Will the state ever say "no" to taking a kid for adoption?

Coriolanus

Just wondering like, does the State just take any and all babies that people don't want? What about kids? Up to what age can you give the child up?

No real reason for asking. My gf isn't preggers or anything. Just idle curiosity.

AnonoBoy

Are you thinking of giving yourself up for adoption?

Might be a good way to save on rent.

Seaneh

no, the state would never refuse a child given for adoption. Especially with how long waiting lists are here (up to 8 years +).

easyeason3

How many women would give a child up for adoption these days?
I'd be interested to know the statistics on the figures.

I'd hear about a woman in her fifties or sixties having to give a child up for adoption but I don't know of anyone or heard of anyone who has done it.

danh789

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Are you thinking of giving yourself up for adoption?

Might be a good way to save on rent.

FYP

AnonoBoy

easyeason3 wrote: »

How many women would give a child up for adoption these days?
I'd be interested to know the statistics on the figures.

I'd hear about a woman in her fifties or sixties having to give a child up for adoption but I don't know of anyone or heard of anyone who has done it.

I know a couple of people who were planning to do it but changed their mind. One changed her mind about 8 months in and the other changed her mind very soon after the birth.

I suppose the stigma of being a single mother isn't what it used to be so there's less pressure on Irish women to give up children. So I imagine very few women in Ireland give up their kids for adoption any more.

Most Irish people who adopt end up with children born in other countries these days don't they?

geeky

AFAIK, one can voluntarily sign kids over into state care up until they're 18. They'd be unlikely to go for adoption, though - they'd enter the foster care system, where they might end up in a long-term foster placement that works, and both child and carer could then try to put an adoption through. There's no guarantee that would happen, of course - there aren't nearly enough foster carers around, and far more kids than most people realise. The chances of a long-term placement happening, though, are greater if it's clear that the parent isn't going to fight the long-term care order. Aside from that, hardly any domestic adoptions happen anymore.

bonerm

geeky wrote: »

AFAIK, one can voluntarily sign kids over into state care up until they're 18.

Don't suppose there is a pound/adoption-shop anywhere that specialises in hot 17 year old schoolgirls? That'd be convenient and cheap.

Jesus Wept

Nevore wrote: »

Just wondering like, does the State just take any and all babies that people don't want? What about kids? Up to what age can you give the child up?

No real reason for asking. My gf isn't preggers or anything. Just idle curiosity.

Here is something interesting in our wonderful country...

If you are married, you can't give your baby/child up for adoption.

AnonoBoy

danh789 wrote: »

FYP

Good to see that the 100 euro your mother spent sending you to the 'How to Recognise When Someone is Making a Joke' class wasn't wasted.

You should be very proud of yourself.

Here's a lollipop!

ToniTuddle

How many kids are waiting to be adopted in Ireland anyway?

Seems Irish folks go abroad to get a baby or young kid instead, it must be easier that way...but why if we have plenty kids here needing adopting? Like what's stopping them?

AnonoBoy

ToniTuddle wrote: »

How many kids are waiting to be adopted in Ireland anyway?

Seems Irish folks go abroad to get a baby or young kid instead, it must be easier that way...but why if we have plenty kids here needing adopting? Like what's stopping them?

There aren't many Irish children waiting to be adopted is the issue I believe.

Seaneh

ToniTuddle wrote: »

How many kids are waiting to be adopted in Ireland anyway?

Seems Irish folks go abroad to get a baby or young kid instead, it must be easier that way...but why if we have plenty kids here needing adopting? Like what's stopping them?

My uncle and his wife have adopted two girls. One from ireland and one from russia.
Adopting from ireland took something like 8 years between application and taking my cousin Sophie home for the first time.


Adopting from Russia took less than 18 months from application and taking my cousin Nicola home from Russia for good. And cost less than half as much.



If I was adopting, I'd probably do it from overseas.

ToniTuddle

Seaneh wrote: »

My uncle and his wife have adopted two girls. One from ireland and one from russia.
Adopting from ireland took something like 8 years between application and taking my cousin Sophie home for the first time.
Adopting from Russia took less than 18 months from application and taking my cousin Nicola home from Russia for good. And cost less than half as much.

How the hell does it take 8 years! :eek:
That's an insane amount of time.
No wonder folks go abroad.

brokenhinge

Yeah, up to 18 as far as I know, but what parents would willingly give up their kids.

If you did think your (non-baby)children would be better off, I'd say social services would be after you anyways- abuse, poverty, drink or drugs

Originally Posted by Seaneh
My uncle and his wife have adopted two girls. One from ireland and one from russia.
Adopting from ireland took something like 8 years between application and taking my cousin Sophie home for the first time.
Adopting from Russia took less than 18 months from application and taking my cousin Nicola home from Russia for good. And cost less than half as much.

There's a massive waiting list to adopt babies and young children, not at all for older ones-everyone wants the kid from day 1ish-so more likely they'd be stuck in foster homes.. If they adopted the Irish girl as a baby/toddler, that's the main reason for the delay I'd say..

FesterBeatty

Nevore wrote: »

Just wondering like, .

...GRRR

policarp

Why would someone give a child up for adoption?
They would lose out on child benefit, rent allowance, medical card, maintenance from the father etc....

chucken1

Nevore wrote: »

Just wondering like, does the State just take any and all babies that people don't want? What about kids?

As in baby goats??

Coriolanus

chucken1 wrote: »

Nevore wrote: »

Just wondering like, does the State just take any and all babies that people don't want? What about kids?

As in baby goats??

If its good enough for the oxford English dictionary its good enough for me.

Squirm

I work in child protection where I see many, many children handed over to State care, generally on a voluntary care order. They relinquish their custodial rights but retain the right to remove the child from State care at any time and under any circumstances, even, for example, if the child has been living with a loving foster family for some time.

Generally children given up voluntarily are not received into State care on a full care order but rather, this will be sought, over time, if an adoptive family are found or if the birth family look for access but are found to be a danger to the child. However, if a person is adament that they do not want their child, there are provisions in place that allow the parent to give them to the State up until they are 18. The State will provide for them until they turn 18 (usually) or until they leave full-time education.

The majority of children that are given up (and there are many) are older children or children demonstrating behavioural issues that make them undesirable to their families at that time.

I know of a handful of babies who have been born to children in State care, who have been removed from their mothers at the time of the birth (due to the mother being unfit to parent at the time) and placed into foster care. These foster carers regularly seek to adopt but the birth parent must consent and regularly do not. It is not unheard of though, so this is one way babies enter the Irish adoptive system.

I think it is quite unusual in this day and age for women to get pregnant and decide to carry the child full term and then proceed with a closed adoption. It does happen though, as a previous poster mentioned.

RichieC

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Most Irish people who adopt end up with children born in other countries these days don't they?

DIRK A DER!

TequilaMockingBird

Squirm wrote: »

I know of a handful of babies who have been born to children in State care, who have been removed from their mothers at the time of the birth (due to the mother being unfit to parent at the time) and placed into foster care.

Are these babies given up voluntarily, or is it standard practice to remove them?

Coriolanus

TequilaMockingBird wrote: »

Are these babies given up voluntarily, or is it standard practice to remove them?

I'd imagine its,determined by tge courts. Troubled 15 yo gets pregnant etc...