Another NCT question re logbook !

Darsad

Been told the NCT operators changed last year and that the new crowd are sticklers . Have my car booked in for next thursday but I cant find the logbook or licencing cert whatever its called these days and it says on the booking that you need it anyone know if my insurance cert and possession of the car will do. Cant remember when i last had the cert as i always tax online and deffo didnt have it at the last NCT .

kermitpwee

You don't need the logbook, you will need ID such as your driving licence etc. It doesnt matter if its not your car, all they want is ID. Trust me I have brought in a good few cars in the last 4 weeks and checked out the sitiuation with the nct, Bring ID and you will be fine,

CiniO

kermitpwee wrote: »

You don't need the logbook, you will need ID such as your driving licence etc. It doesnt matter if its not your car, all they want is ID. Trust me I have brought in a good few cars in the last 4 weeks and checked out the sitiuation with the nct, Bring ID and you will be fine,

The rules say clearly there has to be a logbook.
Of course some NCT centres might not adhere to it, but claiming that this is 100% is bit stupid.

kermitpwee

CiniO wrote: »

The rules say clearly there has to be a logbook.
Of course some NCT centres might not adhere to it, but claiming that this is 100% is bit stupid.

Hold on here a second, nothing I have said is stupid, your claim is stupid. I know the facts, you DON'T need the registration cert to test the car. From the 1st of January 2010 the only required item needed is a form of ID. The reason I know this as i have clarified the issue with the NCTS on more then one occasion. I am correct there is nothing stupid about what I have said, I dont post on here based on hearsay. Ring the NCTS tomorrow if you want.

kermitpwee

I have looked online at the NCTS and I do see that it does say in a footnote that dont forget to bring the logbook but it is not in the main 10 points for preparing for the test. The NCTS have told me that it is not needed for the test and you will not be refused if you don't have the logbook. The ID however is compulsory.

CiniO

Quotation from ROAD TRAFFIC (NATIONAL CAR TEST) REGULATIONS 2009

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2009/en/si/0567.html

5. Where an application is made for a test, the issuing authority may refuse to carry out the test or a re-test—


(a) on a vehicle in respect of which prior application for an appointment for the test or re-test had not been made,


(b) where the appropriate fee under Regulation 6 has not been paid in respect of a test certificate,


(c) where the owner or the driver of the vehicle to be tested fails to produce the vehicle registration book, vehicle registration certificate or vehicle licensing certificate in respect of the vehicle at the time of test or re-test,


(d) where the vehicle identification number of the vehicle to be tested as shown on the vehicle registration book, vehicle registration certificate or vehicle licensing certificate, whichever is produced, is not the same as that on the vehicle,


(e) where the issuing authority considers that the vehicle to be tested is in such a condition that it would not be safe or practicable to carry out the test or re-test, or


(f) where the person who presents the vehicle to be tested fails to produce the required identification.

kermitpwee as you can see, test centre are lawfully allowed to refuse to carry out the test if there is no registration cert produced.

You wrote:

Hold on here a second, nothing I have said is stupid, your claim is stupid

My claim isn't stupid as it's 100% right. Above regulations prove it.

I know the facts, you DON'T need the registration cert to test the car. From the 1st of January 2010 the only required item needed is a form of ID.

Again, as you can see in above regulation, that's not true.

The reason I know this as i have clarified the issue with the NCTS on more then one occasion. I am correct there is nothing stupid about what I have said, I dont post on here based on hearsay. Ring the NCTS tomorrow if you want.

I don't need to ring them.
I believe, in most cases they will do the test even without reg cert. But there is nothing that can stop them to refuse to do it, without reg cert.


It's just your statement was like you are 100% sure is not required.
The correct answer is:
- It is required according to NCTS website.
- NCTS might refuse to carry out the test if you don't provide reg cert.
- We know in most cases they don't bother with it, and do the test even without reg. cert.


That's 100% correct information.

200motels

I have my car in for test in a few weeks and the only way I can open the bonnet is with a vice grips will it fail?

kermitpwee

First of in that statute it says that the issuing authority MAY refuse to carry out the test. The word May is the key here, they are not compelled to not carry out the test. The NCTS have told me that they have sent a memo to all testing centres telling them that the only documentation required to sit the test is a form of ID. This is the protocol that the NCTS has set it is their decision.

You claim that I am wrong and that you are right. Well you are right in that they having been given the power that they MAY refuse(they have been given the power to by the state) a test if you don't have your logbook. I am correct in saying that they wont refuse a test as I have discussed this with the NCTS and they are operating (and are entitled to under the act) a policy of only requiring ID. Your information is not 100% correct as you do not know all the information.

