What does he mean.. trades?

faw1tytowers · 22-03-2011 10:36pm #1

I emailed someone regarding a car for sale... there reply was very uninformative and he said "I am in trades". What does he mean by this?

22-03-2011 10:39pm

I would think he means he is a car dealer

mickdw · 22-03-2011 10:39pm

In the car trade maybe - a dealer?

In trades is a strange statement though.
Anyway, if he was unhelpful in his reply, move on to next car.

faw1tytowers · 22-03-2011 10:48pm

mickdw wrote: »

In the car trade maybe - a dealer?

In trades is a strange statement though.
Anyway, if he was unhelpful in his reply, move on to next car.

This is what he said which i thought was completely useless....

"Hi , no service history car brought from uk last year, im in trades so i dont

know is the timing belt was done or no scufs or dents".

22-03-2011 10:56pm

Well if he's unsure of the belt status I take it he's not offering a 3 month warranty on it so effectively he's not in the trade really, or at least you won't be enjoying the benefit. Sounds a right clown, if I was ever to flog cars on a regular basis I'd be getting fresh t belts on any 4 cylinder stuff that hadn't it done and documented. Anything that was expensive belt wise and due a belt wouldn't find it's way into my stock list.

milehip1 · 22-03-2011 11:02pm

faw1tytowers wrote: »

This is what he said which i thought was completely useless....

"Hi , no service history car brought from uk last year, im in trades so i dont

know is the timing belt was done or no scufs or dents".

'me rite anglish gud'

To be fair the guy sounds well dodge,
but if you're really into the car get a trusted mechanic to check it out and do a background check, although I'm not too sure how easy that is with an import.

faw1tytowers · 22-03-2011 11:10pm

Lol I defo dont think I want to deal with this fella! Its a private sale I presumed as its on donedeal. But lol he doesnt really sound too bothered about selling it lol. Only 43,000 on clock and its a renault who reccomend 60,000 which is why i asked about that. A garage would ofcourse do it for ya. But this guy has no info at all... Just had nct this month which caught my eye and pics in gr8 nick..

Seems I am having real bad luck of late trying to buy a decent car!

milehip1 · 22-03-2011 11:36pm

If its up on donedeal as a private deal and hes operating as a dealer I think you report him.(not sure if such a exists on donedeal)
also if its a Reanult wouldnt go near it anyway!

faw1tytowers · 23-03-2011 5:11pm

milehip1 wrote: »

If its up on donedeal as a private deal and hes operating as a dealer I think you report him.(not sure if such a exists on donedeal)
also if its a Reanult wouldnt go near it anyway!

Have seen pics on donedeal that are obviously car show room pics. But anyway he says he is just someone who buys cars and sells them on.... Funny how he doesnt know how to check if belt was done though... Guess Ill have to have a check for myself.

Anan1 · 23-03-2011 5:17pm

faw1tytowers wrote: »

Funny how he doesnt know how to check if belt was done though... Guess Ill have to have a check for myself.

The car has no service history. Unless you can somehow locate the SH you need to assume that the car is clocked and that the TB needs doing immediately. I'd advise you to forget about this one.

faw1tytowers · 23-03-2011 5:27pm

Anan1 wrote: »

The car has no service history. Unless you can somehow locate the SH you need to assume that the car is clocked and that the TB needs doing immediately. I'd advise you to forget about this one.

No service history cos it came from uk. It just got a clean NCT for 2013 and I plan on doing a UK motorcheck on it before I decide anything.

2005, 43,000 miles and go the price down to 3,500... seems good to me if I can get some Proof fro the UK check.

stevenmu · 23-03-2011 5:32pm

Coming from the UK is not a good reason to not have a service history.

23-03-2011 5:34pm

faw1tytowers wrote: »

Funny how he doesnt know how to check if belt was done though... Guess Ill have to have a check for myself.

How do you intend checking was the belt done or not?

Gumbo · 23-03-2011 6:07pm

faw1tytowers wrote: »

Only 43,000 on clock and its a renault who reccomend 60,000 which is why i asked about that. A garage would ofcourse do it for ya.

forgetting about the other issues with this car sale, why would a garage change a belt on a car priced so low 20,000 miles before its due?

keysersoze0330 · 23-03-2011 6:10pm

Just walk away.

faw1tytowers · 23-03-2011 6:23pm

kceire wrote: »

forgetting about the other issues with this car sale, why would a garage change a belt on a car priced so low 20,000 miles before its due?

I was simply asking had anything been done with it. Its not under priced, Its a fair price for a private sale especially for an import. And any car I have bought at that price have always done the basic timing belt water pump change. On this car as you say its not needed yet but the other garages I was dealing with were willing to do it. Seen as I do 20,000+ a year I would save me having to do it this year. So sure I would ask for anything extra I can get!

faw1tytowers · 23-03-2011 6:27pm

stevenmu wrote: »

Coming from the UK is not a good reason to not have a service history.

