Help - car still registered to me...

lastsaturday

hey folks,

in 2004 i sold a classic car to someone claiming to be a dealer. he asked me if he could send the change of ownership details in on my behalf, when he sold the car on. being niave and happy with the cash, i agreed.

last week i recieved a penalty from eflow saying that the car registered in my name failed to pay the toll. this is the car i sold 7 years ago...

i spoke to the VRO and garda, and they said i need to know the details of the new owner before they can change the ownership and move me to a previous owner status... 7 years is a long time, and i have no idea who i sold the car to now..

so i got a declaration of change of ownership form, which i need to fill out in front of a commissioner for oaths, but the form is all about the new owners details..

what do i do? anyone have this happen to them before? what i'm really worried about is speeding fines, points etc, which could all end up on my licence if this guys carries on driving the car...

thanks,

last

Dades

Can you not remember anything, or dig anything out about the guy? Even a phone number?

What is the car? someone might be able to place it and you could track him down that way.

Have you not been getting tax demands?

lastsaturday

hi Dades, thanks for the response..

nope, I've not received a thing from the tax office, garda, etc in 7 years.. i thought the car was gone to be honest.

the car is a 1980, so i am thinking he may have stored it for a while, or only used it very little, while he waited for the 30 year mark to come up.

i dont really want to give any specific details of the issue here, as it's uncontrolled. with regards to the guys name, all i remember is his surname, which stood out at the time.

lastsaturday

actually, seeing as the car is still in my name, i guess it's ok to put up a few pics..

anyone know this car, or it's current whereabouts? hopefully it's in as good a condition as when i sold it...

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Snake_Doctor

This is tricky. same happened to me a few years back, although not a classic. I got a call from the guards in Killarney to tell me to remove the car, as it was abandoned. they left me in no doubt as to that I was reponsible for it. I would contact a solicitor to see where you stand.

Dades

I reckon it's been laid up for a bit too.
Maybe he'll register the new ownership now he's in the market for €48 tax. :pac:

Can't be too many blue 928's with checked interior about, I'd have thought.


Can you get eFlow to send you the toll pic to verify it was your car - you might be able to see the driver?!!

-Chris-

How is it possible that the car is still registered to you, at your address, and yet you haven't received a single motor tax reminder form in the last 7 years?

That's seems incredibly strange.

Sids Not

Seeing as its still "your" car..its a pity you didnt report it stolen and get it back..;)

a_v525

Get it back as its still in your name & I'll buy it off you!!!!

Please???

hplp

well if the eflow is €3, might it be a idea to pay that and then deal with the change of ownership seperately?

This would mean that you wouldnt have the hastle of eflow trying to get money out of you seperately which very quickly goes up and up in money.

I have no idea how to sort out the ownership problem im afraid as the guards are not being that helpful.

H

lastsaturday

Sids Not wrote: »

Seeing as its still "your" car..its a pity you didnt report it stolen and get it back..;)

believe me, i've given it some serious thought

lastsaturday

hplp wrote: »

well if the eflow is €3, might it be a idea to pay that and then deal with the change of ownership seperately?

This would mean that you wouldnt have the hastle of eflow trying to get money out of you seperately which very quickly goes up and up in money.

I have no idea how to sort out the ownership problem im afraid as the guards are not being that helpful.

H

yup, i paid it and am taking the change of ownership up separately. just hope he's not a regular commuter now..

unkel

lastsaturday wrote: »

anyone know this car, or it's current whereabouts?

I reckon there's only 2 "G" reg 928s in the country and the other one is mine

Sure, we'll all keep a look out. I'm actually surprised the Gardai can't / won't find out who is the current owner. It would be easy enough if they could access insurance details, surely? Or maybe it's not insured? Yikes...

lastsaturday

what i'm hoping is the current owner has had it laid up and only brought it out for shows and track days, etc. and that he has genuinely no idea the car is still in my name..and has a garage insurance policy (?)

anyone in the porsche club, or similar car clubs, seen a blue 928 lurking at mondello, or at events at all?

