becoming a doctor

innthe

what subjects do you need to be a doctor?im in junior cert and were picking our subjects tomorrow, i doubt i will do transition year because i already (mostly) know what i will do and transition year is mainly for picking subjects you like and that will be irrelevant for which job you would like to get.I am thinking of choosing irish (o), maths(h), biology, chemistry, but i dont know which others to choose.Maybe art because its easy to get points for it and would i need physics?

Dozen Wicked Words

Theres a Health Sciences Education forum that will prob be your best bet.

Unregistered.

innthe wrote: »

transition year is mainly for picking subjects you like and that will be irrelevant for which job you would like to get.

What? For leaving cert you should be picking subjects that you like first and foremost and then subjects that you need.

Bbbbolger

innthe wrote: »

Maybe art because its easy to get points for it

Not in the Leaving Cert. Art has the lowest percentage of A1s out of any L.C subject. Not only do you have to be an amazing artist you also have to learn a lot of tedious details about a very wide variety of subjects. It's nothing like the Junior cert at all.

Rodin

innthe wrote: »

what subjects do you need to be a doctor?im in junior cert and were picking our subjects tomorrow, i doubt i will do transition year because i already (mostly) know what i will do and transition year is mainly for picking subjects you like and that will be irrelevant for which job you would like to get.I am thinking of choosing irish (o), maths(h), biology, chemistry, but i dont know which others to choose.Maybe art because its easy to get points for it and would i need physics?

For trinity medicine

Specific Entry Requirements
Leaving Certificate HB3 + HC3 In two of physics, chemistry, biology, physics/chemistry or agricultural science
If you do not have a qualification in physics you must present mathematics at OC3/HD3 or better

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Bbbbolger wrote: »

Not in the Leaving Cert. Art has the lowest percentage of A1s out of any L.C subject. Not only do you have to be an amazing artist you also have to learn a lot of tedious details about a very wide variety of subjects. It's nothing like the Junior cert at all.

I dunno about that.
I got an A in LC art and i wouldn't call myself a brilliant artist.
Maybe i was lucky.
Agree about the Art history stuff though- bit tedious IIRC.

abusingelves

The entry requirements are relatively low, as outlined above.

I understand that most colleges look for two science subjects, with honours maths counting as a science subject.

If you are aiming for medicine, firstly make sure that you have the entry requirements as regards subjects, then pick other subjects which are easiest for you to get good marks in. From my own experience, you do not need any particular science subject when doing a medical degree, so choose whichever is easiest for you to get an A in. Don't worry about people quoting percentages of A's in certain subjects. Its pretty simple and if you answer the questions giving the answers they are looking for, you will get full marks.

Oh and don't forget the h-pat, but I've no experience of that!

MASTER...of the bra

How to become a doc in Ireland.

How to Become a Doctor in Ireland
Aspiring physicians and experienced medical specialists in Ireland are overseen by the Ireland Medical Council. This council works with the country's hospitals as well as the six recognized medical schools to ensure quality medical care for Irish residents. As an Irish student moves from secondary school to university, he needs to decide early if a career as a doctor is in the cards. The education and training needed to become a doctor in Ireland require patience, intelligence and a good work ethic.

Difficulty:Moderately Challenging

Pursue a Career as a Physician in Ireland

1. • 1 Complete courses in chemistry, physiology and biology at the A level prior to entering medical school. Students who were unable to get A levels in these courses can usually participate in a 30-week premed program to shore up grades in required courses.
   • 2 Study biology, nutrition and psychology in your first or foundation year in Irish medical school. The first two semesters of medical school in Ireland focus on delving deeper into undergraduate topic areas, creating bedrocks of information for physicians.
   • 3 Register for your junior cycle or second year of classes to take a systemic approach to medical studies. Irish medical schools require students to pursue 18 courses on cardiorespiratory, endocrine and other system-specific topics. These courses are broken up over three semesters with some students completing their junior cycles in spring, summer and fall sessions.
   • 4 Apply your knowledge from the junior cycle with your three-semester intermediate cycle in Irish medical school. While the intermediate cycle continues systemic studies from the second year, students are assessed rigorously on each system through applied testing.
   • 5 Complete your bachelors of medicine and bachelors of surgery with your 2-year senior cycle and internship. The senior cycle requires the practical application of the previous three cycles with students shadowing physicians until their time is complete. Irish physicians must complete an additional year as an intern after the senior cycle to complete their studies.
   • 6 Submit your credentials to the Ireland Medical Council to be registered as a doctor in Ireland. The Ireland Medical Council requires registrants to follow their professional standards, pay a 475-euro yearly fee and amend their applications to reflect changes in contact information and professional status.

