Old Model Ford Focus or Kia Proceed

mickey1985

Im torn between getting these too cars for scrapprage for my old car.I can get the old model focus for about €17500 and the kia proceed for about €16000.I know the proceed is cheaper and has the 7 year warranty but the focus would have a better residual value.Its a 1.6 diesel im looking at for both.Any advice or experience of either would be helpful thanks.

mickey1985

mickey1985 wrote: »

I know the proceed is cheaper and has the 7 year warranty but the focus would have a better residual value.

Do you reckon there'd be much in it ?

debbie353

It's hard to say what car is going to hold value
Nowadays but a 7 year warrenty is tempting
If ur happy with the looks and drive of the KIA
I'd defo give them a go!
P.s not a ford person myself maybe I'm biast lol.

bazz26

If your decision is souly based on which one has the better resale value then it will be alot closer than you think. Fords generally have weak resale values especially outside the Ford dealer network due to the sheer number of them available. With the new Focus is now launched and it will only weaken resale values of the old model even further as it becomes established.

Kias in general have weak resale values mainly due to the fact that some people still think Kia are a bargin basement Korean brand. This is slowly changing though with each new model they launch and backed up by a comprehensive warranty. The Pro Ceed is a good car, might not handle as sharply as the Focus but most folks don't buy these cars to see how well they behave when trashed around corners. 1.6 litre diesel is a little gem in the Kia too.

My feeling is that resale value will be similar if a little better on the Pro Ceed in a few years time as it has a more sporty design to it which will make it that bit more desireable.

mickey1985

RoverJames wrote: »

Do you reckon there'd be much in it ?

Probably €2000 to €3000

mickey1985

mickey1985 wrote: »

Probably €2000 to €3000

:eek:

After how many years do you reckon you'll see that difference, a year or two presumably?

Henry Ford III

Look at the respective leasing rates for a clue as to expected residual values.

EPM

I was pricing year old Proceeds recently and they are going for strong money. There is a decent demand and supply is relatively low. I'd think a decent clean five year old Proceed (with 2 years warranty left to run) would be snapped up sharpish.

I also know someone with a two year old one who has been getting prices against new cars and the deals are a lot better than expected.

There was a spec change earlier this year on the EX models though - the lost some nice kit (17 inch alloys, tinted windows and half leather trim) when they had the engine upgrades. There's a facelift model out now too.

mickey1985

I went to a ford garage today and got offered a 1.6 diesel 109bhp 3door black for 17000+3years free tax and a tank of diesel so i could get it for more or less 16600 at that.So would you choose the kia at 16000 or the focus at that money?

Patsy fyre

Well Id buy a Pro_ceed any day over a Ford. Thats probably because I own one and am completely biased. But I can assure you that if you buy one you will not regret it. Brilliant car. Best thing about them also is that nobody else has one. Ford is as common as rain. Also take a look at the Hyundai i30 lovely car also.

gazmc18

There is no way a kia will hold its value overtime as well as a diesel focus. The focus will always be worth more than it. It will be a lot easier to sell on than the Kia too.

Bigus

gazmc18 wrote: »

There is no way a kia will hold its value overtime as well as a diesel focus. The focus will always be worth more than it. It will be a lot easier to sell on than the Kia too.

Don't agree, Pro_ceed could well have better resale than Focus
but focus would have better resale than ordinary Ceed

Compton

More people would deffinately prefer the focus when buying second hand, so stop kidding yourselves.

Patsy fyre

shblob wrote: »

More people would deffinately prefer the focus when buying second hand, so stop kidding yourselves.

The fact that the proceed is so hard to get second hand means that their resale value will remain high.
I spent 4 months trying to find one! Since I have had it ive had offers for it even though its not for sale.

Simple case of demand and supply + throw in the remaining years warranty and it will get you more than your standard ford.

R.O.R

shblob wrote: »

More people would deffinately prefer the focus when buying second hand, so stop kidding yourselves.

As your such an expert, hope you won't mind all the PM's I'm going to send for your advice on used car values :rolleyes:

Barack Obama

mickey1985 wrote: »

Im torn between getting these too cars for scrapprage for my old car.I can get the old model focus for about €17500 and the kia proceed for about €16000.I know the proceed is cheaper and has the 7 year warranty but the focus would have a better residual value.Its a 1.6 diesel im looking at for both.Any advice or experience of either would be helpful thanks.

Not too sure about that - you are already buying an older model...

mickey1985

I know its an older model but there would be a better demand for it in a few years as it has a better brandname.The kia is somewhat of an unknown so might have a lower value.There is only a two year warranty with the focus compared to 7 with the proceed.Has anyone had much experience with trouble in either of these two cars?

The Blue Oval brainwash is shining through, a Kia is not anywhat of an unknown these days. I reckon you won't be happy until you are sitting in your old model Focus :pac:

bazz26

mickey1985 wrote: »

I know its an older model but there would be a better demand for it in a few years as it has a better brandname.The kia is somewhat of an unknown so might have a lower value.There is only a two year warranty with the focus compared to 7 with the proceed.Has anyone had much experience with trouble in either of these two cars?