Yes I realise that. and I will get a uk car check done on this. This guy just seems to be a guy who buys and sells for what he can for profit, not a mechanic or dealer. Saves me the bother of importing, not all that many cars have SH so I will get a check and if that is unfruitful then I will leave it be.

-Corkie- · 23-03-2011 6:54pm

Everybody forgot to tell you is the mileage genuine.. I would check that first..

faw1tytowers · 23-03-2011 7:03pm

-Corkie- wrote: »

Everybody forgot to tell you is the mileage genuine.. I would check that first..

ofcourse that will come with the motor check

There are alot of Scenics out there with low mileage. I find it bizzare as I do so many miles. I presume it is a bit of a second car for most.

btw Corkie the last car checked out for the mileage but I was a little concerned over a no tax period, they are still trying to find out some more info for me which is great. Hopefully one of these cars will check out this week as my current ride is leaving this weekend.

dirtydiesel · 23-03-2011 7:15pm

Anyone buying and selling cars, like this guy is, should either be a mechanic or have a decent mechanical knowledge of vehicles, otherwise he shouldn't be doing it.
A decent seller would of inspected that car and if no info is available on the timing belt having been replaced, then he would replace it before selling it on.
The fact that no SH exists could well be that the seller is hiding something and doesn't want a buyer to know the true history.
Low mileage cars do exist but that can only be backed up by a full service history IMO.

faw1tytowers · 23-03-2011 8:30pm

dirtydiesel wrote: »

Anyone buying and selling cars, like this guy is, should either be a mechanic or have a decent mechanical knowledge of vehicles, otherwise he shouldn't be doing it.
A decent seller would of inspected that car and if no info is available on the timing belt having been replaced, then he would replace it before selling it on.
The fact that no SH exists could well be that the seller is hiding something and doesn't want a buyer to know the true history.
Low mileage cars do exist but that can only be backed up by a full service history IMO.

I do agree, that is why I will do a history check via motorcheck and see what comes up. If not enough to satisfy me I will probably pass. I am curretnly looking at 2 cars one from a dealer and this one both similar miles but neither have a SH unfortunatly but beautiful looking cars. Shame they are so far or I would have my own mechanic have a look too. Dont really want to spent any more money on an external company checking it. there wil lbe other cars I know. It jsut happens to be my last week with current car so I am in a bit of a hurry with it and trying ot make sure I dont miss a trick.

mytime · 23-03-2011 8:58pm

kceire wrote: »

forgetting about the other issues with this car sale, why would a garage change a belt on a car priced so low 20,000 miles before its due?

The belt may be due now as the time has been reached before the mileage, ie 6 years or 60,000 miles which ever comes first

faw1tytowers · 23-03-2011 9:45pm

mytime wrote: »

The belt may be due now as the time has been reached before the mileage, ie 6 years or 60,000 miles which ever comes first

Thanks for that wasnt aware of that rule. I will certainly be pushing for such so if I decide on it.

Anan1 · 23-03-2011 10:53pm

faw1tytowers wrote: »

ofcourse that will come with the motor check

No it won't, an HPI will only tell you of a recorded mileage discrepancy. That car most likely lost its SH over the side of the ferry because it's been clocked. I'd strongly advise you to trust our experience on this one and walk away. If you do decide to go ahead anyway then be sure to run a full HPI, giving all details including the V5 serial number and issue date, and have the car professionally examined for repaired accident damage before handing over any money. You'll also have to budget to do the TB immediately.

faw1tytowers · 23-03-2011 11:08pm

Anan1 wrote: »

No it won't, an HPI will only tell you of a recorded mileage discrepancy. That car most likely lost its SH over the side of the ferry because it's been clocked. I'd strongly advise you to trust our experience on this one and walk away. If you do decide to go ahead anyway then be sure to run a full HPI, giving all details including the V5 serial number and issue date, and have the car professionally examined for repaired accident damage before handing over any money. You'll also have to budget to do the TB immediately.

It was the full HPI which comes when you do a full motorcheck. I was intending on doing as I did with the other car. And yes I am taking on board all you are saying and have since been looking for cars with SH. The full check will also give details of the UK history.

Anan1 · 23-03-2011 11:20pm

faw1tytowers wrote: »

The full check will also give details of the UK history.

