GAA to trial Hawk-Eye at Croke Park

ormond lad

irishtimes.com - Last Updated: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 12:47
GAA to trial Hawk-Eye at Croke Park

GAA: Saturday, April 2nd promises to be a momentous occasion in the history of the GAA after it was confirmed that Hawk-Eye will be trialled during the Allianz League double-header at Croke Park.

Dublin take on Down in the football league before meeting Kilkenny in the hurling and Hawkeye will be used during both matches to “determine the logistics of positioning and installation of equipment in Croke Park as part of the ongoing feasibility test surrounding the possible use of this technology”.
Although its use will have no bearing on the outcome of either game, with match officials not party to the information gleaned by the technology, the trials could decide Hawk-Eye will be adopted in 2012.
Cost, however, is also likely to have a bearing on any decision as the system would have to be installed in all championship grounds.
“This is the next step in the feasibility study which will be presented to Ard Chomhairle which will ultimately determine whether or not the technology is deemed suitable for use with Gaelic Games,” GAA president Christy Cooney said today.
“Having football and hurling here on the same day means using this date makes perfect sense but despite the presence of the equipment it will have no direct role in the game or bearing on how scores are recorded.”
Although Hawk-Eye will have the capacity to eliminate the majority of scores being called incorrectly, it remains somewhat limited in its scope.
While contentious points - such as Joe Canning’s shot for Galway against Offaly that was inside the posts but waved wide by an umpire - can be called correctly the technology cannot mitigate entirely for human error.
Incidents such as Joe Sheridan’s illegal goal that decided the Leinster football final in Meath’s favour and Benny Coulter’s square-ball goal that assisted Down’s progress to the All-Ireland final would not be covered by the technology.
What is Hawk-Eye?
Hawk-Eye is a computer system that has been adopted by several sports, including professional cricket and tennis, to track the path of the ball and display a record of its most statistically likely path as a moving image to counteract human error.
It uses the principles of triangulation with four high-speed video cameras.
The system generates a graphic image of the ball path and playing area, which can provide accurate information to referees, judges, television viewers and coaches in near real time
fair play to the GAA i thought they might try it out in the future but never thought that theyd try it out so soon. hopefully the system works and is found to be suitable to football and hurling

adrian522

ormond lad wrote: »

Cost, however, is also likely to have a bearing on any decision as the system would have to be installed in all championship grounds.

Why does it have to be installed at all championship grounds.

It would be a huge improvement on the status quo if it was installed at all games at croke park or from QF stage onwards or whatever.

At Wimbledon it is only available on the show courts and it is accepted that it is not feasible to have it on all courts.

Joekers

ormond lad wrote: »

irishtimes.com - Last Updated: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 12:47
GAA to trial Hawk-Eye at Croke Park

GAA: Saturday, April 2nd promises to be a momentous occasion in the history of the GAA after it was confirmed that Hawk-Eye will be trialled during the Allianz League double-header at Croke Park.

Dublin take on Down in the football league before meeting Kilkenny in the hurling and Hawkeye will be used during both matches to “determine the logistics of positioning and installation of equipment in Croke Park as part of the ongoing feasibility test surrounding the possible use of this technology”.
Although its use will have no bearing on the outcome of either game, with match officials not party to the information gleaned by the technology, the trials could decide Hawk-Eye will be adopted in 2012.
Cost, however, is also likely to have a bearing on any decision as the system would have to be installed in all championship grounds.
“This is the next step in the feasibility study which will be presented to Ard Chomhairle which will ultimately determine whether or not the technology is deemed suitable for use with Gaelic Games,” GAA president Christy Cooney said today.
“Having football and hurling here on the same day means using this date makes perfect sense but despite the presence of the equipment it will have no direct role in the game or bearing on how scores are recorded.”
Although Hawk-Eye will have the capacity to eliminate the majority of scores being called incorrectly, it remains somewhat limited in its scope.
While contentious points - such as Joe Canning’s shot for Galway against Offaly that was inside the posts but waved wide by an umpire - can be called correctly the technology cannot mitigate entirely for human error.
Incidents such as Joe Sheridan’s illegal goal that decided the Leinster football final in Meath’s favour and Benny Coulter’s square-ball goal that assisted Down’s progress to the All-Ireland final would not be covered by the technology.
What is Hawk-Eye?
Hawk-Eye is a computer system that has been adopted by several sports, including professional cricket and tennis, to track the path of the ball and display a record of its most statistically likely path as a moving image to counteract human error.
It uses the principles of triangulation with four high-speed video cameras.
The system generates a graphic image of the ball path and playing area, which can provide accurate information to referees, judges, television viewers and coaches in near real time
fair play to the GAA i thought they might try it out in the future but never thought that theyd try it out so soon. hopefully the system works and is found to be suitable to football and hurling