Tips & Warnings

• Look for the appropriate form on the Ireland Medical Council website if you are an out-of-country physician moving to Ireland. Utilize the EEA Practitioner Registration form if you are a registered doctor elsewhere in Europe. Physicians from the United States, Africa and other places outside Europe can fill out the standard application form, send along transcripts and pay a higher rate for certification. Schedule an examination from your family physician to determine an immunization schedule prior to medical school. The Ireland Medical Council, medical schools and hospitals require physicians to be updated on immunizations for hepatitis B and tuberculosis.

Resources

• Royal College of Surgeons Ireland
• University College Dublin
• Irish Universities and Medical Schools Consortium
• Ireland Medical Council

QueenOfLeon

abusingelves wrote: »

The entry requirements are relatively low, as outlined above.

I understand that most colleges look for two science subjects, with honours maths counting as a science subject.

Honours maths is not counted as a science subject.

What I'd advise is pick a 3rd language (requirement for the NUIs) and 2 sciences (definitely chemistry and then whatever you like, I'd recommend biology) which will bring you up to 6 subjects.

After that, pick subjects that you are good at and that you can score highly in. If you're good at learning off theory, go for business, history, geography, religion etc. If you prefer methodical mathsy stuff go for accounting, applied maths, that sort of thing. Once you have the requirements picked just go for what you'll do best in.

Slow Show

Sorry if this is the wrong place to put this, but it seemed the most appropriate without starting a new thread.

I'm just wondering, would it be a bit retarded not to do Biology for the LC if you're thinking about doing Medicine, or at least want to keep your options open for it. I'm set on doing two sciences anyway, and I had Biology and Chemistry down, but right now I think I like Physics more than Biology and I've heard it crosses over quite a bit with Chemistry. It's not as if I detest Biology or anything, I think it's interesting enough, just not the way it seems to be for LC i.e. lots and lots of rote learning, which isn't really my style tbh.

I just said I'd ask out of curiosity and maybe consider changing. Even I think my question is a bit silly, it's a bit strange to think of a possible future not knowing your liver from your pancreas.

AndrewJD

Slow Show wrote: »

It's not as if I detest Biology or anything, I think it's interesting enough, just not the way it seems to be for LC i.e. lots and lots of rote learning, which isn't really my style tbh.

Good thing there's no rote learning in Medicine!

I jest, I get your point, why spend a year doing silly biology when it's what you'll be doing for the rest of your life. Seeing as it makes no difference to the application, do the subjects you like. If you prefer Physics (like I did), do that instead. You'll be more likely to do better, and get higher points. Whilst LC Biology will help you a bit on an extremely basic level in first year, it doesn't make a huge deal of difference. At Trinity anyway, you could also pick up a class that ran for the first few months covering basic biology. I don't think it's really needed, with some common sense and wikipedia at hand, you can look up the difference between the liver and the pancreas. It's more important to get the points.

KittyCat12345

Slow Show wrote: »

Sorry if this is the wrong place to put this, but it seemed the most appropriate without starting a new thread.

I'm just wondering, would it be a bit retarded not to do Biology for the LC if you're thinking about doing Medicine, or at least want to keep your options open for it. I'm set on doing two sciences anyway, and I had Biology and Chemistry down, but right now I think I like Physics more than Biology and I've heard it crosses over quite a bit with Chemistry. It's not as if I detest Biology or anything, I think it's interesting enough, just not the way it seems to be for LC i.e. lots and lots of rote learning, which isn't really my style tbh.

I just said I'd ask out of curiosity and maybe consider changing. Even I think my question is a bit silly, it's a bit strange to think of a possible future not knowing your liver from your pancreas.

