Hats off to the Japs.

Run_to_da_hills

I was a Brit Bike die hard for over 15 years between Pre and unit construction BSA Triumph and Ariel until my ex finally twisted my arm to get my first Jap in 1999.

My first Multi was a GSXF 750. Main reason because I could not keep up with her and other members of the MCC Club that joined in at the time.

Have not looked back. Have since gone through a SRX 400 & 600, GSXR 1100R, Blade 900, and currently a Bross 400 and J series GSXR 750.

We owe these guys a lot for bring us years of hassle free bike ingenuity,

I hope that there will be a minutes silence offered at the next Bike rally for all those that lost their lives in the recent disaster.

honeybadger

its unbelivable what them people are going thru over there:(,,could only be described as biblical proportions

Bradidup

honeybadger wrote: »

its unbelivable what them people are going thru over there:(,,could only be described as biblical proportions

And what amazes me is how they will all pull together out of this like a collony of ants. They are really some people.

Did anyone see the dual carriageway repaired after the quake?

6 days after being demolished by the quake it was opened again to the public. This would have taken several weeks to do in Ireland and that would be just to access the damage

I just hope to God that this nuke thing gets nipped in the bud.

Tigger

i've only ever ridden jap and i'm old enough to rember what they have done for bikes

they are a singularly brlliant peoples and i hope they do the same fror themselves

old hippy

Ten out of ten for sentiment but minus several million for repeated use of the term "japs".

murphthesmurf

Just wait a few yrs untill they've rebuilt it. I bet the place will look awesome.

I had a 1994 ZXR 750, awesome bike, loved it.

KamiKazi

I've only ever had Jap bikes, a CB400, two SVs, and picking up another tomorrow.

haven't been brave enough to try British or Italian, or stupid enough to try Yank or German.

Run_to_da_hills

KamiKazi wrote: »

I've only ever had Jap bikes, a CB400, two SVs, and picking up another tomorrow.

haven't been brave enough to try British or Italian, or stupid enough to try Yank or German.

If you ride retro Brit you need to know your mechanics / electrics otherwise you could be stuck on the side of the road.

I could do nearly all the work on these myself, however apart from basics servicing I would leave the Gixr in to get tuned etc.

One thing I appreciated about the Japanese, if there was an issue with a bike they would have the problem sorted out within the year in time for the next years model, The Brits on the other hand would try to patch up the problem and get away with it. This is what killed the brit bike industry, EG oil leaks, shoddy electrics vibration etc.

Tigger

old hippy wrote: »

Ten out of ten for sentiment but minus several million for repeated use of the term "japs".

great first post in the forum

In Singapore and Hong Kong, the term is used freely as a contraction of the adjective "Japanese" rather than as a derogatory term. In Canada the term is also generally accepted as a contraction of the adjective "Japanese". The Australian news service Asia Pulse also uses the term. In 1970, the Japanese fashion designer Kenzo Takada opened the "Jungle Jap" boutique in Paris. In Japan itself, most Japanese are apathetic about the term, according to a 2004 study.

old hippy

Tigger wrote: »

great first post in the forum

And what about the majority of Japanese who find it offensive?

Cuddlesworth

old hippy wrote: »

And what about the majority of Japanese who find it offensive?

From the above link the offended would be the minority. Take your over the top PC bull somewhere else please.

old hippy

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

From the above link the offended would be the minority. Take your over the top PC bull somewhere else please.

I'd like to see what study this was & who and what age group it polled.

Some black people use the n word with each other; doesn't make it right, though.

Try calling a Japanese person "jap" and see what kind of response you get.

Or are you going to keep on using it, now that you've been told?

Also, quite telling the para quoted is part of a larger wiki entry which clearly states just why the term is deemed offensive. All was that left out of Tiggers quote.

Sorry to interrupt your thread, btw. Just calling it out for what it is.

Run_to_da_hills

old hippy wrote: »

And what about the majority of Japanese who find it offensive?

This thread was intended for us as bikers to show our appreciation and solidarity with a country that did so much for the biking community. I did not expect it to be hijacked by trolls.

please take your pointless arguments elsewhere.

Tigger

old hippy wrote: »

I'd like to see what study this was & who and what age group it polled.

Some black people use the n word with each other; doesn't make it right, though.

Try calling a Japanese person "jap" and see what kind of response you get.

Or are you going to keep on using it, now that you've been told?

Also, quite telling the para quoted is part of a larger wiki entry which clearly states just why the term is deemed offensive. All was that left out of Tiggers quote.

