I might buy him an ice-cream. No flake though, and no gold watch!!

Offy

Einhard wrote: »

If he does as he's told, doesn't make any fuss, and keeps quiet, I might buy him an ice-cream. No flake though, and no gold watch!!

what about sprinkly bits?

UsernameInUse

Einhard wrote: »

No you're not. Any mainstream Arab/Muslim sources I've read have supported the strikes. There may be some concerns, but in general, the "Arab street" thinks the intervention is a good thing.

Well, look further and I'm sure you'll find one that doesn't. Not every single person in the world thinks the same.

My original post stands.

Einhard

UsernameInUse wrote: »

Well, look further and I'm sure you'll find one that doesn't. Not every single person in the world thinks the same.

My original post stands.

Well, of course not everyone thinks the same, but I wouldn't post the rantings of some far-right, neo-Nazi German group, and claim it was representative of the general German population.

You claimed that your imagined narrative is the "inevitable" conclusion of those on the other side of the fence, which isn't the case, unless the "other side of the fence" comprises almost entirely of Gadaffil supporters and other extremists, in which case your sample isn't very valid.

timmy00

of course he should be allowed walk away..... with a kilo of semtex tied to his ass, ready to detonate as soon as he stops

force majeure

Hard to know who here is serious and who is not I think he should be given a means off stepping down as it is he is a wounded animal who well cause the deaths off many many more before the end game, such deaths can be prevented by the greater good off him being salted away safely.

brummytom

He's no more guilty than a dozen other murderous dictators that we don't seem bothered about. He's still guilty, but it's unlucky (for him) that he's the one that's been targeted.


No doubt he'll be hanging from a rope within a few months

KeithAFC

He should be brought to Northern Ireland and then thrown onto the street on the Shankill Road. Job done.

Mrmoe

He's entitled to a long walk off a short cliff.

NeedaNewName

KeithAFC wrote: »

He should be brought to Northern Ireland and then thrown onto the street on the Shankill Road. Job done.

True. The people there are a bit like that.

Hande hoche!

Yep,ideally to Saudi Arabia.Seems to be a popular haunt with ex-dictators.

Capt'n Midnight

KeithAFC wrote: »

He should be brought to Northern Ireland and then thrown onto the street on the Shankill Road. Job done.

some parallels with a group of people trying to leave a country against the wishes of the rulers

Capt'n Midnight

UsernameInUse wrote: »

Fact is we don't even know what is going on over there. Libya might not even be a real country....who knows....WHO KNOWS!?

Just like North Dakota or Roscommon

nyarlothothep

I think he'll stand down eventually