Surely there is a bit better word than that. If you do want to become a doctor, maybe you should revise your vocabulary a little more carefully so as not to offend.

Chunky Monkey

Slow Show wrote: »

Sorry if this is the wrong place to put this, but it seemed the most appropriate without starting a new thread.

I'm just wondering, would it be a bit retarded not to do Biology for the LC if you're thinking about doing Medicine, or at least want to keep your options open for it. I'm set on doing two sciences anyway, and I had Biology and Chemistry down, but right now I think I like Physics more than Biology and I've heard it crosses over quite a bit with Chemistry. It's not as if I detest Biology or anything, I think it's interesting enough, just not the way it seems to be for LC i.e. lots and lots of rote learning, which isn't really my style tbh.

I just said I'd ask out of curiosity and maybe consider changing. Even I think my question is a bit silly, it's a bit strange to think of a possible future not knowing your liver from your pancreas.

If you prefer physics to biology, why are you applying for medicine?

I agree with what the guy has said above about doing the subjects that you want and LC biology is quite basic but the human biology is really interesting and there's more of that in medicine than physics.

You don't need anything beyond basic physics in medicine. If you like physics, perhaps you could be a medical physicist (not going to pretend I know much about their job though).

Chunky Monkey

AndrewJD wrote: »

Good thing there's no rote learning in Medicine!

Where I'm studying tries to deny it, but we all have to resort to it eventually if we actually want to pass.

AndrewJD

Chunky Monkey wrote: »

If you prefer physics to biology, why are you applying for medicine?

I agree with what the guy has said above about doing the subjects that you want and LC biology is quite basic but the human biology is really interesting and there's more of that in medicine than physics.

You don't need anything beyond basic physics in medicine. If you like physics, perhaps you could be a medical physicist (not going to pretend I know much about their job though).

Completely disagree. LC Biology has absolutely nothing in common with medicine. Nothing. I hated biology. I found it boring for the most part, tedious and pointless for the rest of it. And I love medicine. Whilst some of the stuff you encounter in first year will hark bark to the odd bit of Bio in second level, the rest of your degree is a different world. Maybe others disagree, but the difference between the basics of (say) a membrane transporter at LC, and the biochemical pathway, physiological outcome and subsequent treatment regime for (say) Cystic Fibrosis in Medicine just seem to me to live in different universes. No doubt, the boring basics behind these things are important, but disliking them (particularly in how they're presented in secondary school) should never put someone off the career.

Rote learning has been the cornerstone of Medicine for centuries. A necessary evil for the most part. At least your course tries to hide it, Trinity seem to have no such aspirations

Slow Show

KittyCat12345 wrote: »

Surely there is a bit better word than that. If you do want to become a doctor, maybe you should revise your vocabulary a little more carefully so as not to offend.

Thanks for the advise bro, really helped with my decision.

AndrewJD wrote: »

Completely disagree. LC Biology has absolutely nothing in common with medicine. Nothing. I hated biology. I found it boring for the most part, tedious and pointless for the rest of it. And I love medicine. Whilst some of the stuff you encounter in first year will hark bark to the odd bit of Bio in second level, the rest of your degree is a different world. Maybe others disagree, but the difference between the basics of (say) a membrane transporter at LC, and the biochemical pathway, physiological outcome and subsequent treatment regime for (say) Cystic Fibrosis in Medicine just seem to me to live in different universes. No doubt, the boring basics behind these things are important, but disliking them (particularly in how they're presented in secondary school) should never put someone off the career.

Rote learning has been the cornerstone of Medicine for centuries. A necessary evil for the most part. At least your course tries to hide it, Trinity seem to have no such aspirations

Thanks, you've been really helpful. I'll probably still end up doing Biology, it's not like I hate it or anything, I just get the idea it's a fascinating subject but not to be examined on for the LC, if you get me. I was only considering on doing Physics more because I decided to give Applied Maths a try, and the two seem to complement each other, but that's no reason to make a decision, and my preference of physics over biology really is minute, so I'll stick to what would probably be the most useful in the long run (even if just a little, as you say). I'm not even sure that I know what I want to do yet, it's far too early to make a decision like that, I just want to cover all bases so I don't end up kicking myself in this time two years.