Gene Hunt

Now that you sorted e-flow if I were you I'd send a letter to Shannon stating that you sold the car to someone in a different country and the car has been exported and you have given the new owner the v5 or logbook so they can register the car in their country.
That is all you can do now really, keeps you in the clear as they remove it off their system......as to what the fella driving around in it's going to do when he comes to putting her road legal that's his problem ,he didn't think of you when he's runnin the country in it.
From experience that is what I did......it's exported!

-Chris-

lastsaturday wrote: »

what i'm hoping is the current owner has had it laid up and only brought it out for shows and track days, etc. and that he has genuinely no idea the car is still in my name..and has a garage insurance policy (?)

anyone in the porsche club, or similar car clubs, seen a blue 928 lurking at mondello, or at events at all?

I'll bet that's what it is!

It's been off the road & trailered to track days, shows etc. That's why there's never been an issue with Motor tax and eFlow.

Recently they put in rear number plate facing cameras (to catch people who were tailgating other vehicles so as not to have their no. plate read).
Soooo.... a car that's on a trailer, that used to be ignored because the front plate couldn't be read, is now being caught by the rear facing camera.

Ask for a photo of the car and see if it's on a trailer. If it is you might also be able to make out the reg of the towing vehicle and you'll be one step closer to tracking the new owner.

Redrocket

report it stolen, 7 years ago, you only just noticed

lastsaturday

LIGHTNING wrote: »

I normally go the the track days in Mondello for the Porsche days and I have never seen it. In fact their arent a huge amount of 928`s at the track days (must be those lazy autoboxes:))

thanks lightning, fyi it's a manual... dogleg and all. i threw it round mondello a few times and it handled pretty well.. the v8 was pretty sweet.

god, i'm really beginning to miss it now

Bitten & Hisses

Gene Hunt wrote: »

Now that you sorted e-flow if I were you I'd send a letter to Shannon stating that you sold the car to someone in a different country and the car has been exported and you have given the new owner the v5 or logbook so they can register the car in their country.
That is all you can do now really, keeps you in the clear as they remove it off their system......as to what the fella driving around in it's going to do when he comes to putting her road legal that's his problem ,he didn't think of you when he's runnin the country in it.
From experience that is what I did......it's exported!

There's a little bit more to it then "Sending a letter" to Shannon. It needs to be an affadavit witnessed by a Commissioner for Oaths. I did this previously and the bloody thing was still registered in my name afterwards.

Top Dog

-Chris- wrote: »

Recently they put in rear number plate facing cameras (to catch people who were tailgating other vehicles so as not to have their no. plate read).
Soooo.... a car that's on a trailer, that used to be ignored because the front plate couldn't be read, is now being caught by the rear facing camera

Slightly off-topic - but I'm curious so I'm going to ask.

Does the above mean that if someone is towing a car on a transporter on the M50 now that they could get caught for double toll fees? One for the motor towing, and one for the motor on the transporter?

-Chris-

Not definite, but it would certainly make sense (or not, as the case may be ).

Sids Not

Top Dog wrote: »

Slightly off-topic - but I'm curious so I'm going to ask.

Does the above mean that if someone is towing a car on a transporter on the M50 now that they could get caught for double toll fees? One for the motor towing, and one for the motor on the transporter?

..and possibly one for the trailer too.....:p

charlie1966

A trailer should have the same reg as the car towing it and to be sure cover the reg of the car on the trailer. Problem solved.

Sids Not

charlie1966 wrote: »

A trailer should have the same reg as the car towing it and to be sure cover the reg of the car on the trailer. Problem solved.

How many times i've seen the opposite...:rolleyes:

professore

Maybe it was a misreading of the plate by the camera? It does happen.

mustang68

professore wrote: »

Maybe it was a misreading of the plate by the camera? It does happen.

That's a real possibility, I've had it happen to me a few times, I was out of the country with the keys of my car with me and I got a bill for going though the toll bridge. My daily driver has a few 8's and 0's which could be easily misread.