Sorry to interrupt your thread, btw. Just calling it out for what it is.

no the entire article is too long to post but the link is here

<link>

well it would be if i could be arsed
basically it says that some americians started using it as an offensive term in ww2 but they are dead now or very very old

the bit i quoted referes to non americian countries and to the japaneeseseses themselves
i use the term jap bike because i mean jap bike (the derogatory term used by some americians and people who wanna be americians is ricer or rice rocket or something with rice in it )and i cant spell for sh:t the quote i gave says that using it as a contraction which i do is valid

you came in here and posted on a thread where rtdh was getting us to reflect on how much the peoples of Japan have done for us and how great they are

us is bikers i suspect you are not a biker i suspect you are someone who thinks that infering we are racists in a thread that we are acually praising is productive.

look at what i wrote

i've only ever ridden jap and i'm old enough to rember what they have done for bikes

they are a singularly brlliant peoples and i hope they do the same for themselves

a singularly brilliant peoples

and you tyry to make out that any right minded Person of Japaneese persuation would think i was being offensive

a singularly brilliant people


just fuck off would you

old hippy

You failed to mention that the OED defines the term as offensive as well.

Now I used to know a few heads in the East Coast Easy Riders & they were a decent bunch - so not all bikers should be described as insensitive.

That would be stereotyping, wouldn't it?

As I said, great sentiment, only marred by some ignorance.

There's nothing shameful in acknowledging that.

Peace.

Tigger

You failed to mention that the OED defines the term as offensive as well.

Now I used to know a few heads in the East Coast Easy Riders & they were a decent bunch - so not all bikers should be described as insensitive.

That would be stereotyping, wouldn't it?

As I said, great sentiment, only marred by some ignorance.

There's nothing shameful in acknowledging that.

Peace.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_gb0427520#m_en_gb0427520

no it dosent it says

short for japaneese

old hippy

Tigger wrote: »

http://oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_gb0427520#m_en_gb0427520

no it dosent it says

short for japaneese

You left out what it says above, brother.

noun & adjective

informal , offensive

Tigger

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I was a Brit Bike die hard for over 15 years between Pre and unit construction BSA Triumph and Ariel until my ex finally twisted my arm to get my first Jap in 1999.

My first Multi was a GSXF 750. Main reason because I could not keep up with her and other members of the MCC Club that joined in at the time.

Have not looked back. Have since gone through a SRX 400 & 600, GSXR 1100R, Blade 900, and currently a Bross 400 and J series GSXR 750.

We owe these guys a lot for bring us years of hassle free bike ingenuity,

I hope that there will be a minutes silence offered at the next Bike rally for all those that lost their lives in the recent disaster.

honeybadger wrote: »

its unbelivable what them people are going thru over there:(,,could only be described as biblical proportions

Bradidup wrote: »

And what amazes me is how they will all pull together out of this like a collony of ants. They are really some people.

Did anyone see the dual carriageway repaired after the quake?

6 days after being demolished by the quake it was opened again to the public. This would have taken several weeks to do in Ireland and that would be just to access the damage

I just hope to God that this nuke thing gets nipped in the bud.

Tigger wrote: »

i've only ever ridden jap and i'm old enough to rember what they have done for bikes

they are a singularly brlliant peoples and i hope they do the same fror themselves

murphthesmurf wrote: »

Just wait a few yrs untill they've rebuilt it. I bet the place will look awesome.

I had a 1994 ZXR 750, awesome bike, loved it.

KamiKazi wrote: »

I've only ever had Jap bikes, a CB400, two SVs, and picking up another tomorrow.

haven't been brave enough to try British or Italian, or stupid enough to try Yank or German.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

If you ride retro Brit you need to know your mechanics / electrics otherwise you could be stuck on the side of the road.

I could do nearly all the work on these myself, however apart from basics servicing I would leave the Gixr in to get tuned etc.

One thing I appreciated about the Japanese, if there was an issue with a bike they would have the problem sorted out within the year in time for the next years model, The Brits on the other hand would try to patch up the problem and get away with it. This is what killed the brit bike industry, EG oil leaks, shoddy electrics vibration etc.

back on topic and ignoring trolls

old hippy

Not trolling. Just pointing out that the term is offensive, even if you can't bring yourself to admit or acknowledge it.

As I said, the sentiment is right. Appreciated. Terminology just a bit off kilter.

KamiKazi

old hippy wrote: »

And what about the majority of Japanese who find it offensive?

Please fvck off.

Thanks.

old hippy

Gladly; when you stop using offensive terminology.