If only it did. Unfortunately, the only ways to track down a missing SH are through previous owners, the dealer network or the garages who did the servicing. HPI will have mileage records from MOT and the like, but, like their insurance claim records, they can only tell you what was recorded. On that subject, here's a cautionary little story. I wrote off a Subaru in May 2008, my ins co paid out in full, and I bought another car. A year later, I ran a check on the written-off car and it came back clean. Checks are always worthwhile, but they only form part of the picture.

faw1tytowers · 23-03-2011 11:25pm

Anan1 wrote: »

If only it did. Unfortunately, the only ways to track down a missing SH are through previous owners, the dealer network or the garages who did the servicing. HPI will have mileage records from MOT and the like, but, like their insurance claim records, they can only tell you what was recorded. On that subject, here's a cautionary little story. I wrote off a Subaru in May 2008, my ins co paid out in full, and I bought another car. A year later, I ran a check on the written-off car and it came back clean. Checks are always worthwhile, but they only form part of the picture.

Ah yes I see your point. Yes I am more and more put off this import. However the kind ppl at motorcheck are trying to track down any previous owner on the other car to verify the check I had on that. But yeah to be honest all day today I have looked at cars with SH and well I will work from there and hope for the best.

newmug · 23-03-2011 11:31pm

You'd be mad to touch it. Sure even at 10,000miles a year, there should be at least 60K on this yoke. If it was so good, I'd be making damn sure I had the SH when I'd be selling it if I was yerman! He's just a cowboy, dont go near it.

faw1tytowers · 23-03-2011 11:34pm

newmug wrote: »

You'd be mad to touch it. Sure even at 10,000miles a year, there should be at least 60K on this yoke. If it was so good, I'd be making damn sure I had the SH when I'd be selling it if I was yerman! He's just a cowboy, dont go near it.

Defo sounds like it, the emails I am getting are so vague and drips and drags. He actually told me to do a motor check when I asked for VRT reciept or MOT certs. So ya its all a bit weird. Ive bought plenty of cars in my time and this guy has to be the most least interested in selling a car ever.

Thanks everyone I guess I did need a good telling here!

Wildly Boaring · 23-03-2011 11:51pm

Is it all email? With english like "trades"?

Has the ad a phone number?

Screaming scam to me

faw1tytowers · 24-03-2011 12:00am

scanlone wrote: »

Is it all email? With english like "trades"?

Has the ad a phone number?

Screaming scam to me

Yeah there is a number but I personally like to email first so I can get all the info.... In this case I got none lol. I can only imagine what he would be like on the phone.

johnos1984 · 24-03-2011 12:42am

Can we have a link to the ad?

And for what its worth, if everyone is telling you to walk away and a little voice in your head is telling you to do all these checks on the car somewhere deep down you know you should walk away.

faw1tytowers · 24-03-2011 10:16am

This is the import and he was willing to let it go for 3,500
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1957990

Curiously it is not the only one like it on done deal for under 4,000

I am now looking at a 2004 with full SH from renault garage good nick low miles cartell check done already only thing bothering me is 1.4 engine

and no give on the asking 4,000. Would of loved a sun roof too... But I guess I get what I am paying for.. Right? Sound better to ye..

bazz26 · 24-03-2011 10:34am

A few more:

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=201105201087478
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=201105201103768
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=201108201369222

faw1tytowers · 24-03-2011 10:54am

bazz26 wrote: »

A few more:

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=201105201087478
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=201105201103768
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=201108201369222

The one in Gorey is the first one I was worried about and still awaiting a bit more info from motorcheck. It was offroad for a bit on 2007. This is my all favourite though.

Saw the others allright but I dont want to go over the 4,000 mark but I may go for a haggle. Thanks Baz I appreciate that.

Anan1 · 24-03-2011 11:03am

Here's a one owner private sale with FRSH: http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=201101200788125

They're asking €4450, but you might well get them down to 3500 or close. I'd be inclined to start by finding the right car, and then focus on getting it for the right price.

faw1tytowers · 24-03-2011 12:04pm

Anan1 wrote: »

Here's a one owner private sale with FRSH: http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=201101200788125

They're asking €4450, but you might well get them down to 3500 or close. I'd be inclined to start by finding the right car, and then focus on getting it for the right price.

Serious you reckon I could haggle that much for a car. tbh I really would like a 1.6 but thats jsut cos i liked y old 1.6 i have never driven the 1.4 and so worry it may be like draggin a sack of spuds? But wow I am amazed with that! I never saw that site before either that you and Baz are using... so I best have a good look now.

I am learning alot here! really appreciate it.

Anan1 · 24-03-2011 1:41pm

I haven't driven the 1.4 either so I couldn't advise you on that - maybe other people have? Re price - at the end of the day, those people want to get as much as possible for their car, but they do want to sell it. I've no idea what they'll take, but a few weeks of staring at a silent telephone is enough to make most sellers reassess their price. Maybe ring them, and if they sound genuine go out and have a look and a drive? People are generally a lot more inclined towards flexibility once they've met you and liked you.

What does he mean.. trades?

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