I've also seen a taxi with some black tape on his reg to turn one number into another, I guess for that reason.

lastsaturday

professore wrote: »

Maybe it was a misreading of the plate by the camera? It does happen.

unfortunately, the car is definitely registered to me.. garda confirmed it.. no outstanding fines, or penalties yet, thankfully.

just waiting on the pic from e-flow, before i make the next decision.

rodneys

report it as scrapped, then when he tries to do anything,sell,tax or insure think of the "fun" He'll have and then you can

lastsaturday

thats a good idea rodney.. i'll save it as last resort, as i'd hate to sentence the car to the crusher.. but if i can't get it sorted, that's where it's going

ted1

check to see if it's insured with any one. Legally it can only ad insured in your name.

Top Dog

ted1 wrote: »

check to see if it's insured with any one. Legally it can only ad insured in your name.

I'm guessing you meant "be" and not "ad" - but either way your information is incorrect. You can insure any vehicle, whether its registered to you or not. Though if its not registered to you then you have to have whats called "insurable interest" in the vehicle.

Sids Not

lastsaturday wrote: »

thats a good idea rodney.. i'll save it as last resort, as i'd hate to sentence the car to the crusher.. but if i can't get it sorted, that's where it's going

Think you'd need to return the log book for that...otherwise anyone could do it...hence there being more log books than actual cars in the country...;);)

lastsaturday

Sids Not wrote: »

Think you'd need to return the log book for that...otherwise anyone could do it...hence there being more log books than actual cars in the country...;);)

do you not think i could order a replacement log book, seeing as i am still the registered owner? that way i can scrap it and send the book back in? for the sake of €20 or whatever the replacement cost is, it's a small price to pay for peace of mind..

MercMad

lastsaturday wrote: »

do you not think i could order a replacement log book, seeing as i am still the registered owner? that way i can scrap it and send the book back in? for the sake of €20 or whatever the replacement cost is, it's a small price to pay for peace of mind..

............thats probably your best bet. Do you have any idea who now owns it ? Could you look it up, perhaps his surname and area ? Otherwise you'd have to get replacement docs and ask them what else you need for permanent export ?

Personally I think the Gardai could be a bit more helpful to you, and I think they could probably find who the insurer is.

It does seem odd that you've had no Tax reminders, as mentioned already AND I would say its most likely it is being used by someone with trade plates until its 30th birthday arrived.

Top Dog

lastsaturday wrote: »

do you not think i could order a replacement log book, seeing as i am still the registered owner? that way i can scrap it and send the book back in? for the sake of €20 or whatever the replacement cost is, it's a small price to pay for peace of mind..

Don't think you can scrap a car these days without a cert of destruction - and AFAIK any company that can issue one of these certs will want the shell with the chassis number printed on it to crush.

hi5

Trade insurance does not require a registration number.

GerardKeating

lastsaturday wrote: »

do you not think i could order a replacement log book, seeing as i am still the registered owner? that way i can scrap it and send the book back in? for the sake of €20 or whatever the replacement cost is, it's a small price to pay for peace of mind..

It only cost €12 and takes a two/three days.

beanderb4

man that car was beautiful.

why did you sell it - particularly after getting the heads done!!

get the car back - i'll buy it off you and you can keep the volvo!!:D

hope the head is well after lastsaturday night out.:cool:

Cheers.

Means Of Escape

Not too sure about claiming that the car was stolen is a good idea as you might have a lawsuit knocking on your door die slander by the present owner
Get down to your solicitor and pay him a couple of bob to draft a letter stating that you sold the car with that registration 7 years ago. Bang it off to the Dept of transport and let them make a note of it.
Keep a copy of the letter yourself
did the guy not ask for a receipt given that I am sure that he didn't pay 200 euros for the car?!?
With the government hungry for cash the gardai are clamping down on car tax evaders so in time he will get nabbed and when he has to tax the car he might have to pay arrears given that the car should be flagged having received your letter
he has a headache a comin

mattroche

I think if you can get to the Dept. Of Transport in Shannon, and explain to them your problem, they will be able to advise you. In relation to Road Tax, I bougth a Volvo recently, and it had not been Taxed since 1992 (30 Years). The Dept still had the records of it. So much for the clampdown on road tax offenders

macplaxton

Thoughtful of you to reply mattroche, but this thread is over a year old now.

mattroche

Oooppps, I did not look at the year, Sorry.

jimmyw

In before this thread is closed.Maybe its still not sorted:D