Where are you getting this notion from? The country is awash with Foci, Ford have been offering them at big discounts to fleet companies plus they have been giving generous scrappage discounts on them to shift them before the new model arrived. There will be no shortage of these cars on garage forecourts in a few years meaning demand will not outstrip supply. If it follows normall Ford resale value trends then used examples will be cheap as chips due to the shear number of them around. BTW Kia were an unknown entity maybe 10 years ago not these days.

Henry Ford III

bazz26 wrote: »

Where are you getting this notion from? The country is awash with Foci, Ford have been offering them at big discounts to fleet companies plus they have been giving generous scrappage discounts on them to shift them before the new model arrived. There will be no shortage of these cars on garage forecourts in a few years meaning demand will not outstrip supply. If it follows normall Ford resale value trends then used examples will be cheap as chips due to the shear number of them around. BTW Kia were an unknown entity maybe 10 years ago not these days.

It's been the best selling car for years, and it's not due to discounting nor hari kari warranties.

mickey1985

Think im leaning towards the focus.I just think it will be worth more in a few years.

Patsy fyre

mickey1985 wrote: »

Think im leaning towards the focus.I just think it will be worth more in a few years.

You have obviously no interest in buying a Pro_ceed so go get your ford and drive around like everyone else. A decision you will regret however!

EPM

mickey1985 wrote: »

Think im leaning towards the focus.I just think it will be worth more in a few years.

How many years is a few? There is a point where it will make zero difference.

mickey1985

Patsy fyre wrote: »

You have obviously no interest in buying a Pro_ceed so go get your ford and drive around like everyone else. A decision you will regret however!

I wouldnt agree that i have no interest its just when i can buy both for about the same money and the focus has potenially a better resale value it seems a better option.Also it is slightly more efficient.

-Corkie-

I think the Kia is a nicer looking motor and well finished. Focus is common as muck and unless its a titanium the extras are poor.

-Chris-

LOL at all the expert residual opinions, yet at no stage does the OP say how many years they're keeping the car for and how many KMs they'll do in that time.

Some people here I trust to know what they're talking about, but for the armchair RV experts, how could you not think of asking those questions??

mickey1985

-Corkie- wrote: »

I think the Kia is a nicer looking motor and well finished. Focus is common as muck and unless its a titanium the extras are poor.

Alloys,bluetooth,fog lights air conditioning all come with the focus.All its missing over the kia is cruise control.The 2year warranty is the only disadvantage compared to the 7 year with the kia but its unlikely there wil be much trouble with the focus in that time anyway.

-Corkie-

mickey1985 wrote: »

Alloys,bluetooth,fog lights air conditioning all come with the focus.All its missing over the kia is cruise control.The 2year warranty is the only disadvantage compared to the 7 year with the kia but its unlikely there wil be much trouble with the focus in that time anyway.

Is that all??. Focus would be as reliable as the Kia.

-Chris-

-Chris- wrote: »

LOL at all the expert residual opinions, yet at no stage does the OP say how many years they're keeping the car for and how many KMs they'll do in that time.

Some people here I trust to know what they're talking about, but for the armchair RV experts, how could you not think of asking those questions??

The OP knew the Focus would have better residual value He wasn't asking advise of the resale value and he didn't answer when asked when the €2000/€3000 difference would be seen.

-Chris-

RoverJames wrote: »

The OP knew the Focus would have better residual value He wasn't asking advise of the resale value and he didn't answer when asked when the €2000/€3000 difference would be seen.

So it's a thread by someone who doesn't have enough information, answered by people who don't have enough information?? The blind leading the blind??? :P:D

Ah sure, 'twas always going to be the Focus :pac:

longshanks

-Chris- wrote: »

So it's a thread by someone who doesn't have enough information, answered by people who don't have enough information?? The blind leading the blind??? :P:D

Welcome to the internet son, you'll like it here

mickey1985

-Chris- wrote: »

So it's a thread by someone who doesn't have enough information, answered by people who don't have enough information?? The blind leading the blind??? :P:D

Its a thread i created looking for advice to help me make a decision on which of the two cars to choose by getting peoples advice on the pros and cons of each option.In fairness alot of the advice has been helpful.

-Chris-

OK - how many miles are you doing - does cruise control matter?
How many years are you intending to keep the car for - what's the importance of the longer warranty?
Are you looking at the 3Dr version in both?

What are you driving now?
What do you like/dislike about it?

Are you an enthusiastic driver or are you happier with low motor tax?

Do you actually need a diesel, or are you just doing it for the cheap running costs?

okiss

If you are going to buy a focus make sure it is a 5 door - a 3 door will have a limited market when it come to resale.
A focus is a popular family size car. A person I know had a 3 door car and a baby. She sold the car but found it hard to sell because of the 3 doors.
Also consider that ford have changed the shape of the focus a few time - how long are you going to keep the car for?

Vicxas

The C'eed is a great little car, Proceed is much prettier, and the car rarely has any faults.

But a Ford Focus is a Ford Focus...

Leonard Hofstadter

If the car is being kept long enough then resale value doesn't really matter.

The Focus is an excellent car though, so regardless of whether or not it is cheaper, dearer or otherwise, it's the one I'd be going for. Being a last of the line model, all reliability issues will have long been sorted out at this stage.

mickey1985

Just letting you know guys i went for the focus in the end.A 3door red for 16500 with 3years free tax and a fill of diesel so not bad.Thanks for all the advice

Bigus

Good luck with your new purchase.