EvilMonkey

old hippy wrote: »

You left out what it says above, brother.

noun & adjective

informal , offensive

In the context it was used it was informal not offensive.

Why are you not complaining about the use of Brit for British?

Jap bad, Brit ok?


I have only owned Jap bikes, and have always been happy with them!

old hippy

EvilMonkey wrote: »

In the context it was used it was informal not offensive.

Why are you not complaining about the use of Brit for British?

Jap bad, Brit ok?


I have only owned Jap bikes, and have always been happy with them!

Now, y'all know what you're saying, you cheeky scamps. I am not aiming for your appreciation of Japanese technology, rather the casual usage of this term.

I know what I'm talking about; having had to gently explain it to people over the years and sometimes when faced with the deliberately aggressive use of it. I know that you're not using it with aggression - I understand you have a love for the workmanship and the product.

I've stated what irks. If you think it's ok to use it; I can't stop you. Only trying to show you what it is. It comes from a nasty place and there's lots of people who use it in a very negative context.

Sin e an sceal. And again, apologies for busting in on the thread. The subject I brought up is very close to my heart.

Peace.

Cuddlesworth

old hippy wrote: »

Gladly; when you stop using offensive terminology.

I, like the majority of other people would prefer to spend my life not worrying about whither or not somebody may be offended by something I said when no offence was meant. And if they decide to take offence, I politely don't care. Its their issue, not mine.

There is of course a small minority of people who like to spend their lives getting righteously offended by things that may have offended them or somebody else when taken out of context. They scream and shout until they get their way and for the most part succeed because most other people are completely apathetic about the issue. Complaints about advertising are a perfect example of this moral ambiguity.


What is unfortunate for you, is that when this behaviour is displayed on a forum the majority who are usually left out of these arguments are included. So you are going to find that a large part of this forum don't care if you are offended by the term "jap" because it wasn't once used in a derogatory or offending manner. And hopefully but unlikely you may come away with a understanding that contrary to what the media likes to display and what you may think, we don't care that you are offended by it so the best thing for all involved is for you to "stop" be offended.

old hippy

Why should you care; it doesn't affect you in any way, you've made that abundantly clear.

You'll use and keep on using, despite the knowledge that it's wrong and offensive. In fact, you'll earn your rep as a man who speaks his mind, undeterred that he might just be crossing a line, in order to secure that rep.

Be secure in your ignorance, if you don't fathom that throwaway comments have consequences - you never will.

Have a good weekend.

Xios

old hippy wrote: »

You failed to mention that the OED defines the term as offensive as well.

Now I used to know a few heads in the East Coast Easy Riders & they were a decent bunch - so not all bikers should be described as insensitive.

That would be stereotyping, wouldn't it?

As I said, great sentiment, only marred by some ignorance.

There's nothing shameful in acknowledging that.

Peace.

I bet you could lick your own liver if you tried, is it cosy up there?

Paparazzo

Japan is the best thing that's happened to the bike and car industry. Imagine how far back bike technology would be if they never made a bike?

old hippy wrote: »

Gladly; when you stop using offensive terminology.

FFS, just report the post and get back on topic!

murphthesmurf

What started off as a good post has now made me feel suicidal.
Most people who are offended by things like that aren't the people it was referring to at all, but instead interfering do gooders.
FFS

mikemac

What's going on, this is the motorbike forum

old hippy wrote: »

Ten out of ten for sentiment but minus several million for repeated use of the term "japs".

I'm not a big poster in this forum but I can't ever remember you in here. Did you see the thread title on the main page and come in to pick a fight? Not one of your posts were on bikes

My first scooter (gotta start somewhere!) was a Peugeot and it was a unreliable piece of ****.
Let me down so many times, often cutting out at traffic lights and the drivers behind me would beep me out of it.

Got a Honda and will always buy Jap after that. Was a fantastic scooter
http://www.hondaireland.ie/Active_Scooters_SCV100_Lead_Main.HTML

Then got a Honda Varadero 125cc. Big bike, certainly not powerful but reliable and I think it's a looker!

My Dad always bought Jap cars, swore by them. I think other families do the same

murphthesmurf

The Honda C90 is one of mankinds greatist engineering feets. It's literally indestructable.

I remember me and my mates having one when we were kids. It was around 5-10 yrs old and had been destroyed by various other kids who'd owned it for the past couple of yrs (no idea where it came from originally). We used to ride it up and down canal towpaths. My mate actually ended up in the canal on it once lmfao. We fished it out, let it dry off, then fired it up again

P.C.