You are 100% correct on the legislation but I have the insight of the NCTS who are entitled under the act not to request a logbook under the act.

The op asked did they need a logbook to test their car, I told them that they didn't, I told them that all they needed was ID. I was 100% correct in what I said. I would not advise someone unless I was correct. You have questioned the validity of my statements, I feel I have clarified the issue beyond debate.

Gabbo57

You will NOT be refused a test if you don't have your vehicle registration cert with you, but you will be asked for it.

But do bring it with you if you have it because it allows the guys on the desk to verify your chassis number and other information before the test!

CiniO

kermitpwee wrote: »

First of in that statute it says that the issuing authority MAY refuse to carry out the test. The word May is the key here, they are not compelled to not carry out the test. The NCTS have told me that they have sent a memo to all testing centres telling them that the only documentation required to sit the test is a form of ID. This is the protocol that the NCTS has set it is their decision.

You claim that I am wrong and that you are right. Well you are right in that they having been given the power that they MAY refuse(they have been given the power to by the state) a test if you don't have your logbook. I am correct in saying that they wont refuse a test as I have discussed this with the NCTS and they are operating (and are entitled to under the act) a policy of only requiring ID. Your information is not 100% correct as you do not know all the information.

You are 100% correct on the legislation but I have the insight of the NCTS who are entitled under the act not to request a logbook under the act.

The op asked did they need a logbook to test their car, I told them that they didn't, I told them that all they needed was ID. I was 100% correct in what I said. I would not advise someone unless I was correct. You have questioned the validity of my statements, I feel I have clarified the issue beyond debate.

I believe you are correct.
But if OP goes to the test centre without logbook and his car is refused to be tested, he can't do anything about it, as rules are clear here.

Nonoperational

Tested 4/5 cars over the past 3 yrs most recent one a few weeks ago. Never asked for or produced log book.

MagicSean

Just booked two cars in. Asked about the logbook and she said it is not needed on the day for the car to be tested but in some cases you may be asked to bring it in on a later date in order to get the cert.

kermitpwee

CiniO wrote: »

I believe you are correct.
But if OP goes to the test centre without logbook and his car is refused to be tested, he can't do anything about it, as rules are clear here.

At the moment the NCTS will test the car without the logbook so the op will not be refused a test. This is the most recent(in the last 10days) information I have, they have been adopting this procedure for quite some time now. Because 'may' (which imo is weak language, it allows the ncts to much leeway to make revenue on cars that could be ringed etc due to no proof of logbook been needed) is used in the legislation the NCTS are not looking for the logbook.

If the NCTS decide to change their policy and become more strict with the documentation( then again can they become more adherent when the law says 'may'? From a legal point of view they are compliant at the moment as their discretion is accounted for in the law) they would be legally entitled to look for the logbook to do the test.

I can only advise people on what the current information is, as it stands you don't need the logbook at the moment or in the immediate future.


Now what I am about to say now is my own opinion so dont take this as a fact! I am of the opinion that the NCTS will never look for the logbook unless some high profile case becomes apparent of some serious misdemeanour. Even if something did happen they would be possibly covered under the law as there is nothing definite about the langauage 'may.' Say for example the test a car without a logbook and pass it but it isn't actually the car that the plates say it is but its the same colour and spec etc. Would the NCTs be someway negligent here. I dont think they would as 'may' is in the law and also they cant be liable for the actions of others. This paragraph is my opinion I am in no way a legal expert.

200motels

OSI wrote: »

Most definitely

Thanks for that.

TestTransmission

I had my car tested 3 days ago and I was asked for the logbook

kermitpwee

TestTransmission wrote: »

I had my car tested 3 days ago and I was asked for the logbook

They must have thought you looked dodgy:D

TestTransmission

kermitpwee wrote: »

They must have thought you looked dodgy:D

Was probably the company I was in.. :pac:

oleras

I had mine a few weeks ago and was never asked for my log book, he did ask had i my drivers licence on me, i said yes, he said ok...never asked to see it...lol

Zxc

I had mine tested in the last week and was asked for both the registration document and driving licence.
I had both so I dont know if the test might have been refused without one or the other.
While waiting, I heard another man asked for his licence. He said he didn't have it. I dont think his test was refused. However, I know the man works with cars and was probably at the NCT centre frequently and probably known to the testers. Again, I dont know if this is/was a factor.