All we need for that is a video ref with 3 reviews for either team not hard to figure out that one :pac:

ShamoBuc

It's a step forward in the use of technology. It might or might not take off but it is certainly worth a try.

flahavaj

Great to see the GAA being proactive and embracing progress while FIFA and UEFA continue to live in the dark ages.

laughter189

at long last -

Hopefully video replays next like Rugby

Daysha

laughter189 wrote: »

at long last -

Hopefully video replays next like Rugby

What use would video replays have though, if Hawk-Eye proves successful? The only thing they use video technology for is determining tries or not, and that's exactly what Hawk-Eye can do for our equivalent in half the time.

An Citeog

Daysha wrote: »

What use would video replays have though, if Hawk-Eye proves successful? The only thing they use video technology for is determining tries or not, and that's exactly what Hawk-Eye can do for our equivalent in half the time.

Off the ball incidents and blatantly wrong decisions such as the goal in the Leinster final aren't covered by Hawk-Eye.

Daysha

An Citeog wrote: »

Off the ball incidents and blatantly wrong decisions such as the goal in the Leinster final aren't covered by Hawk-Eye.

True but I can't think of a single sport apart from American Football which uses video technology to analyse off the ball incidents during the game itself. How would you even implement something like that anyway? Does a manager stop the game every time he thinks somebody from the opposite team is involved in a few handbags? What happens if they stop the game but turns out none of the cameras picked it up? A GAA pitch is a big field, unless RTÉ or anybody else trebled the amount of cameras they use there is still a good chance it'll be missed.

I'm all for using cameras after a game to see what happened but if you try implement that during the game itself you'll have less playing, more stoppages and more figuring out of who did what while the entire crowd are just waiting around.

The Leinster final is a good case in point and I wouldn't be against it in those kind of cases, but it would still be a logistical nightmare.

Fr Tod Umptious

Daysha wrote: »

True but I can't think of a single sport apart from American Football which uses video technology to analyse off the ball incidents during the game itself. How would you even implement something like that anyway? Does a manager stop the game every time he thinks somebody from the opposite team is involved in a few handbags? What happens if they stop the game but turns out none of the cameras picked it up? A GAA pitch is a big field, unless RTÉ or anybody else trebled the amount of cameras they use there is still a good chance it'll be missed.

I'm all for using cameras after a game to see what happened but if you try implement that during the game itself you'll have less playing, more stoppages and more figuring out of who did what while the entire crowd are just waiting around.

The Leinster final is a good case in point and I wouldn't be against it in those kind of cases, but it would still be a logistical nightmare.

NFL only uses video replay for incidents involving the ball, e.g was the player (with the ball) down, did he cross the goal line for a TD, was it a fumble or a incomplete pass.
Replay is not used for things like, holding, pass interference etc that do not involve the ball.
From 2011 on all scores will automatically be reviewed also.

I am all for Hawk-eye being used to detect if the ball crossed the line and went through the posts etc but for incident like the Lenister final and the Benny Coulter square ball in the All Ireland semi-final you have umpires and lines men, train them and use them properly.

adrian522

I think they should overhaul the umpire system and only use inter county refs as umpires similar to rugby, guys not afraid of making a decision.

Mr.Crinklewood

Any word on how Hawk-eye did last night?

ShamoBuc

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

Any word on how Hawk-eye did last night?

no, but I'm very interested in the findings. Apparently it was only at the hill end and the ref etc had no contact whatsoever with the officials in the tech room. I hope they release an account of it during the week.

civis_liberalis

flahavaj wrote: »

Great to see the GAA being proactive and embracing progress while FIFA and UEFA continue to live in the dark ages.

Don't forget the FAI.

civis_liberalis

No more news on this I presume or reaction from the trials?