Political forum ^^^^^^^^

<<<<<<< English language forum

Conspiricy theory forum >>>>>>


Motorbike forum - here.

Lets discuss bikes, please.

CJhaughey

Can't beat their simple tech with high spec manufacturing.
My old NX650 was laid up in the shed since 02, I decided to reinstate it and drained the oil and cleaned the carb stuck an old 7ah battery I had lying around in it and pushed the button.
6 whizz thumps and she lit up no bother at all.
I have to say you might get better performance from water cooled engines but the old Honda air cooled singles are as reliable as a hammer.
I do think that the quality of their product has suffered since production moved to Italy and Spain but thats more in terms of materials and fasteners than anything else.

Run_to_da_hills

Dose anyone know the state of affairs in Japan at the moment with bike companies?

I know Toyota and Nissan got a fair hammering with factories and stock wiped out. Most of the factories in Tokyo and surrounding Prefectures are still on a power roster. I know some of the smaller Hondas and scooters are produced in China and Brazil.

jayok

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Dose anyone know the state of affairs in Japan at the moment with bike companies?

I know Toyota and Nissan got a fair hammering with factories and stock wiped out. Most of the factories in Tokyo and surrounding Prefectures are still on a power roster. I know some of the smaller Hondas and scooters are produced in China and Brazil.

Maybe significant number of bikes in the European Market made in Europe? E.g. I know that the Honda Deauville is made in Spain?

Not that this helps you in the Asian market.

amacca

I actually don't particularly like jap----anese bikes at all.

I prefer italian.....but from my point of view there is no denying that the products they provide (for the most part) raise the standards and if they weren't around I would probably be breaking down every five minutes with "really ****ty electrics" as opposed to "hit and miss electrics" or cursing flaky rockers on a full time basis as opposed to once every couple of years etc.

having said that I occasionally get a hankering for that kawasaki ninja in mental hooligan lime green with the twin undertail exhausts or a cbr 1000rr in hrc colour scheme that I have to quickly quash and dismiss as a momentary lapse in good taste and decorum:D

arybvtcw0eolkf

old hippy wrote: »

Ten out of ten for sentiment but minus several million for repeated use of the term "japs".

If memory serves me correctly didn't you pull this Jap sh*t in AH very recently too..

Tried searching, but unfortunetly boards.ie now has the worse search engine in the history of the god damned internet.

Way to derail a thread, bleed'n hippys.

seanybiker

Paislee Deep Retiree wrote: »

If memory serves me correctly didn't you pull this Jap sh*t in AH very recently too..

Tried searching, but unfortunetly boards.ie now has the worse search engine in the history of the god damned internet.

Way to derail a thread, bleed'n hippys.

that new search thing is pretty terrible alright.


Back on topic. Enjoy the nods

Cuddlesworth

Paislee Deep Retiree wrote: »

If memory serves me correctly didn't you pull this Jap sh*t in AH very recently too..

Tried searching, but unfortunetly boards.ie now has the worse search engine in the history of the god damned internet.

Way to derail a thread, bleed'n hippys.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71175172

Its not that bad of a search function. His recent comments about "West Brit" being offensive are far more hilarious though.

Tigger

Paislee Deep Retiree wrote: »

If memory serves me correctly didn't you pull this Jap sh*t in AH very recently too..

Tried searching, but unfortunetly boards.ie now has the worse search engine in the history of the god damned internet.

Way to derail a thread, bleed'n hippys.

he did

Run_to_da_hills

amacca wrote: »

I actually don't particularly like jap----anese bikes at all.

I prefer italian.....but from my point of view there is no denying that the products they provide (for the most part) raise the standards and if they weren't around I would probably be breaking down every five minutes with "really ****ty electrics" as opposed to "hit and miss electrics" or cursing flaky rockers on a full time basis as opposed to once every couple of years etc.

having said that I occasionally get a hankering for that kawasaki ninja in mental hooligan lime green with the twin undertail exhausts or a cbr 1000rr in hrc colour scheme that I have to quickly quash and dismiss as a momentary lapse in good taste and decorum:D

My ex was the same, wanted a Duke for years and when she finally got one (916 SP2) four years ago and it was nothing but hassle between electrical and mechanical faults although it was a very clean low mileage machine.). She is still trying to move it and has now gone back to Jap and intends to stay that way. I had my experience with several Duke's in the late 80's. They are nothing more than a glorified Fiat on two wheels.

amacca

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

My ex was the same, wanted a Duke for years and when she finally got one (916 SP2) four years ago and it was nothing but hassle between electrical and mechanical faults although it was a very clean low mileage machine.). She is still trying to move it and has now gone back to Jap and intends to stay that way. I had my experience with several Duke's in the late 80's. They are nothing more than a glorified Fiat on two wheels.

yeah...but fiat never made a cars as beautiful as my bikes.

if machines could make me horny!

old hippy

Paislee Deep Retiree wrote: »

If memory serves me correctly didn't you pull this Jap sh*t in AH very recently too..

