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If they can have 'King's Birthday' and 'Empire Day'
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Well the difference could be construed that, in order to make up the cost of these extra days, everyone has to pay a leeetle bit more tax. This means they've less disposable income and may have to work harder - so could have to work longer hours so public servants can work shorter onesyou can honestly say you would refuse extra days holidays, fair play to ya if you can.
As to campaigning for more days off - given the way many companies are stretched financially, the only increase open to you is probably to get every day off...0 -
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Ha ha, what a load of twaddle, lets all campaign for 100 days off a year!
Public service inefficiency = high taxes + poor service
People are not jealous, it's just that more than ever, people are aware that they are paying for it with higher taxes so they are rightly justified in asking the question "what is my money being spent on"?
How do you define "inefficiency"? I define it as not getting the work that has to be done, done, in a timely and effective manner.
I've LONG been a believer in project or task based pay / work than time based. If I have a job to do and I can do it in 2 hours, isn't it kind of mad that I have to drag it out for four hours artificially because my pay is based on hours worked rather than results achieved?
Imagine two scenarios here. Each of these people is being paid €1,000. One is being paid a grand per week, the other is being paid a grand to get a project finished.
Now you easily could argue that the average time to complete such a project is one week, which is fair enough. But some people work faster & more efficiently than others. So:
Scenario A: The dude who is being paid a grand per week is perfectly capable of getting the project finished and implemented within 3 days.
Scenario B: The dude who's being paid a grand to finish the job, also finishes in three days.
In scenario A you'd almost definitely find the guy clocking in for the remaining two days and artificially slowing himself down. Why? Because he has to be at his desk 5 days a week at particular times in order to get paid per hour. Therefore he works LESS efficiently, on purpose, so that he doesn't have to sacrifice his perfectly deserved and well earned money just because he's actually mmuch better at his job than anyone else.
Hence why all this stuff about extra leave being inefficient always baffles me. In certain jobs, it's not the amount of time you put in but the amount of effort you put into them. And it could even be argued that paying the guy €1000 for two days completion actually saves MORE money, since there could be major costs involved in the amount of time worked (electricity, machine running costs, stationary, heating, you name it)
In summary: I don't get why people are so concerned with the amount of time people are working, other than jealousy of getting less time off. To be perfectly honest, I don't mind how often a public servant is at his desk provided the job he is supposed to be doing is getting done to a high standard, enabling me, the citizen, to make use of that work.
Now perhaps my views are a bit skewed as most of my talents and future career ideas are the kind of things - such as web design and media - which are result based rather than time based, but this whole idea that working less = less efficiency to me is absolutely daft. My idea of "efficient" is actually to get things done as well as possible, as quickly as possible, for the people I am supposed to be providing a service to.
Time off and time on aren't nearly as relevant as people seem to be making out.0 -
Oh sweet divine, this is getting worse - there's two of them now. Good eveninghatrickpatrick wrote: »How do you define "inefficiency"? I define it as not getting the work that has to be done, done, in a timely and effective manner.
I've LONG been a believer in project or task based pay / work than time based. If I have a job to do and I can do it in 2 hours, isn't it kind of mad that I have to drag it out for four hours artificially because my pay is based on hours worked rather than results achieved?
Imagine two scenarios here. Each of these people is being paid €1,000. One is being paid a grand per week, the other is being paid a grand to get a project finished.
Now you easily could argue that the average time to complete such a project is one week, which is fair enough. But some people work faster & more efficiently than others. So:
Scenario A: The dude who is being paid a grand per week is perfectly capable of getting the project finished and implemented within 3 days.
Scenario B: The dude who's being paid a grand to finish the job, also finishes in three days.
In scenario A you'd almost definitely find the guy clocking in for the remaining two days and artificially slowing himself down. Why? Because he has to be at his desk 5 days a week at particular times in order to get paid per hour. Therefore he works LESS efficiently, on purpose, so that he doesn't have to sacrifice his perfectly deserved and well earned money just because he's actually mmuch better at his job than anyone else.
Hence why all this stuff about extra leave being inefficient always baffles me. In certain jobs, it's not the amount of time you put in but the amount of effort you put into them. And it could even be argued that paying the guy €1000 for two days completion actually saves MORE money, since there could be major costs involved in the amount of time worked (electricity, machine running costs, stationary, heating, you name it)
In summary: I don't get why people are so concerned with the amount of time people are working, other than jealousy of getting less time off. To be perfectly honest, I don't mind how often a public servant is at his desk provided the job he is supposed to be doing is getting done to a high standard, enabling me, the citizen, to make use of that work.
Now perhaps my views are a bit skewed as most of my talents and future career ideas are the kind of things - such as web design and media - which are result based rather than time based, but this whole idea that working less = less efficiency to me is absolutely daft. My idea of "efficient" is actually to get things done as well as possible, as quickly as possible, for the people I am supposed to be providing a service to.
Time off and time on aren't nearly as relevant as people seem to be making out.0 -
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hatrickpatrick wrote: »I've LONG been a believer in project or task based pay / work than time based. If I have a job to do and I can do it in 2 hours, isn't it kind of mad that I have to drag it out for four hours artificially because my pay is based on hours worked rather than results achieved?
Traditionally that was the way binmen worked - once the rounds were done they were finished. There's a technical name for it which I can't remember.0 -
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