Tried searching, but unfortunetly boards.ie now has the worse search engine in the history of the god damned internet.

Way to derail a thread, bleed'n hippys.

Ye know, for a Mod, ye don't have much cop.

Defend the casual offensiveness all you like; I imagine you haven't been exposed to the wider world out there.

The "Jap sh*t" is something I've fought against for years & will continue to do so. Regardless of accusations of PC gone mad and so on.

mikemac

old hippy wrote: »

Ye know, for a Mod, ye don't have much cop.

Defend the casual offensiveness all you like; I imagine you haven't been exposed to the wider world out there.

The "Jap sh*t" is something I've fought against for years & will continue to do so. Regardless of accusations of PC gone mad and so on.

A mod is only a regular poster outside their forum.
And Makikomi served this country in the "wider world" in the military, what have you done?

This is the motorbike forum. And still you've not posted a single post on bikes, do you own a bike? Even a scooter? Or plan to buy one? I'm not a regular poster in this forum (but read everything) and I definitely don't recognize you in here.

I posted on Hondas.
Others posted on Suzuki bikes and others can post on Yamaha or Kawasaki bikes

Humanities is the perfect forum for your little topic, stroll over there son

old hippy

feelingstressed wrote: »

A mod is only a regular poster outside their forum.
And Makikomi served this country in the "wider world" in the military, what have you done?

This is the motorbike forum. And still you've not posted a single post on bikes, do you own a bike? Even a scooter? Or plan to buy one? I'm not a regular poster in this forum (but read everything) and I definitely don't recognize you in here.

I posted on Hondas.
Others posted on Suzuki bikes and others can post on Yamaha or Kawasaki bikes

Humanities is the perfect forum for your little topic, stroll over there son

One doesn't have to don a uniform to serve.

Does it matter that I don't own a hog? You who don't post regular, crying that I ain't a regular?

I caught one or two posters out on terminology - none of which could man up and admit their mistake. Instead, I got the tired bla bla about being pc.

Fine, if that's their thing - who am I to change the stick in the mud.

I commended the sentiment here; still do. But fukc you if you think that some words are cool because that's the way you always said 'em.

Not cool.

Cuddlesworth

old hippy wrote: »

Ye know, for a Mod, ye don't have much cop.

Defend the casual offensiveness all you like; I imagine you haven't been exposed to the wider world out there.

The "Jap sh*t" is something I've fought against for years & will continue to do so. Regardless of accusations of PC gone mad and so on.

You should really hear what the lads shortened my Kawasaki's name to. I think you would love it.

Is their any news on the production lines and factory's? Would hate to see any company go under and its not a good time worldwide to begin .

P.C.

NO MORE OFF TOPIC POSTING!

OFF TOPIC POSTS WILL BE DELETED, AND THIS THREAD CLEANED UP IF THIS CONTIUES.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CO-OPORATION.

old hippy

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

You should really hear what the lads shortened my Kawasaki's name to. I think you would love it.

Is their any news on the production lines and factory's? Would hate to see any company go under and its not a good time worldwide to begin .

If you've followed the economy in that part of the world, I'm sure you'll be very much aware that many companies have been going under since the start of the collapse of the good times, back in '93.

Nobody, sure yerself included, wants to see any long established & well regarded names die a death.

I'm sure the lads have a very clever name for your K. I always remember the intelligence involved with that kinda thing. Neh?

KamiKazi

old hippy wrote: »

If you've followed the economy in that part of the world, I'm sure you'll be very much aware that many companies have been going under since the start of the collapse of the good times, back in '93.

Nobody, sure yerself included, wants to see any long established & well regarded names die a death.

I'm sure the lads have a very clever name for your K. I always remember the intelligence involved with that kinda thing. Neh?

Are you a biker?

Do you have an interest in discussing Japanese motorcycles???

If not please get the fvck out of this thread you irritating cvnt!!!

P.C.

KamiKazi wrote: »

Are you a biker?

Do you have an interest in discussing Japanese motorcycles???

If not please get the fvck out of this thread you irritating cvnt!!!

See my warning above.

Actually, It hink this thread needs to be locked.

I don't see it getting back on topic.